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That's not good enough in this day and age, and both MS and Sony know it.

No that's exactly what a gaming machine needs. Have you not seen the DS and Wii s***ing all over the other systems sales figures? The 360 and PS3 are performing worse than the Gamecube did. Mr. Joe Public doesn't seem to want these countless features they just want to pop a disc in and play a game.
 
No that's exactly what a gaming machine needs. Have you not seen the DS and Wii s***ing all over the other systems sales figures? The 360 and PS3 are performing worse than the Gamecube did. Mr. Joe Public doesn't seem to want these countless features they just want to pop a disc in and play a game.

Just another Nintendo fanboy...
 
Just another Nintendo fanboy...

Oh right, so you can disregard the stone cold fact Nintendo are outselling everyone else and they're not expanding much outside of the game console functionality just because you call me a fanboy? I thought you might have enlightened us to why this is so rather than just throwing insults around...

Also, get your facts straight. I have all systems and enjoy them except the PS3 which I sold recently. I own more 360's than Wii's. But hey you're more than welcome to believe what you want.
 
I had a 360 and a ps3 but sold the ps3 to buy an iPhone. The ps3 is a great system with alot to offer but aside from watching blu-ray and playing resistance (the only good game) it sat and collected dust.

If you are really into online gaming buy a 360. If you are just a casual gamer and would also like to watch blu-ray then buy a ps3. They are both great consoles so whatever you get I am sure you will be happy.
 
I haven't posted in this thread for a while, and it took me a while to get caught up on what was being said, and where the discussion is going.
The way I see it, Sony is trying to make up for a thus far sub par game lineup, with extra features like memory card readers, DVR capabilities (i heard this somewhere), a blu ray player, linux and things like PSHome. This all makes for a great media center device, but without a good lineup of games, it isn't going to compete with consoles that have great games. Granted, in recent years, consoles have taken on more media center capabilities, but that usually wasn't at the expense of a great gaming experience. Am I saying that the PS3 is down for the count? No, because it hasn't been long enough for a solid lineup to become apparent. It took the 360 a while to get some great games, and everybody should expect at least the same, if not a greater amount of time for the PS3 to get a good lineup of games. Right now, the upcoming games for the PS3 look good, but it will still always be compared to what games the 360 has and will have.
My point (that I already made earlier) is that it is too early to tell. Also, Sony needs to stop focusing on all these media center capabilities and start cranking out some groundbreaking sequels, as well as some great new franchises. To compete, they need exclusives, which are in short supply for Sony these days.
 
Oh right, so you can disregard the stone cold fact Nintendo are outselling everyone else and they're not expanding much outside of the game console functionality just because you call me a fanboy? I thought you might have enlightened us to why this is so rather than just throwing insults around...

The Wii is at most an oblique competitor for the other two consoles. It aims at younger gamers and is priced such that it isn't too expensive for mom and pop to buy for the kids.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Wii. It's a stellar product, but it's aimed at a different crowd.
 
You're right, Agathon, it's aimed at everyone. Not people in their 20s, not old people, everyone. So despite the fact that it may not have uber-HD graphics and three processors and such, it is beating the pants off the other two consoles.

And before you start whining, yes, I have all three systems.
 
I haven't posted in this thread for a while, and it took me a while to get caught up on what was being said, and where the discussion is going.
The way I see it, Sony is trying to make up for a thus far sub par game lineup, with extra features like memory card readers, DVR capabilities (i heard this somewhere), a blu ray player, linux and things like PSHome. This all makes for a great media center device, but without a good lineup of games, it isn't going to compete with consoles that have great games. Granted, in recent years, consoles have taken on more media center capabilities, but that usually wasn't at the expense of a great gaming experience. Am I saying that the PS3 is down for the count? No, because it hasn't been long enough for a solid lineup to become apparent. It took the 360 a while to get some great games, and everybody should expect at least the same, if not a greater amount of time for the PS3 to get a good lineup of games.

I agree completely. I had a 360 when the games weren't really there. I think the first really good 360 games were Oblivion and GRAW 1, and that seems to be a widely shared opinion. Since then, we have had GOW, Forza 2, and now Bioshock. Those are about the best games on the 360 since launch.

