I love apple, iPhone 4, Steve jobs I am now a fanboy.

[s8film40]

Right - so the statistic is flawed. So it can't prove or disprove anything. So why do people insist that only .55 percent have an issue. My only "point" was that the statistic was meaningless as presented. Looks like you agree now.

That's how data like that works it's not meant to be an exact number of people who have an issue, but meant to give an insight into the overall picture. It's like political polling it's not going to be 100% accurate. The intention is to get close to what the actual number is, there is always going to be a margin of error, there is no escaping that no matter how you collect the data.

"It's very hard to escape the conclusion that there is a problem, but the problem affects a very small percentage of users," Jobs said.

These "weak spots," Jobs said, are just a fact of life in today's smartphone market. "We knew if you gripped it in a certain way the bars ware going to go down a bit just like every smartphone," he said. "We didn't think it was going to be a big issue."

OK great you found some quotes of Steve Jobs talking about cell phones in general now you want to try to find him saying that specifically about the iPhone as you stated he did.

 

[samcraig]

That's how data like that works it's not meant to be an exact number of people who have an issue, but meant to give an insight into the overall picture. It's like political polling it's not going to be 100% accurate. The intention is to get close to what the actual number is, there is always going to be a margin of error, there is no escaping that no matter how you collect the data.





OK great you found some quotes of Steve Jobs talking about cell phones in general now you want to try to find him saying that specifically about the iPhone as you stated he did.

I'm not here to teach reading comprehension. Nor am I here to complain about the iPhone. I'm responding to the press conference and the information given. But some people here are so hyper sensitive about defending apple, jobs and the iPhone that they don't see that. They just see someone trying to say they are unhappy with the phone. I'm unhappy with apple's response. I love and am keeping my iPhone despite the recognized flaw because he good outweighs the bad.

 

[DoNoHarm]

Well, then I guess by extension you love AT&T as well because Steve loves AT&T. By default you're entering a three way relationship. Keep your credit card handy.

 

[mad-dog-one]

I have the issue but I have yet to drop a call i got it monday and have over 30 calls no drops

I agree with your point. If the iPhone 4 is working for you, then complaints from others are just noise.

 

[s8film40]

I'm not here to teach reading comprehension. Nor am I here to complain about the iPhone. I'm responding to the press conference and the information given. But some people here are so hyper sensitive about defending apple, jobs and the iPhone that they don't see that. They just see someone trying to say they are unhappy with the phone. I'm unhappy with apple's response. I love and am keeping my iPhone despite the recognized flaw because he good outweighs the bad.

Well you probably should learn a little reading comprehension yourself, taking someones quote and twisting it around so it suites your argument is not comprehension it's manipulation. If you want to infer something when someone say's something than you say something like, "Well in my opinion Steve Jobs is really saying the iPhone is flawed and just trying to displace the blame on the whole cell phone market" not "Steve Jobs say's the iPhone is flawed". That way you identify that you are interjecting your opinions into it.

Again there is no "recognized flaw" in the iPhone.

 

[zizo79]

Op do you have any type of common sense ?
SJ spent 100s of million of dollars on sound isolating chambers, hired the best engineers and worked his butt off for 22 days only to give you bumpers without admitting that there is something wrong with the iPhone 4. Myself and a lot of people are disappointed that Jobs did not apologize or admit that they goofed but kept being arrogant by bring out some unfounded stats (BTW, not everyone has Applecare, that is why the 0.55% called them).

 

[s8film40]

Op do you have any type of common sense ?
SJ spent 100s of million of dollars on sound isolating chambers, hired the best engineers and worked his butt off for 22 days only to give you bumpers without admitting that there is something wrong with the iPhone 4. Myself and a lot of people are disappointed that Jobs did not apologize or admit that they goofed but kept being arrogant by bring out some unfounded stats (BTW, not everyone has Applecare, that is why the 0.55% called them).

Everyone has Apple Care it's called a warranty.

 

[Fraaaa]

First of all, the word immediately is misspelled.

Oh, and samcraig is right. .55 is a false number. People heard about the problem and decided to wait. That's all.

True, is a false number. Have you ever seen when people strike? Only a small number is out with cardboards and signs protesting, the rest watch them through the TV or keep doing what they were doing, is pointless that everyone is going to strike together when a small number is more than enough.

