iBooks 1.2.1 Detects Some Jailbreaks, Disables iBookstore Purchases in Response

[archipellago]

Which is a fancy way of saying less than 50%.

Do you want to start a crusade against people using Hand-Brake'd movies or torrented music on their legit iPhones too?

torrented music ban on iOS?

yes absolutely... great idea, Ive fedback to Apple to see if they could do it, thanks!


handbraked'd movies....?

hmm... didn't the law change on this recently to make it ok?

if yes then fine, if not then ..another great idea.!

 

[0815]

I'm sure most people who jailbreak don't pay for their books anyways, so I doubt they care.


I'd love to see Apple implement a similar feature for the entire OS though.

Yap, that's what I also thought.

One could also see it this way: jailbreaking breaks the DRM check on iBook ... oh well, not Apples fault, while jailbreak is legal, they don't have to support things it breaks .... (well they probably added code for checking this, but again, they don't have to support jailbroken devices and they probably won't loose much money by doing that)

 

[archipellago]

But...If they do this to the core function of the phone (phone app, mail etc) then I will go out that same day to the nearest Telus store and buy a brand new Android device like the HTC Desire HD.

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good, do it now.

Apple and all non JBers want you to do this

 

[thegman1234]

Okay, here's the thing. I have an iPod Touch and an iPad, both of which are jailbroken. I knew exactly what I was getting myself into when doing this on both devices and I don't expect Apple (or anybody for that matter) to support this. I don't do anything too radical on the devices in terms of customization because frankly it unnecessarily uses resources. The only purpose I have for jailbreaking is iBluever which I legally bought off the Cydia store so I can tether my phone to the devices and have internet access when outside a WiFi zone.

As far as I see it, I bought the devices with my hard-earned money and in my eyes I can do anything I want with them because they are 100% mine, regardless of what the law says. Just because Apple is trying to protect their business from people that pirate apps doesn't mean that people like me who are honest and legitimately have a reason to jailbreak should suffer for it. What Apple did with iBooks is not wrong at all in my opinion because it only affects DRM content and publishers need to have their paranoia put to rest somehow. Besides, you have other (better) options besides iBooks such as the Amazon Kindle app.

How about we focus on more important things and we stop whining about things that do nothing but cause unnecessary stress and frankly aren't that big of a deal.

I can't comprehend your claim of honesty and legitimacy towards jailbreaking when you're using it to explicitly violate AT&T's services. Though I don't agree with AT&T charging for tethering, they do. You, having legally purchased iBluever, are still committing some sort of act of piracy. Just because you paid for it doesn't make it legal to use.

In fact, I'd venture to say that most of the apps (both free and paid) in the Cydia app store are illegal to use. It's been a very long time since I had a jailbroken iDevice (1st gen iPhone) so I have no clue what's in the Cydia app store now. The only thing I really used my jailbreak for was the multicolor charging battery and to play Pokémon Blue (which was legal because I own the cartridge, but had I downloaded a game that I do not own I would have been committing a crime).

 

[Daveoc64]

No, this is the way Apple protects the revenue stream. With out publishers that are confident that their copyrighted material is being protected, there is no iBooks or Kindle store.

This is nonsense. Amazon's Kindle Store has by far the biggest range of content in the world and some figures give it a share as high as 90% of all eBook sales, yet the DRM has been hacked for years.

The iBookstore (to this date) has not been hacked. I don't think that's because Apple's system is more secure, it's because nobody cares about doing it.

This is the very reason some authors, like J. K. Rowling publicly state they don't use digital yet for fears of piracy.

J.K. Rowling wont allow her books to be published as eBooks because she doesn't feel that an eBook is a good medium to read her books. As for fears of piracy, she's a little too late on that one. All seven Harry Potter books are available illegally online and there's no way for people to actually purchase them. If anything she's encouraging piracy.

It certainly is not the case that she fears piracy.

Hacked devices inhibit Apple's ability to monitor use of Copy-protected material. If they don't keep publishers confident, there is nothing to sell.