Right now, the upcoming games for the PS3 look good, but it will still always be compared to what games the 360 has and will have.

Yes, but the problem for Microsoft is that the PS3 is capable of much more than the 360 is. As time passes, the PS3 is going to have games which the 360 cannot technically compete with in terms of graphics and sheer size.

Play Motorstorm and then go back to the 360, and you'll see what I mean. Forza 2 is an awesome racer, but it's just not on the same scale.
 
You're right, Agathon, it's aimed at everyone. Not people in their 20s, not old people, everyone. So despite the fact that it may not have uber-HD graphics and three processors and such, it is beating the pants off the other two consoles.

And before you start whining, yes, I have all three systems.

I'm not whining. I love what Nintendo has done. I think it's hilarious that they are beating the pants off of the other two.

Just because it isn't for me doesn't mean it isn't good.
 
Just another Sony fanboy? I mean to compare an arcade racer with an sim racer... :rolleyes: each one with a completely different art style...

How about games like Gears of War? IMO they blow anything else out of the water on both systems. And for the long term, well hasn't the 360 got a more powerful GPU than the PS3? How will it be able to produce better graphics?
 
The Wii is at most an oblique competitor for the other two consoles. It aims at younger gamers and is priced such that it isn't too expensive for mom and pop to buy for the kids.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Wii. It's a stellar product, but it's aimed at a different crowd.


Agathon, have you considered that perhaps the Wii's "childish" lineup is due to the fact that developers jumped on board at the last minute? Nintendo's had very sparse releases, and most third party developers have rushed to port over the games they released on the PS2 and added minor motion controls.


All the big AAA titles have been aimed at older crowds; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Metroid Prime 3, are both pretty violent (not gruesomely so, no gore, but you're slaughtering enemies left and right with swords or guns) and T rated, and Resident Evil 4 has been one of the biggest sellers.


Watch this holiday season, we're going to have some pretty strong releases from Nintendo, and early next year we should have Red Steel 2 ("bloodier and online"), so I hope people will stop assuming Nintendo is targeting children.
 
Just another Sony fanboy? I mean to compare an arcade racer with an sim racer... :rolleyes: each one with a completely different art style...

Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.

How about games like Gears of War? IMO they blow anything else out of the water on both systems.

GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.

And for the long term, well hasn't the 360 got a more powerful GPU than the PS3? How will it be able to produce better graphics?

The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.
 
Yes, but the problem for Microsoft is that the PS3 is capable of much more than the 360 is. As time passes, the PS3 is going to have games which the 360 cannot technically compete with in terms of graphics and sheer size.
Actually, it can. In many ways, the 360's arch is better, including a more powerful graphics processor, shared RAM, faster RAM, faster optical drive, insanely good upscaling chip, and a chip that, while theoretically less powerful, is more powerful in real-world gaming uses, ie, lots of branching randomised code running lots of threads at the same time (something Cell really struggles to do)
 
Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.

Motorstorm runs at 60fps in 1080p? :rolleyes:

They could have at least tried to make the environments look good in that game. Sure Forza hasn't got much in the way of environments since it's all race course based. But it looks a lot more realistic to me. Helps that there isn't a frame drop to be found too...

GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.

WTF. We're talking about graphics, nice of you to switch to another topic so abruptly.
GOW has 8 players. Tekken has 2 players. Resistence has 40-odd players (forgot exact number). Half Life 2 supports 64 players. WoW supports countless.
Again... comparing 2 different genres. The gameplay in Smash Bros Melee is better than anything this gen. Half Life 2 has more variety (Garry's Mod anyone?). Yes! I too can drag discussions all over the place without making any point!


The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

Nice FUD :) really very nice. I mean it's poor, but a good try.
What's exactly limited on a 360? DVD? Say hello to prefabs (used in every game ever) and you can scale a massive RPG like Zelda onto a 1.5gb disc, a huge world like Oblivion onto a DVD9 (and have room to spare). Seriously. Where is your argument here? Even your Warhawk is less than a 1gb...

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.