 

[Mr Bigs]

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcQ-cYg8iA

The iP4 has so many bugs in it, hard to believe it took 3 weeks to come out with a software update, the only thing it did was show the correct signal, not the inflated one they've been showing for all these years!
I think apple (SJ) just gave a big FU to all their customers. The press conference was a joke. SJ was not happy to be there (I don't blame him, but it's his fault).
a) He never said they would actually fix anything the right way (hardware). b) He brought other phone companies into his problem.
c) He tried to placate the masses by giving something away for free (band-aid).
d) He told you how much money they spent on a test chamber (hope they get their money back, it didn't work) and on new stores.
e) He briefly said they were "hopefully" going to get a software update to fix the major problem that is on every phone, the proximity sensor. (~28 min into the video)

Here is why I returned mine, and now I'm using my 3gs again. I'll be looking for something else after apple resets my contract. Maybe I'll buy another iPhone in the future, I don't know.
1) Proximity sensor, I hated to even pick the phone up to make/receive a call because I knew I would be hitting the screen with my face.
2) The signal would drop just laying it my hand, in landscape mode. The signal drop in no big deal (even SJ said they all do it). BUT, when the signal dropped, the data rate would go to zero. Without data transfer you can't do anything.
3) Bluetooth was very poor. I have a speaker/mic set up in the car. Sometimes it would never recognize it, but most of the time it connected. Almost every call I was on people said it sounded bad (never on my 3gs).
4) Wireless signal fluctuated in my house. Never had that problem before.

After all that, the iP4 is a great gadget. It was alot of fun to "play with", but it failed miserably as a PHONE.

That is the funniest video ever and true to boot.

 

[zizo79]

Everyone has Apple Care it's called a warranty.

let me guess your phone is working perfectly and SJ was right ?

 

[falconeight]

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcQ-cYg8iA

The iP4 has so many bugs in it, hard to believe it took 3 weeks to come out with a software update, the only thing it did was show the correct signal, not the inflated one they've been showing for all these years!
I think apple (SJ) just gave a big FU to all their customers. The press conference was a joke. SJ was not happy to be there (I don't blame him, but it's his fault).
a) He never said they would actually fix anything the right way (hardware). b) He brought other phone companies into his problem.
c) He tried to placate the masses by giving something away for free (band-aid).
d) He told you how much money they spent on a test chamber (hope they get their money back, it didn't work) and on new stores.
e) He briefly said they were "hopefully" going to get a software update to fix the major problem that is on every phone, the proximity sensor. (~28 min into the video)

Here is why I returned mine, and now I'm using my 3gs again. I'll be looking for something else after apple resets my contract. Maybe I'll buy another iPhone in the future, I don't know.
1) Proximity sensor, I hated to even pick the phone up to make/receive a call because I knew I would be hitting the screen with my face.
2) The signal would drop just laying it my hand, in landscape mode. The signal drop in no big deal (even SJ said they all do it). BUT, when the signal dropped, the data rate would go to zero. Without data transfer you can't do anything.
3) Bluetooth was very poor. I have a speaker/mic set up in the car. Sometimes it would never recognize it, but most of the time it connected. Almost every call I was on people said it sounded bad (never on my 3gs).
4) Wireless signal fluctuated in my house. Never had that problem before.

After all that, the iP4 is a great gadget. It was alot of fun to "play with", but it failed miserably as a PHONE.

So why not return it. Until people start returning the phone all the crying is baseless.

Op do you have any type of common sense ?
SJ spent 100s of million of dollars on sound isolating chambers, hired the best engineers and worked his butt off for 22 days only to give you bumpers without admitting that there is something wrong with the iPhone 4. Myself and a lot of people are disappointed that Jobs did not apologize or admit that they goofed but kept being arrogant by bring out some unfounded stats (BTW, not everyone has Applecare, that is why the 0.55% called them).

Why would he apologize? For making people line up for days to pick up a phone? For making a phone that has a signal antenna? He has nothing to apologize for. You people just need to move on get another phone or its not an issue.

 

[asleep]

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcQ-cYg8iA

This video needs its own thread!

