Cheers for painting us all with the same brush.
You're 100% right. I shouldn't accept the notch. I shouldn't!...
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I do not understand the 'notch' angst at all.
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Cheers for painting us all with the same brush.
You're 100% right. I shouldn't accept the notch. I shouldn't!...
Except it’s not a notch per say. It’s two extensions (ears) of a screen that would otherwise not be there (on a smartphone typically a straight flat forehead bezel)
Shouldn’t have to post this again, but you can visually see this by the line drawn. The line goes from where the the forehead is on a normal phone over to where that same forehead would normally be had the X not had ears. As you can see, the ears are an extension, and added space in an area that would otherwise just be part of a black bezel...doing nothing.
okay thanks that eases my mind.
btw any of you ever play with a samsung note edge?
i know people a lot of people said the LG design was ugly but it was cool on the note edge being able to play with notifications and watching a video at the same time without the notifications overlapping the main screen.
btw any of you ever play with a samsung note edge?
i know people a lot of people said the LG design was ugly but it was cool on the note edge being able to play with notifications and watching a video at the same time without the notifications overlapping the main screen.
This is false you'd just get a smaller notch which in fact looks worse strangely enough. You want proof...
And you also get a big chin.
[doublepost=1508574841][/doublepost]Interesting to note that Samsung set the trend for minimal bezels and they also manufacture OLED which can bend. Samsung chose to use the bendy property to give users curved sides that no other android phone maker seems to think is worth copying, and Apple used the inherent bendy technology to remove the bottom bezel. Kinda ironic when you think about it.
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Mate the more I see of the look Apple has created the better it gets, and it already started out looking good. This is why I have another thread called 'The iPhone X is like 2007 all over again', not as some people incorrectly thought that I'm saying it's as groundbreaking (although in the current context of design language it has surprised everyone) it's that I'm referring to the universal mockery that it got from the heads of Nokia, MS and Blackberry, and we all know how that turned out.
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I’m hearing “it’s not a problem for me so it’s not a problem”.
If you like it fine, great. But if you call it good design, meaning the notch solves an existing problem, then it is not good design whether you personally like it or not.
uh thats not an iphone tho, the 8 has no notch at all.
i agree, i hate the curves. i think a few OEMs are working on fold able phones now tho.
the only cool thing samsung did was the home button under the screen, since the other method of software buttons can leave burn in on oleds
i agree, i hate the curves. i think a few OEMs are working on fold able phones now tho.
the only cool thing samsung did was the home button under the screen, since the other method of software buttons can leave burn in on oleds
The more i see examples the more i qet new questions, like... The Ears are already crowded by couple of icons. So there is no more room for icons like VPN when it is connected, bluetooth, there is no room for showing the name of provider (e.g. when travelling and want to know which operator you are using), etc...
You're confusing "problem" with preference. It is NOT a problem in that it causes no problems, that is not to say that you may not like it. That is fine. Same with the chins on other Android phones, they don't cause a problem but it's fair to say that I don't like them, but it's not fair to say they are a problem.
The ears, (there is no notch there is extra screen around the sensors, there are 'tangs' but no notch) do solve a problem, they solve the problem of not needing to display status info on the usable screen area. But they also become a touch sensitive part of the display that will have other uses that can be added in future software updates.
@mrex maybe they will have special icons, like a V for vrp so that it takes up less space.
1) you dont think they would have tested for that?
2) look at jailbroken iphones. the status bar is super easy to modify, im sure they have a way to fit everything.
1) you dont think they would have tested for that?
2) look at jailbroken iphones. the status bar is super easy to modify, im sure they have a way to fit everything.
I completely agree.
I really really really hope notches do not appear in future iPads and MacBooks. Sheesh imagine that notch on a “pro” version of the iPhone 5 se. Somehow people will find a reason to rave about the innovation of a notch on a small screen.
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Ahh you’re not viewing it as a notch, you’re viewing the “ears” as extensions of the useable screen. This is actually terrible design when it’s viewed that way. That means the “bezel” is actually bigger on the top. The “notch” is actually part of the bezel on top of the “edge to edge” screen.
