Again--and it's sad this needs to be repeated--nothing I said is in conflict with the obvious fact that Apple products sometimes have hardware failures.
Huh?
The rest of your remarks are entirely unfounded in fact, mere lashing out.
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Again--and it's sad this needs to be repeated--nothing I said is in conflict with the obvious fact that Apple products sometimes have hardware failures.
Huh?
The rest of your remarks are entirely unfounded in fact, mere lashing out.
Of course everyone is waiting for Apple with baited breath
Yeah right OK
how can you even be taken seriously, runtime on battery was always the Mac's strongpoint, no tiered battery for 2017 Apple'a already working on it Q-6
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As are yours to anyone who does not "follow" your train of thought, but keep going your almost entertaining...
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how can you even be taken seriously, runtime on battery was always the Mac's strongpoint, no tiered battery for 2017
Again, the fact is that the 15" model already has better battery life than the 2015 and its nearest Windows competitor. I doubt they'll introduce a new iteration just to fix that "issue." They may have other reasons eventually.
Again, the rest of your remarks are mere lashing out.
Your boring me now, just repeating yourself - There are plenty of well documented reviews that show that the 2016 does not stand up as well as 2015, equally as with all, people will pick what works to support their argument.
Of course when Apple releases the MBP with greater battery capacity & additional features, please feel free to complain about it
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Please share! I've read over a dozen reviews, but haven't seen any of the plenty you refer to. I have seen reviews from sources that do controlled measurements that show for the things people are likely to actually use the battery for the new MBP 15" excels. For more heavy-duty things that most people would normally do plugged in, the larger batteries can last longer, for what it's worth. Ars Technica:
New MBP
Wi-fi browsing, 200 nits: 15:33
WebGL, 200 nits: 2:49
Old MBP
Wi-fi browsing, 200 nits: 10:03
WebGL, 200 nits: 2:53
XPS (tested after software updates)
Wi-fi browsing, 200 nits: 8:02
WebGL, 200 nits: 3:45
Notebook Check:
New MBP
WiFi Surfing, v1.3, 140 nits: 10:02
Big Buck Bunny H. 264 1080p, 140 nits: 8:36
Load (max brightness): :55
Old MBP
WiFi Surfing v1.3, "about" 150 nits: 7:12
Big Buck Bunny H. 264 1080p, about 150 nits: 6:53
Load (max brightness): 1:45
Engadget ran video playing tests on the the new MBP and the XPS and usually got 9 to 10 hours (up to 11) from the MBP at normal brightness. They don't say if they ran the test as many times with the XPS, which they listed at 5 hours 25 minutes (after the software updates).
I would recommend a msi laptop with a m.2 ssd and a terebyte storage. Good solid gaming machine for £800
Fascinating; as stated you can pull stats off the web all day long to support various arguments, what actually matters is the impact on the individuals workflow.
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Depends on your use case. If your uses are dependent on high CPU/GPU processing at the same time, the reputation is not good. As an overall computer to have at home , excellent reputation .
Conveniently these "facts" only serve your need, as I could equally pull "facts" that reinforce mine. Fundamentally you have no idea of my workflow or case usage and seem unable to grasp that the 2016 MBP is not the great panacea for all.
If the 2016 MBP served my needs best I would be responding on one, owning both high tier 13" & 15" reality is they don't and that's on Apple, once they are back in the game I will look again, equally Apple is now more of a provider of fashionable tech, than a provider of solid tools...
Microsoft is pushing hard, not always in the right direction mind, equally trying and that should never be discounted. Apple is just sitting back soaking up it's IOS profits, it's not what the Mac has become, more what the Mac should have been...
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Again, please do. I've yet to see any of the plethora of reviews you claim support your view. In the mean time, you may wish to at least consider the possibility that the facts aren't as you thought, since I've cited plain facts that contradict what you've said.
Obviously. I haven't even hinted otherwise.
Again, you're just making that up. It's quite plainly false to the extent that many, many people use those tools for their work and find them quite efficient and reliable.
Am sure that you can "drive" a search engine for yourself, however one's mind needs to be open in the first place. My own thoughts are for every argument you will look to refute, ad infinitum, ad tedium, therefore pointless. Rushing to defend Apple at all cost, as the vast majority of your posts reflect.
Good we're making progress.
You really need to get a better grasp of what "opinion" actually is, I have few doubts the 2016 serves some very well indeed, equally for others Apple is moving to the mid ground, focusing on the aesthetic over practicality. Alternatively you could simply accept that other opinion differs due to their individual needs & workflow...