 

[Sledutah]

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcQ-cYg8iA

The iP4 has so many bugs in it, hard to believe it took 3 weeks to come out with a software update, the only thing it did was show the correct signal, not the inflated one they've been showing for all these years!
I think apple (SJ) just gave a big FU to all their customers. The press conference was a joke. SJ was not happy to be there (I don't blame him, but it's his fault).
a) He never said they would actually fix anything the right way (hardware). b) He brought other phone companies into his problem.
c) He tried to placate the masses by giving something away for free (band-aid).
d) He told you how much money they spent on a test chamber (hope they get their money back, it didn't work) and on new stores.
e) He briefly said they were "hopefully" going to get a software update to fix the major problem that is on every phone, the proximity sensor. (~28 min into the video)

Here is why I returned mine, and now I'm using my 3gs again. I'll be looking for something else after apple resets my contract. Maybe I'll buy another iPhone in the future, I don't know.
1) Proximity sensor, I hated to even pick the phone up to make/receive a call because I knew I would be hitting the screen with my face.
2) The signal would drop just laying it my hand, in landscape mode. The signal drop in no big deal (even SJ said they all do it). BUT, when the signal dropped, the data rate would go to zero. Without data transfer you can't do anything.
3) Bluetooth was very poor. I have a speaker/mic set up in the car. Sometimes it would never recognize it, but most of the time it connected. Almost every call I was on people said it sounded bad (never on my 3gs).
4) Wireless signal fluctuated in my house. Never had that problem before.

After all that, the iP4 is a great gadget. It was alot of fun to "play with", but it failed miserably as a PHONE.

So why not return it. Until people start returning the phone all the crying is baseless.

Also, my signature says it was returned.

I waited until the update and press conference to see if they would "fix" it. I think a lot of people did the same thing. So, I'd like to see the return numbers in a few weeks. I bet they don't look like they did for the conference.

 

[falconeight]

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPcQ-cYg8iA

The iP4 has so many bugs in it, hard to believe it took 3 weeks to come out with a software update, the only thing it did was show the correct signal, not the inflated one they've been showing for all these years!
I think apple (SJ) just gave a big FU to all their customers. The press conference was a joke. SJ was not happy to be there (I don't blame him, but it's his fault).
a) He never said they would actually fix anything the right way (hardware). b) He brought other phone companies into his problem.
c) He tried to placate the masses by giving something away for free (band-aid).
d) He told you how much money they spent on a test chamber (hope they get their money back, it didn't work) and on new stores.
e) He briefly said they were "hopefully" going to get a software update to fix the major problem that is on every phone, the proximity sensor. (~28 min into the video)

Here is why I returned mine, and now I'm using my 3gs again. I'll be looking for something else after apple resets my contract. Maybe I'll buy another iPhone in the future, I don't know.
1) Proximity sensor, I hated to even pick the phone up to make/receive a call because I knew I would be hitting the screen with my face.
2) The signal would drop just laying it my hand, in landscape mode. The signal drop in no big deal (even SJ said they all do it). BUT, when the signal dropped, the data rate would go to zero. Without data transfer you can't do anything.
3) Bluetooth was very poor. I have a speaker/mic set up in the car. Sometimes it would never recognize it, but most of the time it connected. Almost every call I was on people said it sounded bad (never on my 3gs).
4) Wireless signal fluctuated in my house. Never had that problem before.

After all that, the iP4 is a great gadget. It was alot of fun to "play with", but it failed miserably as a PHONE.

I loved the video drama queen. Why would you be on this forums if you hate the phone so much.

Also, my signature says it was returned.

So whats the problem?

 

[samcraig]

Well you probably should learn a little reading comprehension yourself, taking someones quote and twisting it around so it suites your argument is not comprehension it's manipulation. If you want to infer something when someone say's something than you say something like, "Well in my opinion Steve Jobs is really saying the iPhone is flawed and just trying to displace the blame on the whole cell phone market" not "Steve Jobs say's the iPhone is flawed". That way you identify that you are interjecting your opinions into it.

Again there is no "recognized flaw" in the iPhone.

Ok. Ignore the obvious and bury your hand in the sand. I'm done with this conversation. He stated that all phones have this issue. So I don't have to infer anything. He also said that "We didn't think it was going to be a big issue"

Again - there's no gray area there. Unless you're blind.

 

[acssprez1]

Take it back!

I have two IP4's and both work flawlessly! If you have a defective product, just take it back and buy a different phone. Easy resolution! I for one am quite a happy customer

 

[falconeight]

Ok. Ignore the obvious and bury your hand in the sand. I'm done with this conversation. He stated that all phones have this issue. So I don't have to infer anything. He also said that "We didn't think it was going to be a big issue"

Again - there's no gray area there. Unless you're blind.

So whats your fix a landline?

 

[ntrigue]

The OP has been officially indoctrinated. You've drank that Kool-Aid brother.

