I do not understand the 'notch' angst at all.

[Regime2008]

fwiw..

the rectangular dimension of the X's pixel Length*Width will give you a larger diagonal than 5.8"..

however, Apple is speccing the phone at 5.8" diagonal since there's some loss of content due to the non-rectilinear shapes.. if you took all of the available pixels on the X and reshaped them into a rectangle at similar aspect ratio, you'd find the spec'd 5.8" diagonal..

idk, if you ask me, the diagonal system of speccing a display should go away.. for one, it's completely misleading but for two, more and more phones aren't using true rectangles therefore a diagonal measurement isn't even possible.. there isn't a corner point to measure from.

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but my point is-- Apple is speccing at 5.8" and you'll be able to use all of the advertised space.. if they were being shiesty about it, they'd spec the diagonal at 5.9" (which is what the diagonal would be if using the pixel dimensions as a true rectangle.. then rounding up from 5.86")

Ok, I get it, so your issue is that Apple are using the “5.8inch” descriptor for the screen?
Fair enough, it’s misleading, but I can see why they say that rather than say “5.2inch and then some extra bits that stick up”.

Isn't the iPhone X display technically smaller than the 8 plus display?
https://www.phonearena.com/news/App...an-the-5.5-inch-iPhone-8-Plus-display_id98116

 

[Ipadfever]

Nil

 

[flat five]

Isn't the iPhone X display technically smaller than the 8 plus display?
https://www.phonearena.com/news/App...an-the-5.5-inch-iPhone-8-Plus-display_id98116

diagonal measurement tells nothing if trying to compare two rectangles of different shapes.

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that said, the rectangle of the X is slightly larger than that of the Plus.. once you remove the pixels from the corners&notch on the X, it then becomes a smaller display.

but my original point is 5.8" vs 5.5" tells you zilch about what rectangle is larger if the two rectangles aren't the same shape.


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that said.. the maths at your link is wrong

 

[Ipadfever]

This is precisely what I refer to as a distraction! Who is behind the notch?? A boogie man?

 

[eyeseeyou]

This is precisely what I refer to as a distraction! Who is behind the notch?? A boogie man?

I zoomed in even closer and found this...

 

[mrklaw]

This is precisely what I refer to as a distraction! Who is behind the notch?? A boogie man?

Then don’t tap to zoom. Default won’t do that

If you do it on iPhone 8 it’ll also hide content by chopping off even more of the sides

 

[Ipadfever]

I zoomed in even closer and found this...

Ahahahahahahaha
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Then don’t tap to zoom. Default won’t do that

If you do it on iPhone 8 it’ll also hide content by chopping off even more of the sides

I believe you are missing the point, the notch is a big distraction! Zoom in or out , default or not it doesn’t matter!

 

[inscrewtable]

It’s not just video but the whole experience. When I look at a screen that is all I want to see, a screen and not some foreign object getting in the way. For those who don’t mind it , you are gifted because I definitely am still baffled at why Apple went with such a controversial design!

OK then we are back to square one again, your complaint is not about the 'design' of the X, it's about Apple allowing in software for the 'ears' to be used as background. Your issue is one of software and not hardware. So if this really were to turn out to be a problem then it can be fixed in software and new guidelines. But that isn't going to happen because most people like it. I've never seen such a storm in a thimble over such a relatively minor software tweak.

BTW I asked you what the problem with the video was, I asked you to explain how it affected your usability as you said, but then you do not answer that but just go on to say "it's not just the video" then a few posts later you post an image of a cropped in video!

So then why would you complain about the 'notch' on a video that you have to crop top and bottom in order to make it go under the notch?

 

[Deeds500]

Your post is so full of ludicrous contradictions that it's difficult to know how to unravel it but here goes...

"that's where the real magic lies"

Well you're correct in calling it 'magic' because what you ask is indeed a fantasy, it is to all practical purposes currently and probably in the future completely impossible. You are asking for a screen that has to be able to show coloured pixels with all it's concomitant electronic circuitry to be completely and totally transparent such that a camera, and other infrared sensors and flood illuminator can operate as if it's not there at all. That just only happens in some magical Harry Potter world.

Or make it a permanent forehead for goodness sakes.

I love this bit, you say now there should be no ability to extend the display into this area. OK let's just say that you get what you ask for let's just say Apple did that are you saying you'd prefer, that it would be what you want them to do. OK now let's just say hypothetically they now produced a phone just like that just for you. Right so now you're watching a video on your custom phone and the maximum width you can go to is now right up to where the bezel starts right up to the bottom edge of the sensors.

OK still following... But now you say in the next paragraph...

I'm watching a movie in landscape, oh that notch, hang on let me f.a.r.k.i.n.g reduce the size of the video so i can see the whole thing. No thanks, that's s.h.i.t. Just plain f.a.r.k.i.n.g s.h.i.t.

