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It is us who voiced up made control centre appeared on iOS 7. It is also us made Apple changed the old UI which you and lots of people like. It is also us made Apple more open. Without voice up, you won't get control centre, you won't get all these things on iOS 7. We will probably stuck with old iOS 6 thing all over gain.

If everyone think if I don't like this and that, you can switch. Sure I can switch, some else can switch. What will happen in the end? Will Apple become next RIM if just follow if you don't like just switch?
Yup, it's totally "us" that made it all or even a part of it happen. It wasn't Apple themselves for whatever their own reasons are. Who is anyone kidding here?
 
I am not fanboy or remotely close to. But fanboyism going to be there anyway.

I have Android phone, which is good. I like large screen, I am not fan of constant zooming. But I keeping my iPhone around. I Also mainly using iPad mini and MacBook Air, Mac Mini and Hackintosh

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LOL... I don't know, Swype is good for one hand usability. It isn't really work well on tablet. It is useful when your second hand is unavailable... It is a good way to type relative fast.

But anyway my main point is that we should able to choose keyboard we like, not just limited to what is given

But think of it this way, if Apple made everything customizable..wouldnt it be just like another android? There has to be distinction. I wouldnt be happy if Apple made widgets and things accessible..because then it wouldnt be Apple anymore.
 
Yup, it's totally "us" that made it all or even a part of it happen. It wasn't Apple themselves for whatever their own reasons are. Who is anyone kidding here?

Control center probably is one of the most request thing over past few years. If it not users up roar, I don't think Apple will even think about it. Apple didn't do that for 6 years, what makes you think Apple. will do it by themselves?

Most of iOS 7 changes has been long asked from users, Apple will seriously loss more users if they chose to keep the old way.
 
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So much no. I can't explain how much of a pile of **** swype is.

I have to disagree. Swype is an awesome keyboard. It's fast and it's accurate and I so wish that I had it on my iPhone. It takes a bit of getting used to but once you do get used to it, it is hard going back to a regular touch type keyboard.
 
I agree w/ the OP. I want SOME of Android/WP8's features with Apple's devices and App Store. The only thing stopping me from switching is their App Store.

A file system is definitely a must, specially if Apple wants the iPad to be seen as an advanced creation device (the next-gen laptop). The way it's implemented today is that when you "share" a file with another app you're actually making a copy of the file. I'm not saying a hierarchical system should be used but simply a repository where files (Images, Audio, Video, Other) could be kept and that apps could have write/read access (with permission). It could be organized through file-type, tags, and which app created/downloaded the file.

By "app-comunication" I think the OP means that apps should be capable of integrating into iOS like Twitter/Apple/Linked-in have but without having to waist Apple's time. You have a Google+ account? Download the official or a third party app and witness the Share menu automatically include a "Post to Google+" option.
 
Control center probably is one of the most request thing over past few years. If it not users up roar, I don't think Apple will even think about it. Apple didn't do that for 6 years, what makes you think Apple. will do it by themselves?

Most of iOS 7 changes has been long asked from users, Apple will seriously loss more users if they chose to keep the old way.
The very fact that a feature that has been requested for years on end only made it to the OS in its 7th version (essentially at least 6 years down the line) is pretty much proof in itself that Apple decides what to bring to the OS and when to bring it (otherwise by the logic of what you are saying it would have been here at the very lest earlier if not even much earlier if Apple was truly "listenening" to "us" and cared).
 
I don't know how long before I give up iOS, I already switch from iPhone 4S to Nexus 4. The main reason for me keeping iPad is the 4:3 screen and tablet Apps. But the annoyances are truly annoying.

Then just get an android tablet and stop complaining about iOS, seems pretty simple to me..... if you dont like something, don't use it.
 
Simple. I want some app that is not on Android and there is no Android tablet makes me want to switch meaning because they are all 16:10 screen, simple is that.


Maybe you should get on Android Tablet Forum and complain about not being able to buy tablet having Screen size similar to iPad.

With your logic, if complaining about iOS should make Apple improve it, then I guess same logic will apply to Android, Samsung, BB, HTC, etc. Make sure you go and complain there, so others can improve as well. And also on BB forum and Samsung forum and so on….

Hallelujah, in few years we will have all the tablets, phones and iOS's performing exactly the same way, if all the companies were to satisfy every little annoyance from everyone !!!

But I suspect, we would still have someone whinging about everything being so perfect and boring….
 
You should look at some alternative products and spend your money on them. Sell the iPad 3 to someone that appreciates it.

I am very glad that iOS has not given in to the whole "widget" mess that plagues android. iOS is a much superior OS.
 
What is the point of this general rant here in the beta section? iOS is limited and closed down INTENTIONALLY, with stability, control and tight integration in mind.

I for one was an avid Android user, until I realized that i don't really need another (wannabe) computer in my pocket, with all it's problems. All I need is a stable smartphone that does a few things perfectly, not a thousand things half-assed.