To be honest I haven't played many 360 games, but Blue Dragon is ruddy huge. BioShock is a whopper too (at 6gb). Fable 2 is round the corner too.
 
ps3 has better graphics and you don't need to worry about the red ring of death and plus good games r just starting to come out! Plus price drop on 60GB and black 360 is ok but i own a ps3 so of course I'm gonna side with sony.
 
Uh… APPLEFAN8… the PS3 doesn't have better graphics. Want to know why? Well, first, most multiplatform games are written for the Xbox 360 first, and then ported over to the PS3, thus making the 360 version better because it was the original (this does not include games such as Ninja Gaiden which were rebuilt to look better - besides, that was also an Xbox - not 360 - game). Second, devs have had longer with the 360, so they know how to get more out of it than the PS3.
 
Motorstorm has far better graphics than Forza. End of story.



GOW is OK in single player. The multiplayer gets old pretty quickly. The biggest limit to it is that only 8 people can play in a multiplayer match. Warhawk kicks its ass in sheer scale and variety of gameplay.



The 360 seems incapable of producing huge high detailed worlds. Most 360 games are a campaign mode with linear maps that "look" big via optical illusion (e.g. GOW, COD, GRAW) + multiplayer on smallish maps.

In contrast Motorstorm and Warhawk have huge outdoor environments. I've yet to see that on the 360 other than in Oblivion, which is a single player game, and I own most of the good 360 games.

Wait a minute, first you say the 360 can't produce huge worlds and then you say that Bethesda did it with Oblivion, well if Bethesda can do it, that means it can be done, right? Why are you contradicting yourself?

Oh, and Forza 2 looks better than Gran Turismo 5, oh, wait, that's right GT5 isn't out yet and probably won't be for another year!!

And it's funny how if Motorstorm is so good, why is Sony giving it away for free now? You don't give away your killer games for free, your killer games are what are supposed to make people buy your system. The fact is Sony's killer apps have all been disappointments so far. Lair and Heavenly Sword both stink, as does Resistance. Sony is even selling a bundle in Europe where they are giving away Lair, Heavenly Sword and F1 with each system sold. Resistance was included in an older pack, but that one isn't being sold anymore. Again, if they are such great games, why are they being given away as pack ins?

Sony has eliminated all hardware backward compatibility in the 40gb model and removed part of it in the 80gb model. What happened to backwards compatibility being an important part of the PS3 experience and Sony knocking MS for their partial backward compatibility? So now if you want full backward compatibility without issues you have to buy both a PS3 and a PS2.

Sony's online service can't touch XBox Live and Marketplace. For a system with WiFi built in, you would think Sony would have had a decent online service ready in time for the rollout and yet a year later, it still shows no sign of ever becoming half as good as Live.

1080p games versus 720p. Sony keeps saying they can play games in 1080p, well guess what? Hardly anybody owns a true 1080p tv, so it's useless to 99% of gamers. At normal viewing distances, you can't tell the difference between a 1080p image and a 720p one anyway and there aren't a lot of 1080p games being written because the game publishers know these things. If ESPN HD prefers broadcasting in 720p instead of 1080i/p because they say the images look better for fast action like you see in sports, there must be something to be said for 720p for games, also.

Game publishers also hate programming the Cell processor and it's proprietary memory. Valve farmed out the Orange Box to someone else to translate for PS3 because Gabe Newell couldn't be bothered with it, which is why it was delayed for PS3.

The Blu Ray drive is also slow at data transfer. Bethesda had to put redundant data on the PS3 version of Oblivion so the Blu Ray drive wouldn't have to search the disc whenever it had to load something in or else you wouldn't have been able to move through the world seamlessly.

Sony doesn't care about gamers, either. The PS3 is designed first and foremost as a Blu Ray player. They are sneaking it into households under the guise of a games console. If Sony really cared about gamers, they would have released the PS3 with a DVD9 and a price tag $200 lower from the start. That doesn't matter anymore, though, since the first sub $200 HD-DVD players will be hitting store shelves this Christmas and XBox 360 owners have had one for even longer than that. Blu Ray may have taken a temporary lead in sales, but once those cheap HD-DVD machines start flooding the market, it's going to be over for Sony.