But on your new custom made iPhone with the permanent bezel the image size is reduced to the exact same size that it would be on the normal phone if you reduce it so that it does not fill the screen. Got that, it's the same friggen size on the normal phone as your custom phone, but on your custom phone you're happy with the size but on the normal phone you are very very exercised to the point of swearing. Are you able to appreciate the idiocy of your position.

All you have left is typical boorish troll comments calling people sheep yet as I have just shown your logic is idiotic.

More oink oink from you. If you can't see that the notch is just plain stupid then that's your problem, not mine. Enjoy having to constantly adjust the size of your video. That is all.

 

[inscrewtable]

Ok, I get it, so your issue is that Apple are using the “5.8inch” descriptor for the screen?
Fair enough, it’s misleading, but I can see why they say that rather than say “5.2inch and then some extra bits that stick up”.

If you measure the screen from corner to corner along the diagonal measured from the bottom of the bezel, you'd get 5.6" not 5.2"

The very fact that you feel compelled to exaggerate the difference and make it three times more than it really is speaks volumes as to how ludicrous is your complaint.

Basically you now are saying that you are unhappy because Apple said it was a 5.8" screen but it's really only 5.6" if you want to crop into a movie to fill the screen.
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More oink oink from you. If you can't see that the notch is just plain stupid then that's your problem, not mine. Enjoy having to constantly adjust the size of your video. That is all.

That's all you got? "the notch is stupid". How can a "notch" be stupid, did it get a low IQ score?

Please explain how you have to "constantly adjust the size of the video" seeing as videos automatically fill the screen without cropping and don't come anywhere near the notch? Every video I ever watch on my rMBP automatically plays as large as it can without cropping no matter what the ratio, same on the iPhone X

 

[rafark]

so i take it you don't know where the bluetooth status icon (and battery feedback of the connected device) is going either?

No one does.

As for the battery percentage, I do have an idea. Instead of putting the percentage to the left of the battery icon, they can put it inside the battery icon.


Other options for more icons inside the ears: change their designs to fit the new shape. For example, there's relatively plenty of vertical space unused in the ears, so a vertical battery icon could make more sense than an horizontal one. Wifi signal icon? As the signal waves are rounded, they fit perfectly in the top rounded corner of the ear. And so on.

The truth is there's so much more apple can do to make the software ad hoc to the new shape. Because as of now they're taking a ui designed for a straight rectangle screen and putting it to a new shape. They're not thinking out of the box. They can do better and I'm sure (and hope) it's just a matter of time.

 

[nrvna76]

Not that I think it’s ideal, but it appears to show in a makeshift status bar at the top of control center.

 

[inscrewtable]

except Apple claims its next thing will be a fold able screen, like Samsung and LG have been working on for years.

If you can provide a link where Apple say their next 'thing' will be a folding screen, I'll donate $100 to a charity of your choice.

 

[Diorama]

If you measure the screen from corner to corner along the diagonal measured from the bottom of the bezel, you'd get 5.6" not 5.2"

The very fact that you feel compelled to exaggerate the difference and make it three times more than it really is speaks volumes as to how ludicrous is your complaint.

Basically you now are saying that you are unhappy because Apple said it was a 5.8" screen but it's really only 5.6" if you want to crop into a movie to fill the screen.

Dude what are you doing, we’re on the same team! I’m all about the notch bro. No notch hate over here. I said 5.2” because I was being conservative. I was arguing with an AntiNotcher. Jesus.

 

[Ralfi]

IF samsung advertised a certain size screen as a feature or selling point then added 2 "notches" that extended up from the advertised screen size, then in that specific, hypothetical scenario, I would not consider that a reduced screen size. One might say, based on apples logic, that the notches actually increase the screen size.

Your interpretation of their marketing has created a beef with the X. Forget the 5.8" then. It doesn't change the area of the screen beginning below the notch. The ears are bonus areas. You're getting a more efficient blending of the old bezel/status bar, whilst gaining more screen below the notch.

 

[inscrewtable]

Dude what are you doing, we’re on the same team! I’m all about the notch bro. No notch hate over here. I said 5.2” because I was being conservative. I was arguing with an AntiNotcher. Jesus.

Yeah I guess so, sorry about that. But tbh I don't really keep in mind who said what I just respond to posts as I see them. But you are in error saying that it's 5.2", it's 5.6" corner to corner if you draw a line under the bezel. By saying it's 5.2" you are aiding the enemy, (don't take this too seriously), because if someone wants to claim as the person you were responding to did, that they are annoyed because Apple shouldn't call the screen a 5.8" screen, then you should know that if you want to get technical it's only a difference of one fifth of an inch.
[doublepost=1508659506][/doublepost]Here you go this is the diagonal measurement discrepancy. If you take the diagonal from a line drawn underneath the bezel then you get 5.624" a different of 0.176", let's call it 0.18, or less than one fifth of an inch.

[doublepost=1508661907][/doublepost]https://www.macworld.com/article/32...first-impressions-with-apples-new-iphone.html

my emphasis...