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I've read through the comments on this thread and thought I would just contribute my $0.02. This is only opinion and is completely subjective in nature.
Full disclosure... I've been running Apple machinery for nearly 15 years starting off with an iBook several years ago. I've had PowerBooks, MBPros, iPhones, iPads, Mac Minis... you get the picture.
Hardware... I understand both arguments as it relates to the current MBP. I have a friend who has horrific battery issues on his new tbMBP and is frustrated by it. I can't blame him. I've read reviews BOTH WAYS on this relating to all the "facts" that have been posted on this thread.
All this being said... I WON'T leave Apple YET. Why? Short answers - value and customer service. Let me explain...
Value... Yes, you pay way more up front for things Apple related. But year over year im actually paying less. In MY case, again subjective opinion coming out, my hardware and machinery lasts longer than my PC friends hardware does. Also, the Apple hardware I own retains its value for resale purposes if I want to upgrade earlier than the normal Mac or iDevice life cycle.
Customer Service... This is something in MY case you can't put a price tag on! I've had Dell computers before and in my situation, Dell wouldn't touch or fix my computer once when it was one day outside the warranty. Yes, this isn't Windows, I get that. In fact, they wouldn't even field my phone call unless I paid for an individual phone session.
On the flip side, I have had countless items over the years outside of warranty and AppleCare expiration date not only looked at my Apple but also fixed by both the Genius Bar and mail in return. I've always been honest and not offensive when I go into the store. They take care of my situations 9 times out of 10 and they don't have to do this!
My point... until value or customer service changes I'm not going to switch platforms and relearn how to use things. It's not worth my time. But, if this did become an issue I would consider it. These are purely MY reasons for remaining. I can't nor will I fault ANYONE for jumping ship. You have to determine what is best for your situation, time, energy, and resources. For me... I've made up my mind for now.
Jay
[doublepost=1486210288][/doublepost]One more note as it relates to this thread...
Whatever stance you take being and sticking with Apple or "jumping ship" as the title of this thread suggest - we can keep it civil. We don't have to come in here and be a turd making things more volitile. Can't we keep it civil? We don't need to get all knotted up over our stance on computers and what not.
This is all subjectively based and each one of us have different backgrounds and variables that require different things. Let's honor and respect this and keep some things civil in an otherwise chaotic and divided world.
Full disclosure... I've been running Apple machinery for nearly 15 years starting off with an iBook several years ago. I've had PowerBooks, MBPros, iPhones, iPads, Mac Minis... you get the picture.
Hardware... I understand both arguments as it relates to the current MBP. I have a friend who has horrific battery issues on his new tbMBP and is frustrated by it. I can't blame him. I've read reviews BOTH WAYS on this relating to all the "facts" that have been posted on this thread.
All this being said... I WON'T leave Apple YET. Why? Short answers - value and customer service. Let me explain...
Value... Yes, you pay way more up front for things Apple related. But year over year im actually paying less. In MY case, again subjective opinion coming out, my hardware and machinery lasts longer than my PC friends hardware does. Also, the Apple hardware I own retains its value for resale purposes if I want to upgrade earlier than the normal Mac or iDevice life cycle.
Customer Service... This is something in MY case you can't put a price tag on! I've had Dell computers before and in my situation, Dell wouldn't touch or fix my computer once when it was one day outside the warranty. Yes, this isn't Windows, I get that. In fact, they wouldn't even field my phone call unless I paid for an individual phone session.
On the flip side, I have had countless items over the years outside of warranty and AppleCare expiration date not only looked at my Apple but also fixed by both the Genius Bar and mail in return. I've always been honest and not offensive when I go into the store. They take care of my situations 9 times out of 10 and they don't have to do this!
My point... until value or customer service changes I'm not going to switch platforms and relearn how to use things. It's not worth my time. But, if this did become an issue I would consider it. These are purely MY reasons for remaining. I can't nor will I fault ANYONE for jumping ship. You have to determine what is best for your situation, time, energy, and resources. For me... I've made up my mind for now.
Jay
[doublepost=1486210288][/doublepost]One more note as it relates to this thread...
Whatever stance you take being and sticking with Apple or "jumping ship" as the title of this thread suggest - we can keep it civil. We don't have to come in here and be a turd making things more volitile. Can't we keep it civil? We don't need to get all knotted up over our stance on computers and what not.
This is all subjectively based and each one of us have different backgrounds and variables that require different things. Let's honor and respect this and keep some things civil in an otherwise chaotic and divided world.