Although I have Windows PC I never felt the need to browse files on my phone (WTF for, there are apps for everything). Or you could always jailbreak and have a true file browser if the need is so dire. Btw the equivalent "rooting" with Android usually voids your warranty and some devices are impossible to root due to locked bootloaders.

Also, the openness of Android has its serious drawbacks. Things like crashes, huge inconsistencies across the ecosystem, second grade apps, uncontrolled multitasking leading to some pretty bad battery life and system slowdown, if you aren't careful with what apps you leave open.

Also most of the free apps there choose the way of mass advertising to make some buck, since Android users aren't known for their paying habits. That means that they take advantage of the open system and push ads in your notification center and lockscreen without any identification where they come from. So if you installed 50 apps recently, you are in for some lenghty troubleshooting.
 
From within that App you can Share/Pass any file onto other apps 'which support the file type'.
The problem with iOS is that you can't share a single file between multiple apps. The only thing you can do is copy files, meaning each app ends up with its own separate copy of the file. This wastes space and if you modify the file you have to remember to copy it back to the other apps so.

You also have to remember which application a file belongs to in order to find it. I always thought it was weird that iOS was designed to be application-centric rather than content-centric.
 
Exactly. It works differently for everyone. If iOS doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you. No need to make a thread to complain.

So, unless you only have praise for the capabilities of iOS you're supposed to not post here?!?!

I, for one, find his criticisms (and many others on various topics here) very informative. He laid out, in detail, many of the problems he has run into in with iOS. Some of them I've run into myself, but not all. He's given me a heads up to problems I may run into in the future. It's just info. Do with it what you want.

Do you also get angry at a movie reviewer who criticizes a crappy movie?

I suppose you'd rather this site be only inhabited by a bunch of glossy eyed fanboys who only post comments like 'ooh, I love how the icons look like they're in 3D space in iOS7 - soooo pretty."
 
What is the point of this general rant here in the beta section? iOS is limited and closed down INTENTIONALLY, with stability, control and tight integration in mind.

I for one was an avid Android user, until I realized that i don't really need another (wannabe) computer in my pocket, with all it's problems. All I need is a stable smartphone that does a few things perfectly, not a thousand things half-assed.

Although I have Windows PC I never felt the need to browse files on my phone (WTF for, there are apps for everything). Or you could always jailbreak and have a true file browser if the need is so dire. Btw the equivalent "rooting" with Android usually voids your warranty and some devices are impossible to root due to locked bootloaders.

Also, the openness of Android has its serious drawbacks. Things like crashes, huge inconsistencies across the ecosystem, second grade apps, uncontrolled multitasking leading to some pretty bad battery life and system slowdown, if you aren't careful with what apps you leave open.

Also most of the free apps there choose the way of mass advertising to make some buck, since Android users aren't known for their paying habits. That means that they take advantage of the open system and push ads in your notification center and lockscreen without any identification where they come from. So if you installed 50 apps recently, you are in for some lenghty troubleshooting.

If you think being little bit open than current implementation and iOS will become ah virus heaven like Android, then i suggest you look OS X and Linux. Do these OSes runs into instability and virus infested OS?

Also, iOS isn't equal to iPhone. iOS is also used on iPad, if you want your phone just be a phone, then flip phone is also a phone. Seriously, Apple really want iPad a productivity tool, then some basically feathers have to implemented. Not everyone want go back and forth from app to app just to accomplish simple tasks
 
I agree with the OP to a certain extent. I found it impossible to send multiple PDF files in a single email OR a way to zip PDF files to a single file and email that in iOS.

When I refinanced my house I was on vacation. The loan people needed a bunch of things from me. I was able to use my friends Galaxy S3 to get them all the information they needed in a very professional looking email from the beach. Since the iPhone couldn't do it.

I'm using my iPhone more and more like a toy that is incapable of doing professional type work. Which btw I don't think that's a problem. I generally use my phone for games, social networking and music and for those things I feel the iPhone is better.
 
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dude as apple would say, theres an app for that. its called android os.

you're talking about things that are fundamental differences between apple and android. stability and ease vs customization and flexibility.

custom keyboards? no sandboxed apps? replacing stock apps? file system? android has all that. AND MORE.

you already use an Nexus 4. the decision is screen aspect ratio vs the customization you want for a tablet. easier for you to switch now than later. apple WILL NOT change the basic architecture of its OS. sure at some point you might be able to customize keyboards. or increase sharning betewen apps and custom apps for different docs. but they will be strictly implemented via api's rather than free-for-all system wide access. so there will always be limits to its implementation.

First, don't get me wrong. iOS 7 is a beautiful OS beside the icons. Beta 4 is stable enough, although it still lags on the "trial product" iPad 3. Yes, after arguing with bunch of people, I still think iPad 3 is a "test product" from Apple. I am deeply regret of buying iPad 3.

Now, let's go back to main topic.

For years, iOS has been looked the same. Yes, iOS 7 has new look, but it is still the same old thing. Still pages and pages of icon , still no basics file system, apps still can't communicate well, still the same old way of operating the system.