His orchestrated presentation definitely had an impact on me. I wanted to keep my iPhone 4. Then I went to the California Pizza Kitchen with my girlfriend's iPhone 3GS on 3.1.3 and my iPhone 4 on 4.0.1 and laid them on the table:

iPhone 3GS: 5 Bars
iPhone 4: 3 Bars

I picked each one up and held them in my left-hand; touching the screen with my right-hand.

iPhone 3GS: 3-5 Bars
iPhone 4: No Bars and "Could Not Activate Cellular Network"

If any non-believers would like to meet me anywhere on Monterey Peninsula and witness said event I am glad to do so. Please PM me before I return the iPhone 4 on Monday.

 

[yentrog31]

He didn't "lose" 30 million dollars. Stocks go up and down. The only way he "loses" 30 million is if he sold all his shares that day. Even then he would still be up a lot more than that since the shares were MUCH lower than 250 something per. In fact, Im not sure if he can buy shares in his contract but if so, he could have bought stock that day, making his net worth go UP.

This isn't Wall Street jargon. This is very basic math.

Blonde Buddhist

Oh to be naive again....your basic math is a bit flawed. But if you don't trade then you are just misinformed.It's only on paper till you sell is a great notion but not true..and there are very many reasons for this.I will name just a few.
1) a downturn could happen anytime..i.e the dot-com crash and the latest financial bank crisis.you may not can sell on time and that is a VERY real loss
2) big wheels(ceos,cfos,prez etc.)usually, if not all the time get stock options and they arrange beforehand to sell these at a certain date;therefore not to be accused of insider trading or stock manipulation and such.So if SJ for example had a pre-arranged stock option to sell here lately he would have lost money.
3) and lastly..the one I have some experience with(some good some bad)...day traders will sell whatever they have bought before the close that day,so as not to be surprised by a drastic act(9/11 for example) and weekends.You do not want to hold a stock when something unforeseen can happen while you are home and the market is closed.

These are just a few examples of YOU can take huge losses which I can tell you are very real.

 

[8CoreWhore]

What you saw was a plea by a guy that is losing millions by having to replace defective phones and who lost 30 million in one day in stock market plus the millions he is losing replacing phones.

Heartfelt? More like trying to flame the fire and ache in his ass where his wallet is. iPhone is a great device but for a company that charges way more than anybody else for their products, they screwed the pooch on this one. But, they do have the best support of anybody else selling cell phones.

Evidence they are losing money on the iP4 or you're liar.

 

[zizo79]

I have two IP4's and both work flawlessly! If you have a defective product, just take it back and buy a different phone. Easy resolution! I for one am quite a happy customer

You just joined to say this .....

 

[falconeight]

The OP has been officially indoctrinated. You've drank that Kool-Aid brother.

His orchestrated presentation definitely had an impact on me. I wanted to keep my iPhone 4. Then I went to the California Pizza Kitchen with my girlfriend's iPhone 3GS on 3.1.3 and my iPhone 4 on 4.0.1 and laid them on the table:

iPhone 3GS: 5 Bars
iPhone 4: 3 Bars

I picked each one up and held them in my left-hand; touching the screen with my right-hand.

iPhone 3GS: 3-5 Bars
iPhone 4: No Bars and "Could Not Activate Cellular Network"

If any non-believers would like to meet me anywhere on Monterey Peninsula and witness said event I am glad to do so. Please PM me before I return the iPhone 4 on Monday.

I am looking at my iphone and bb bold and they have the same signal anyone want to meet and have a cellphone fight just tell me when and where?

 

[Sledutah]

I loved the video drama queen. Why would you be on this forums if you hate the phone so much.

Wow, that is what you got our of my post.

 

[touchmonkey]

So why not return it. Until people start returning the phone all the crying is baseless.

I don't think you mean "baseless". "Futile" maybe?
But its not. There are already things Apple is doing because of it.
And the people upset by the complaining should consider that the complainers are desperately trying to like this product and make it work. They are not your enemies.
And the fix is a very small thing.

My roof doesn't leak if it doesn't rain.
Is it defective?
Yes.

 

[sweigner]

Your wrong you touch any antennae and it alters reception. Put your hand on any known antennae location any antennae. Gps, tv, satellite, whatever then come back and tell us what happened.

I did what you asked and touched the satellite Antenna, much to my surprise, a hologram of princess Leia shot out of my ass begging Obi Wan Kenobi for help!!