Most definitely not. I'm more referring to the iMac which actually has excellent potential as a desktop computer and its being gimped by unecessary thinness , which is pointless for a desktop just so it call look cool. Sure make a laptop thin and light , I get it, but to gimp a desktop cause form is more important than function, its at this point where you question the design.
The current MacBook Pro in my mind is a fine machine, I did return mine though, cause the value for money is just not there after the recent price hikes, I got a refurb 2015.
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So Windows = sucks , apple = awesome . Sounds like great independent advice
I fail to see how PC hardware is inferior, I can in fact build a much better PC with far superior components than those found in macs, what you are referring to is design. Yes macs are super sexy, they do not have superior components.
My Mac Pro looks great, I can build a PC with much better quality internals that will vastly outperform my machine. Form over function is really becoming a major issue with apple, so no, apple hardware is no longer superior like it used to be.
The internal hardware in PC laptop (not including peripherals) is faster than a mac, but as a whole (including the trackpad, screen) nothing beats a Mac. Only issue with Macs is that hackintosh runs circles on performance even on Apple's fastest mac. As a regular user, Macbook pro is fine, but for power users that process multiple 4K layering, hackintosh is the only way to go.
IMO, just get both macbook pro and a hackintosh for best of both worlds.
Spot on. The MacBook Pro is still class leading in many ways, but a hackingtosh is much superior if you are after performance .
Only daft thing is pascal support under macOS. It's just becoming less and less beneficial to remain with macOS
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Considered the hackingtosh route, however it only works for personal use, with my professional need requiring fully licensed portable solutions. 2016 MBP works against "me" on multiple levels. In many respects Apple has drawn it's line in the sand, as have I.
The switch to W10 for my primary 13" class notebook was not undertaken lightly, equally no drama to date. Ultimately I just want the best for may needs, sadly Apple no longer offers that, with greed very much over taking the value Apple once represented.
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This is true in the old Apple days but Apple products no longer hold their value, at least not enough to be a benefit anymore. I recently sold my 2016 nonTB MacBook Pro and I was able to get a whopping $1200 out of it. It was brand new, mint, 10-10 condition and only had 14 battery cycles. A look at swappa and local craigslist has them selling brand new in box for about $1,200-1,300..
The computer was just released and prices have already plummeted... The new Apple gear no longer hold it's high value..
My Apple Watch SS Series 2 ($600 RRP) sold for $375 and it was in mint condition.. My iPhone SE - 64GB sold for $280 ($450 RRP) and it was mint condition...
Agree and Apple does have very good support however... I recently purchased a Surface Book and it came with a set of Sennheiser Momentum 2 Wireless Headphones for free. When the package arrived the headphones were not in the box. I called MS and they sent a new pair with overnight shipping AND I got an email the next day apologizing for the issue and offering me a $75 MS Store gift card for free..
I couldn't agree more, of course it's a personal opinion, just me I'm not speaking for anyone else. I've always been more than impressed with Apple's customer care, I'm not saying service because you get the impression they actually do care. Not about an individual as such, but ensuring that they deliver the best they possibly can to keep their customers happy.
I too have had the complete and utter shock of having an item (iPhone 6 Plus) replaced with a brand new device when it was out of warranty and without AppleCare. I didn't even ask for a replacement, in fact I wasn't even asking for a repair. I was in the AppleStore for something entirely unrelated and chatting away to the chap. As it was a relevant point in our conversation, I happened to mention that the mute switch on my iPhone was a little loose. That's all, not broken, not even annoying, just slightly loose.
He asked to see it and on the spot just said, I'll give you a new one. Being the honest hardworking type I tried offering money for the replacement, there was no need for it as far as I was concerned so I felt I should at least be paying something. But nope, they wouldn't take anything for doing such a thing. Amazing customer service, by far better than anything I've experienced from any other company ever and that's not my only experience of Apple's outstanding customer care, just one.
So when I decided that I would treat myself to another new shiny toy there was little doubt in the end that it was going to be the new MacBook Pro. I looked around and even tried out the competition of course, we're talking a not insubstantial amount of money, so I like to make sure I'm making the right choice. Of course I need to remain a user of macOS for work, but that doesn't mean I couldn't buy a Windows system for pleasure and other non-macOS dependent work. Or build a hackintosh, or even just run macOS in a VM. I still have my iMac anyway.