I did notice that Apple has built the TV app to properly frame a video without the notch—when holding the phone in landscape orientation, the video is sized so that the side that’s on the same side as the notch ends right at the notch. If you want to make the video bigger, you can double tap as usual, and it will fill the screen—which means that part of the film’s image will be masked off by the sensor area. You get to choose if it bothers you.

 

[greeley]

If you can provide a link where Apple say their next 'thing' will be a folding screen, I'll donate $100 to a charity of your choice.

they arent going to leak their own stuff, but its been pretty all over the internet. rumor is a 2020 release date.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...s-as-rumors-of-a-foldable-oled-iphone-heat-up

http://www.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20171011000678

 

[inscrewtable]

they arent going to leak their own stuff, but its been pretty all over the internet. rumor is a 2020 release date.

Roffle, it's got to be true, they said it on the interwebs, it's all over the cyber, give me a break.

But you said this "except Apple claims its next thing will be a fold able screen, like Samsung and LG have been working on for years."

You said the words that "Apple claims..." but now you change it to you heard somewhere that someone said... but that becomes "Apple claims" and now you're saying this thing that Apple claims, which we now see they didn't claim, is just copying Samsung.

Why do I bother...

 

[greeley]

Roffle, it's got to be true, they said it on the interwebs, it's all over the cyber, give me a break.

But you said this "except Apple claims its next thing will be a fold able screen, like Samsung and LG have been working on for years."

You said the words that "Apple claims..." but now you change it to you heard somewhere that someone said... but that becomes "Apple claims" and now you're saying this thing that Apple claims, which we now see they didn't claim, is just copying Samsung.

Why do I bother...

since when do companies make contracts on rumors?

if you read the link they have an actual division of LG working on it and they even took out a patent for it

plus why would it be hard to believe when samsung has already been working on it for a bit

 

[sumsingwong]

since when do companies make contracts on rumors?

if you read the link they have an actual division of LG working on it and they even took out a patent for it

plus why would it be hard to believe when samsung has already been working on it for a bit

It's difficult for him/her to believe because Apple didn't come up with it first. But when they do create one years after other manufacturers have had it on their phones, they will say Apple's version is better they will put a tiny spin on it like the notch and say "look how it folds! It's sooo much better!" and it will differentiate it from the rest of the industry.

 

[Diorama]

Who was first to market with a foldable screen then?

 

[Septembersrain]

Who was first to market with a foldable screen then?

Technically doesn't Samsung have the patent? Though I'm hearing Huawei will have one in the works. Guessing the way it folds will vary based on the patent held.

 

[sumsingwong]

Technically doesn't Samsung have the patent? Though I'm hearing Huawei will have one in the works. Guessing the way it folds will vary based on the patent held.

Huawei and other Chinese manufacturers will continue to copy because they don't pay attention to patents or copyrights in Asia like they do in other countries.

 

[mrex]

Huawei and other Chinese manufacturers will continue to copy because they don't pay attention to patents or copyrights in Asia like they do in other countries.

As apple do??

XD

 

[flat five]

Yeah I guess so, sorry about that. But tbh I don't really keep in mind who said what I just respond to posts as I see them. But you are in error saying that it's 5.2", it's 5.6" corner to corner if you draw a line under the bezel. By saying it's 5.2" you are aiding the enemy, (don't take this too seriously), because if someone wants to claim as the person you were responding to did, that they are annoyed because Apple shouldn't call the screen a 5.8" screen, then you should know that if you want to get technical it's only a difference of one fifth of an inch.
[doublepost=1508659506][/doublepost]Here you go this is the diagonal measurement discrepancy. If you take the diagonal from a line drawn underneath the bezel then you get 5.624" a different of 0.176", let's call it 0.18, or less than one fifth of an inch.

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[doublepost=1508661907][/doublepost]https://www.macworld.com/article/32...first-impressions-with-apples-new-iphone.html

my emphasis...

I did notice that Apple has built the TV app to properly frame a video without the notch—when holding the phone in landscape orientation, the video is sized so that the side that’s on the same side as the notch ends right at the notch. If you want to make the video bigger, you can double tap as usual, and it will fill the screen—which means that part of the film’s image will be masked off by the sensor area. You get to choose if it bothers you.

i keep saying this over the years but it doesn't catch on

we should stop using diagonal measurements for screen comparisons.

on iPhone X, if you make the largest rectangle possible (ie- below the notch and above the margin at the bottom created by the rounded corners -- the 'safe area').. you'll have a 5.5" diagonal measurement..
if you then compare that to the 5.5" diagonal of the 8+, one might be led to believe that the safe area on the X is equal in size to the entire 8+ screen..

except, the 8+ screen is considerably larger in this comparison even though both measure 5.5" diagonally..

the problem, in that comparison, is that the rectangles are different shapes..

here's a simple example:

the diagonal measurement on the right is 12% larger than that of the left..
however, the shape on the left is actually 33% larger than the shape on the right..

(if you're not into maths, just count the squares )

idk.. i don't have any point about the size differences between various screens.. my point is that we shouldn't be using diagonal measurements to make comparisons.. while the dimensions listed may be accurate, they're entirely misleading to the general population.