But hey if it doesn’t bother you that’s fine but it’s not good design.
The size of the screen Apple advertises is borderline false advertisement when you view the ears as “tangs”.
That's the catch. But, isn't more screen worth it?
As for name of your provider..... It's not crucial info is it? If you travel frequently, all you'd need to do is swipe down once to access the Control Centre to view it....do you really need to see it all the time?
Yes, this is correct, the sensors are in fact contained in the minimum possible bezel area. You cannot get rid of the camera, which is why the essential ph-1 has a notch for the camera, and Apple cannot get rid of the camera and it cannot get rid of all the sensors because it's all the special sensors that give it the ability to do the special stuff that it will do, not to mention the AR stuff that will surely be developed for it.
The X does not have a completely bezel less screen because it has sensors. But it has come as close as it's possible to get.
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I think, knowing Apple that it won't be a 'catch' they will come up with some clever software solution, you can be certain of that.
They should’ve just made the top bar black so people don’t confuse umm sensors as a notch.
It’s visually jarring to have 3 flat edges and then 2 tangs or one notch not to mention this provides one more version of they app they need to produce specifically because of the ears or notch.
That they will, much like they'll find a way to have a 100% usable screen in future.
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App developers can do that. & those who have Black background in their Apps will most likely do that.
This is a solvable problem via software. No need to stress on it.
That they will, much like they'll find a way to have a 100% usable screen in future.
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App developers can do that. & those who have Black background in their Apps will most likely do that.
This is a solvable problem via software. No need to stress on it.
Im not saying developers can’t do it I’m saying it’s unnecessary, extra work. I’m about as stressed as a monk about it but Apple has encouraged developers not to hide the “notch” when it comes to using black bars.
App developers also have more screen to work with to perhaps make their Apps more aesthetically pleasing/functional.
This is the point. Is Face ID and front-facing cameras didn't exist, the notch wouldn't exist either.
[doublepost=1508583019][/doublepost]Let's be absolutely clear here - if Samsung's S8 had the notch and the iPhone X had the S8's notchless design, there'd be no end of hate for Samsung.
But because it's Apple that have gone with this odd design, it's justifiable.
However we look at it, what can't be disputed is that Apple have created an incredibly loyal customer base, and when it comes to business, that's the holy grail.
None is crucial, you can even see the time watching the icon etc..
But the screen. No, i personally think it is so fugly that im not getting that phone. If i need a new phone now, i would get just the 8. I just dont like the design with a notch - all i see is that i have forgotten to remove the film away and only a red message ”remove this” is missing from the notch.
Going by the loudest shouters here, it's not justifiable.
Those looking forward to the X seem to be the most calm, measured & positive....despite the doubters trying their hardest to change their minds...
the carrier is shown on the lock screen.. once the phone is opened, the time moves to that position:
i'm not sure of any other variations on the status bar yet as we've only seen these demo phones being used so far.. the battery percentage appears to have moved to control center..
i'm curious about where the bluetooth signal will be.. like- if you're connected to a bluetooth device, will it show up in the status area? or just in control center?
etc.
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the 8 has a large enough bezel to house the sensors/camera/speaker..
the X also has a bezel.. but the bezel on the X has been squished vertically and notched.. twice.. then the notched areas were filled in with display screen.
(as in-- the screen on the X isn't notched.. the bezel is notched on both sides)
Tim Cook said during the presentation that there was no room on the ears for a bluetooth icon, so they had to remove bluetooth from the phone completely. However they are hoping to fix this in software so you can choose to have either bluetooth active or wifi active but not both at once.
I agree with most of what you’ve posted here. Except maybe this. We’ll never know exactly why Apple chose what they chose. I do know that they put more emphasis on marketing than any other company. Even Samsung does keynotes now because of Apple. They want the face of their phone to be iconic. When you see a little graphic depicting a phone, even on that you can tell if they are referencing any old phone, or an iPhone. That instant connection to Apple will remain now due to the notch. I think that is invaluable to a company and their products. I stand by what I’ve said. Notch is for the next 10 years.
so i take it you don't know where the bluetooth status icon (and battery feedback of the connected device) is going either?