But ultimately I find the new MacBook Pro to be a good system, with lots of potential. I went for a maxed out 15" (with the exception of a 1TB SSD instead of 2TB, I'm not that stupid
) It benchmarks higher than my iMac, which admittedly is getting a bit old, 2012 27", 3.2Ghz i5, Geforce GTX 675MX 1GB and 32GB of DDR3 RAM and a 512GB SSD. But crucially the iMac can still quite easily cope with my not insignificant workload, only Fusion 360 causes a bit of slowdown when I'm working on a particularly complex 3D model.So the combination of the MacBook's performance, Apple's customer care, my experiences of macOS and the integration of all of my Apple Devices and what I learned from trying out the Surface Book and Surface Pro (friends have them) and a couple of other laptops (a XPS 13 and some Lenovo who's model number I cant remember) all added up to cement the decision that I'd throw a silly amount of money at a new MacBook Pro, I don't regret that decision and I'm entirely certain it's the right one for me.
So all that waffling gets me to here. There are those of us for whom Apple and the MacBook range is the perfect fit, it's the device that no other can replace and I don't think anyone could argue that Apple's customer service is the best in the world.
But they are most certainly not the right choice for everyone. There exists more than one operating system and more than one manufacturer for a very good reason. We're all different, we have different needs, wants, likes and dislikes. We are all entitled to make our own choice, no-one can tell anyone else what they need or should have. So if someone decides that Apple is no longer providing what they want or need, that's fine, they aren't wrong just because they want a non-Apple device they just have a different opinion than those who do. I still have to use Windows occasionally and if I'm honest, I still don't like it, not enough to switch back to it again anyway. But it's getting pretty damn close. It's a good, robust operating system these days and if they could just do something about my few *personal* pet peeves I'd maybe switch over in the future.
So for the love of god, either help a chap by offering helpful, informed advice. Or leave them the hell alone, you won't convince them that they are wrong and should instead buy Apple, because they aren't wrong, not even a little.
Anyway, as for the OP, the Dell XPS 13 is a really nice machine, if I were buying a new Windows laptop it would either be that or the Surface Book, which I'm particularly fond of. Either would serve you well I think. I'm also rather keen on the Razer Blade Stealth, but I'd want the Razer Core and a big beefy graphics card to go along with it
(This episode of pointless ranting was brought to you today by the letter V, the number 22, 50 odd hours of sleeplessness, 360mg of morphine and about 6 gallons of Coffee
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Now that's top-quality irony! A little reflection would do you good. I've given published facts, you've given nothing but refusal to accept facts, which you bolster with vapor evidence. What does that show about open-mindedness?
Um, again, that's opinion, just made up, clearly contrary to evidence. But you've shown evidence has no power in this for you.
If you mean personal preferences differ, that's exactly what I've been very clearly saying to you. Again, that doesn't entitle you to just make stuff up.
Yet again, you just make something up and present it as though it were fact. There's no evidence to support this lashing out. And no, the fact that you have different preferences doesn't imply greed on Apple's part any more than when you liked Apple.
You may well have seen reviews relating to the 13" TB that indicate battery issues. I have. I've seen none indicating that for the 15". If you have, please share. Some in the media, and many on the internet, have mixed up what the facts are about this. It's an objective matter. Having subjective preferences and opinions doesn't entitle one to make stuff up, as has happened in this discussion.
The rest of your remarks are representative of Mac owners, I think.
The iMac runs FCPX and does many other pro tasks just fine. I'm sure it sometimes has heat issues, as you say, but so do many of its competitors. That's a thing with computers. Since this is the MBP forum, I've focused my remarks on the MBP.
That doesn't show Apple items don't hold their value better than others, of course. You'd have to resell other brands too to compare.
I agree with everything you said. I hope no one thinks I've been trying to convince anyone they should prefer the MBP or other Apple products. I certainly don't think they're for everyone, or even most people. But that fact doesn't entitle people to make stuff up, as some now angry at Apple have a tendency to do. Preferences are subjective, facts are not.
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I know you are trying to defend Apple at all costs but please try and follow along with the conversation..
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I said:
Please stop taking peoples responses out of context and twisting their words to try and make a pro Apple argument. Make the argument on their own merits (which are not many with these new machines) and please try to follow the conversation(s)...
It's pointless to even have a discussion with you.. If you want to continue rationally then I'm all ears if not then I'm pretty much done responding to your ravenous postings...
The new Apple gear does NOT hold it's value like it use to. If you want to believe that it does then so be it but a quick search on used for sale sites will tell you a different story..
Take a look at this:
https://swappa.com/listing/QWI494/view
Brand spanking new with a battery count of 3.... $1169? WOW! Yeah that sure is holding it's value huh? LOL
Take out swappa fee, PayPal fee and shipping and the seller maybe got about $1100 (probably $1080 or so) from it...