One more thing I want to add is this most people don’t care about the notch and more power to them but no one can deny that it’s not Apple like.
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I do not understand the 'notch' angst at all.
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viewing what though, exactly?
you're talking hypothetically but thinking it's real scenarios.
what page, exactly, are you viewing where you've zoomed in too far and has missing words? and what app are you viewing this in?
what video, exactly, are you watching where you're concerned with notch obstruction.
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your argument makes sense right up to the point of actually using the phone.. then, the argument completely falls apart because what you're imagining to happen simply doesn't happen.
It makes me wonder why Apple allows video to enter the "ears" when viewing in landscape.
If they just blacked it out... you wouldn't have anything leaking into those offending areas.
I'm actually fine with the clock and battery info up in the ears in portrait.
I honestly don't watch very much video on my phone anyway. And if I do... it's a quick Youtube clip that is 16x9. Those will fit with no problems.
Sidenote: it kills me to see people watching 16x9 videos on their phones... IN PORTRAIT
I'm thinking "turn your phone sideways... it will be much better!"
What exactly do you use your phone for ? There are so many scenarios , you need to remember millions upon millions use iPhones and in a trillion different ways so your comment is irrelevant!
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Yes but Apple and software has been anything but fast in optimizing anything new... this happens with all new screen sizes and products.
For me it's just simply the way it looks. Top and bottom bezel look better when they are the same size. That might just be nitpicking but everyone is allowed their opinion.
it's not irrelevant.. i've seen quite a few live usage examples of the X along with pictures of the X in use and also simulations of the X in use..
and i just haven't seen the blocked content you're talking about.
idk, you're the one who is talking about how your viewing experience is going to be all screwed up because of blocked content.. i don't think i'm out of line by asking for an example of what you're describing.. do you?
if your example is ala "millions upon millions use iPhones and in a trillion different ways" ...then sorry, it's a bad example.. because every use i've seen up until now has been ok.. so based off that, it will likely be ok for millions upon millions of uses too.
Did you not watch the keynote for the X?? In their own game playing video the notch was very visible!! I guess you have selective viewing.
What I am saying is it’s a HUGE distraction , not all but a reasonable amount people will always be drawn to that notch... especially me!
I welcome devil's advocate type of posts, they contribute to good discussion, and allow points to be raised in an environment that allows for proper dialectic where the goal is to find the truth rather than hammer home an opinion regardless of truth.
So my answer to your question would be to point out that you can end up with an iPhone that is 4 foot long if you go down this route. Let me explain...
Apple have gone for the standard new screen ratio on big screen phones in Samsung's case it's 18.5:9 or 18:9 for other Android flagships, Apple went for 18.63:9 then they added no bezel at the bottom then they added the minimum possible bezel at the top which is just deep enough to accomodate their new array of tricky sensors, including flood illuminator, dot projection, camera and the like. So far so good.
Now imagine that they made that bezel area straight across. They would then have a phone with the smallest bezels. BUT, when not viewing say a full screen movie you will then have a thin strip of display taken up with the status information which you have on all the other phones currently. But Apple does not need to creep into the display because they have decided that instead of a hardware bezel right across the screen with the status software impinging on the screen, they instead extended the display up into the hardware bezel area on either side of the sensors and put the status information there.
This is additional screen for free, and lots of stuff is possible, for example it's possible to watch a movie enlarged to fill the status bars with image. Wot, you don't like that, that's fine you don't have to do it. And if you did do that you'd be cropping the movie anyway. You see nothing is lost.
Now if you take the stand that rather than the 'ears' being free extra screen real estate, it is in fact THE screen and the sensors are now cutting into and I accept your first statement that they could have put the sensors above this 19.5:9 (which it would now be) screen. Then you are asking for the phone to be taller with the sensors on top. OK to continue with this line of reasoning if they did that they are back to the same position as they are now, where they make a straight line from the top of the sensors to the sides of the phone. But then Apple has to cut back into the screen to put their status information. Oh wait say the designers, why don't we just extend the display up on either side of the sensors on the new taller phone and put the status information there... can you see where we are going, at some point someone is going to realise that the phone just keeps getting longer and longer and longer....