With all the new technology in the PS3, it can't outsell the Wii or even the PS2. As long as the PS3 remains a distant third, game publishers will be reluctant to release games for it, and they certainly won't be releasing any exclusives. We keep hearing rumors about games that are supposed to be PS3 exclusives being released on other platforms, only for them to be denied and resurface again a few weeks later. There must be some truth to them or else they would die once they are proven false. We will most likely see 360 or Wii versions of these games simply because game publishers can't ignore the numbers for very long.

Sony is flailing around wildly like a blind man looking for the exit. Sony is pretty much in trouble on all fronts. They are facing increased competition in all the markets they are in and their quality is slipping while major competitors like Toshiba and Samsung are building up their customer satisfaction levels. Sony had to sell off their CPU plant that produces the Cell processor to raise some desperately needed money to keep the PS3 on the market. They also sold off their joint venture to make LCD screens with Samsung. If PS3 and Blu Ray don't make it, it's going to be hard times for Sony.

So get a 360 and a Wii and pass on the PS3.
 
Sony is flailing around wildly like a blind man looking for the exit. Sony is pretty much in trouble on all fronts. They are facing increased competition in all the markets they are in and their quality is slipping while major competitors like Toshiba and Samsung are building up their customer satisfaction levels. Sony had to sell off their CPU plant that produces the Cell processor to raise some desperately needed money to keep the PS3 on the market. They also sold off their joint venture to make LCD screens with Samsung. If PS3 and Blu Ray don't make it, it's going to be hard times for Sony.

So get a 360 and a Wii and pass on the PS3.

That's what I did. Wii last year and 360 Elite this year. That and our trusty old PS2. PS3 doesn't offer enough that is "different" for us.
 
FFS, do we need multiple threads that basically cover the same tired topic over and over? I think most of us know each others views on consoles, why does there need to be multiple "DUH WHICH ONE DO I BUY PS3 OR 360?!?!?!" threads?!?!

Recent one
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4558988#post4558988

I'm sure if you search there are a few more, its all basically the same thing with the same tired trolls and flames. All this one needs is for MosX to join in and the Australian ghetto dawg to chime in!
 
That's what I did. Wii last year and 360 Elite this year. That and our trusty old PS2. PS3 doesn't offer enough that is "different" for us.

I have both, too, but it was an easier decision for me because at the time the 20gb PS3 was still the cheapest model at $499 and had literally nothing going for it. It was completely stripped if anyone here still remembers it. I also got a $100 rebate from Micro Center which enabled me to get the Pro model instead of the Core. The Wii I got on a lark. I decided to camp Best Buy one night when they announced they would have Wii's and thought there would be a hundred people there when I got there and there wasn't anybody so I stayed up all night and got the Wii and I didn't even want one before that night, but now I love it. Maybe 1 out of every three games I play now is on the Wii. The 40gb PS3 is a better buy than the 20gb, even without hardware based BC, but there really aren't enough games out for it that I would want and their online service still stinks so I would still go with either a 360 Elite for $50 more or a Pro for $50 less if I were buying today. I can't really see myself ever buying a PS3 at this point because if I did buy it, it would be strictly for exclusives as I would still do most of my gaming on the 360 with the Wii as my number 2 and I have the HD DVD player for the 360, so Blu Ray doesn't mean a thing to me. I had a PS2 crap out on me from overuse playing movies, so I play all my movies even DVD's in the HD DVD player so my game console won't die from too many movies. $399 is a lot to pay for a console that isn't going to be your primary system and it's too much to risk playing a lot of Blu Ray movies and having it die. So even though PS2 was my primary with the XBox as my secondary last time, I have to pass on Sony in this generation.
 
What the hell is wrong with you people?

You know it is possible to enjoy the console you own without hating and bashing the one you don't own?

Fanboyism makes you look immature and ridiculous, should you wonder. Is it REALLY that important to publicly justify the investment you made, and take sides and campaign for your system like it's a presidential election? You like your system, so play your games, be happy and be done with it.

All three consoles are good systems. See which one has the most exclusive titles you like, and you know which console you will have the most fun with. End of story.

In the meantime, you should be happy and EMBRACE the fact that there are three good systems out there - competition works in your favor.
 
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