Using iOS for me is like having a mother beside you and you can only do way she approves. She thinks you are an idiot and you can think. She is limiting you because she is afraid you might catch a virus or something.

1. Where is my ability to change default keyboard? For most English speakers, default English keyboard maybe OK for you, but after use Swype, you can't go back. Chinese keyboard is still lag, per-loaded word banks are lacking. There are bunch of gold Chinese, Japanese, Korean keyboard out there, but you can't use it unless you jailbreak.

2. If I open a PDF attachment, I can only open this PDF with Apple approved Apps, no other. I can't share this PDF to google plus or some other app not I can download the attachment to download folder.

3. I don't know the reason of not having file system. Majority of mobile OS from Android to Windows, from Windows to BlackBerry all have file system. It is huge inconvenient and annoying,

4. After 6 years, apps still cannot communicate each other. If I want to share a link on Google Plus what do I do? I need copy the link, to back to home screen, find Google Plus, open Google a plus, then post. That is hugely annoying. If I come across a video and I want to download this video, what do I do? I either go grad a browser that allow me download or I can't download at all. Even if I download a browser and download that video, I still cannot play it with my favourite player. It is still impossible to import music file directly from one app or default music app. Now you get what I am saying.

5. The most annoying thing is that all those annoyances can be and should be solved long time ago. All these annoyances can be solved by jailbreak, but tat's require you jailbreak.

I don't know how long before I give up iOS, I already switch from iPhone 4S to Nexus 4. The main reason for me keeping iPad is the 4:3 screen and tablet Apps. But the annoyances are truly annoying.
 
I agree with the OP. iOS 7 looks nice and finally has a toggle menu and better multitasking. However, the underlying problems are still there. The biggest one for me is the inability of apps to communicate. Also, choosing default apps for things like browsers and mail clients. And 3rd party Siri interaction. And the filesystem issue.

Apple's approach of no filesystem with an app-centric model is nice and simple, but is very annoying to work with. I don't think a legacy approach to the filesystem is necessary. In fact, the way Apple deals with photos in iOS would be great to replicate with all documents, PDFs, movies, etc. For instance, when you're in a photo editing app or a writing app, you can access the entire repository of photos on the device. Similarly, there should be a repository of documents that apps can access and save to so that you don't have to email a document between apps due to the restrictive, app-centric system.

With a new iOS that's as polarizing as iOS 7, you would think Apple would let people pick default apps if they don't like what Apple has provided. And in this case Apple IMO has crippled or simply unchanged many apps (outside a new coat of paint). Safari is even annoying the way the nav bar comes and goes. Pus scrolling seems to come to a halt way to fast. As many things as I love about iOS 7 there are equally as many to hate.

So what was really the whole point of this redesign when functionally all we get is a control center. When you step back really not that much has changed besides the look.
 
Don't complain because we don't need a file system and all of that "windows-android-ish stuff" :p

So all you do with you iDevices are web browsing or gaming? That is good to know. Aren't you getting tired of constantly emailing documents just to open documents?
 
Think about this, if it was such a huge feature to be able to browse your filesystem for whatever reason, why aren't more people talking about it? Why does it seem like nobody cares but you?
 
Think about this, if it was such a huge feature to be able to browse your filesystem for whatever reason, why aren't more people talking about it? Why does it seem like nobody cares but you?

It comes up all the time in "wish list" type threads. Has for years. Nothing has changed. I'd bet people have simply stopped bothering to waste their time.

You cannot even simply take an attachment from one email and put it in another (you can sometimes copy an attachment within an email and then paste the text along with the attachments, but it doesn't always work, especially in emails where someone has just sent you an attachment with no text). All attachments get sandboxed in various apps, multiple copies and versions.

If Apple added a simple file system, the same posters here criticizing it, would be falling all over themselves praising it. Par for the course on macrumors.
 
So all you do with you iDevices are web browsing or gaming? That is good to know. Aren't you getting tired of constantly emailing documents just to open documents?

No,he probably uses Dropbox like any normal person, where he can access his files from any device.
 
For years, iOS has been looked the same. Yes, iOS 7 has new look, but it is still the same old thing. Still pages and pages of icon , still no basics file system, apps still can't communicate well, still the same old way of operating the system.

No one holding a gun to your head. Go buy something else that gives you what you want.

Issue over
 
It comes up all the time in "wish list" type threads. Has for years. Nothing has changed. I'd bet people have simply stopped bothering to waste their time.

You cannot even simply take an attachment from one email and put it in another (you can sometimes copy an attachment within an email and then paste the text along with the attachments, but it doesn't always work, especially in emails where someone has just sent you an attachment with no text). All attachments get sandboxed in various apps, multiple copies and versions.

If Apple added a simple file system, the same posters here criticizing it, would be falling all over themselves praising it. Par for the course on macrumors.

I, for one, have no need for a file system, it's a phone, not a computer. People can just switch to android if it's a ground breaking feature and if they like iOS then they can suck it up and stay or go buy an iPod Touch/iPad and an android phone. iOS has almost never been about customization.
 
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