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With regards to games and apps, apple have guidelines in place. It's possible to remove the notch with software but they ask developers not to do that UNLESS THEY HAVE GOOD REASON, so this will be something that will sort itself out in time. Games already have chunks taken out of them with buttons and other 'distractions' the reality is an immersive game experience will likely not be impacted. But if it subsequently turns out to be a big deal then Apple can change their guidelines and we'll only find out how much it is a bother in the fullness of time.
No one is going to want to watch a movie like that though, Apple just showed it like that because it looked nice to fill the screen. You see the two most popular standard wide movie ratios are 1:1.85 and 1:2.39 link Now to take the former, and fill the full depth of the iPhone would make the ratio come out at 9:16.65 but Apple's screen ratio not including the 'ears' is 9:18.5 like Samsung and all the other new Androids. So when you fill the depth you are not even coming close to the notch. In order to fill the width of the phone so that the notch is obscuring the movie that you would have to be losing a fair bit of the top and bottom of the movie! Why would anyone want to do that? You could just enlarge it to just below the notch, you'd still be losing a bit of the top and bottom.
To take the other very wide ratio of 1:2.39 you already have black bars top and bottom and if you make it fill just below the notch that is exactly the same as if there was no notch and the hardware bezel went straight across.
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Not arguing with you on what you like, but it is a matter of fact that borders look better when they are uneven. For example when framing a picture, the sides are best being equal width, then the top should be slightly bigger than the sides and the bottom should be slightly bigger than the top. Then it looks right. Sort of like the way the letters with rounded tops like and upper case 'O' extend above and below the height of an upper case 'T'. Maybe more relevant is that when making an upper case S if you want the top and bottom part of the S to look the same you have to make the bottom bit slightly larger. If you make them the same then the top will look too small, it's just an optical illusion but you have to allow for it as if it's real. So perfect symmetry is not alway nice if you do have top and bottom bezels on a phone it's better to have the lower one slightly bigger or the phone will look top heavy just as an S would.
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Won’t the iPhone X camera notch get in the way of apps?
While the notch juts into a significant portion of the top of the screen, it won’t actually affect useable space. The status bar splits itself into two equal parts, with the time to the left of the notch and the cellular signal, Wi-Fi, and battery indicators to the right.
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The iPhone X status bar will be split and super-charged.
So, while the background color and image extend to the top of the screen, it’s really just for looks—all useable space is below the notch.
How will the notch work in landscape mode?
The screen will orient itself just short of the notch, so you’ll have two thin bars on either side of the screen to properly frame the app or video.
This is from MacWorld
While the notch juts into a significant portion of the top of the screen, it won’t actually affect useable space. The status bar splits itself into two equal parts, with the time to the left of the notch and the cellular signal, Wi-Fi, and battery indicators to the right.
The iPhone X status bar will be split and super-charged.
So, while the background color and image extend to the top of the screen, it’s really just for looks—all useable space is below the notch.
How will the notch work in landscape mode?
The screen will orient itself just short of the notch, so you’ll have two thin bars on either side of the screen to properly frame the app or video.
This is from MacWorld
Apple has embraced and is going to make the notch as iconic as the home button once was.
Apple WAS the short form and definition of aesthetics, not anymore!!
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Apple WAS the short form and definition of aesthetics, not anymore!!
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There should be no compromising or adjustments or yet any discussions how to make it properly work or fit, the notch just shouldn’t have been there, period!Won’t the iPhone X camera notch get in the way of apps?
While the notch juts into a significant portion of the top of the screen, it won’t actually affect useable space. The status bar splits itself into two equal parts, with the time to the left of the notch and the cellular signal, Wi-Fi, and battery indicators to the right.
@stroughtonsmith
The iPhone X status bar will be split and super-charged.
So, while the background color and image extend to the top of the screen, it’s really just for looks—all useable space is below the notch.
How will the notch work in landscape mode?
The screen will orient itself just short of the notch, so you’ll have two thin bars on either side of the screen to properly frame the app or video.
This is from MacWorld
The notch isn't meant to carry some iconic status like the Home button. It'll be a much shorter-lived evolution toward a pure screen front.
I think the dismissers are placing way too much attention/hate/philosophy toward the notch.
It may very well be shrunk down to half its size in 2 generations & perhaps gone completely in 3-5 generations time.
One can dream I suppose and you may be correct.
The notch isn't meant to carry some iconic status like the Home button. It'll be a much shorter-lived evolution toward a pure screen front.
I think the dismissers are placing way too much attention/hate/philosophy toward the notch.
It may very well be shrunk down to half its size in 2 generations & perhaps gone completely in 3-5 generations time.
I just saw a few ads for the LG V30 and wow what a simple design for a beautiful screen!
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Apple will get there eventually. LG may've gotten their screen right (if you don't mind top/bottom bezels), but at their heart (software/hardware) are they as appealing as Apple or other phone manufacturers?
There's no perfect phone out there, but at least if you're happy with the iPhone's insides (IOS/UI) & accessories (Airpods etc.), then you can enjoy those whilst the iPhone's outside (design) gradually gets to where it should be.
This is the concern, Apple trying to catch up once again. I am deeply embedded to apples ecosystem , so they have me exactly where they want all consumers.
The blackberry days were just as glorious at one time.
In regards to a top and bottom bezel in your comment, I would accept that any day over a ONLY half baked top bezel!
There is no 'notch' what you call a 'notch' is in fact the bezel on the phone, Apple have extended the screen into this bezel area for multiple uses.
Seeing as what you refer to as the notch is in fact all the hardware sensors, can you please explain how these will disappear in 3 generations time?
Apple isn’t catching up, depending on how you look at it, others now need to catch up.
Everyone is far too hyper focused on the notch itself and failing to realize what’s really going on here.
All phones have had a forehead and chin bezel. Some have removed one (mi mix for example no forehead but still has a chin)
iPhone X has no chin and only half a forehead bezel.
So technically Apple has removed the most out of the larger bezels (forehead + chin) than anyone else has been able to as of yet. Making Apple closer to a full screen device than others.
The screen to body ratio doesn’t tell that full story. It doesn’t have the biggest screen to body ratio, but that’s down to “thicker” narrow bezels around the rest of the device, but was for a usability reason to have something to hold to without false touches (ala Samsung’s curved edges) but it sure has removed the most out of the two major large bezels every other device has had (forehead + chin)
The sensors won't disappear. They'll exist, only under the usable screen, when technology allows.
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It appears the compromise LG have made with minimal bezel is a lacklustre front camera.
The X aims to retain a progression in the quality of the front facing camera whilst minimising bezel area. In this regard, I think they're leading the way.
Keep being delusional, the LG idea may not be "beautiful" but neither is the notch is your illusion idea is silly
That's OK if you live in a magic world of fairies and pixie dust but it will never be possible to place the entire array of sensors, including flood illuminator, dot projector, IR reader as well as camera underneath a display.
Like it or not, it's there.
Just because you say something is brilliant and innovative that doesn’t make it brilliant and innovative.
In many situations Apple isn’t the first but is the first to do it right.
This isn’t one of those situations.
This is right up there with removing the headphone jack and putting the lightning port underneath the Magic Mouse.
no its not, there is no illusion.
just about every phone has a **** ton of sensors on top, apple is the only one trying to make it look "artistic".
it may not be very great looking but we are willing to put up with it to test this newly improved face id, because so far the other OEMs havent done a very good job with it. (especially samsung whos camera was unlocking the phone when you put a photograph in front of it lmao)
They aren't 'trying to make it look artistic, (although it does look nice) they are trying to make the pointless bezel area on both sides into something useful, which they have done.
So folding the display under itself so the display drivers and controllers no longer require a full on chin bezel to be on the device isn’t innovative?
Samsung has been making OLED for how long? Apple’s first foray into OLED on their iPhone and come up with an idea the manufacturer of the displays never thought of themselves.
No phone has removed the chin bezel because of this until now (it was always required for the drivers and controllers)
I’d say that’s pretty innovative. And a prime example of them not being first (not the first to adopt OLED) but do it better (removing a large bezel no other company has been able to before, even when one of those companies is the very same company that is making them for Apple and have years and years experience with OLED technology)
Please.