This simply isn't true.

Cracking the iBooks DRM would not involve using an iOS device. Apple uses a standard book format (EPUB) that many other devices use.

Anyone wanting to strip their DRM would likely not then want to use these books on an iOS device.

If they did crack the DRM system, it would involve using a computer and the output would be an unprotected EPUB file that iBooks supports (Jailbreak or no Jailbreak).

In short:

Jailbreaking your iPhone will not allow you to pirate iBooks.

It would be entirely possible to pirate iBooks WITHOUT Jailbreaking your iPhone.

 

[MarximusMG]

less apps

potential problems with apps

I hate piracy

malware potential

.....

Firstly, JBing does not equal piracy.

Secondly, less apps? JBing opens up the possibility for more apps! The only people who are getting less apps are those who willingly stay within Apple's confines.

 

[Cinemagic]

Apple is certainly within their rights to do this. When I purchased books, I purchased the rights to view the books on 5 authorized devices. I am certainly within my rights to jailbreak but in doing so, my device becomes an unauthorized device. I do not pirate apps. I purchase everything. iPhone, iPad, Apple apps, and Cydia apps. I purchased books from iBooks. I didn't cheat Apple but I sure feel like they're cheating me now. Hopefully Amazon (Kindle) sales up, iBook sales down.

 

[0815]

Only an idiot would buy a book from Apple: what you get is a totally locked, DRM-ed product, which you lose the moment you decide to switch platforms.

call me an idiot than ... but

(1) I rarely read books twice - once read, I delete and download a new one
(2) Why should I switch, I am happy with the platform - it's more a concern for people on crappy platforms
(3) When I download a book, I am usually sure that I will have that device for a couple of more days.

 

[Daveoc64]

Apple is certainly within their rights to do this. When I purchased books, I purchased the rights to view the books on 5 authorized devices. I am certainly within my rights to jailbreak but in doing so, my device becomes an unauthorized device. I do not pirate apps. I purchase everything. iPhone, iPad, Apple apps, and Cydia apps. I purchased books from iBooks. I didn't cheat Apple but I sure feel like they're cheating me now.

You didn't.

It's not currently possible to read a book purchased from the iBookstore on an authorized device.

An "Authorized Device" is a Mac or Windows PC authorized using your iTunes Store account.

You can't look at iBooks using a computer.

The iTunes Store terms and conditions don't really make any reference to Jailbreaking or modifying an iOS device.

 

[aardwolf]

torrented music ban on iOS?

yes absolutely... great idea, Ive fedback to Apple to see if they could do it, thanks!


handbraked'd movies....?

hmm... didn't the law change on this recently to make it ok?

if yes then fine, if not then ..another great idea.!

Yes, the law did change... It is legal to "rip" DVDs that you legally own for personal usage. It was part of the changes to the DMCA.

 

[tigres]

I use it for PDF viewing... It's a damn good PDF viewer too!

I agree, for PDF (try Readdle) but this is about BOOKS, not pdf's or attachments to email's.

Who reads a Book on a 3.5" screen for enjoyment? I would never read a book via the iBookstore on my iPhone-

I use the PDF viewer all the time- for quick reference of material I get via email. Don't get me wrong, iPhone is a great viewer of all things, but as a true consumption of reading full book material- sorry I pass.

 

[Mal]

You didn't.

It's not currently possible to read a book purchased from the iBookstore on an authorized device.

An "Authorized Device" is a Mac or Windows PC authorized using your iTunes Store account.

You can't look at iBooks using a computer.

The iTunes Store terms and conditions don't really make any reference to Jailbreaking or modifying an iOS device.

Is an iPad, an iPhone, or an iPod not a "device"? And are they not authorized for a particular account to use the content purchased with that account?

I don't get your post...

jW

 

[iStudentUK]

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It is this kind if thing which means I never buy DRMed stuff locked into one system.

Buy from somewhere without DRM or acquire for free.

 

[jlmitnick]

The example I quoted is a good example. Just because you paid for something, doesn't mean you're entitled to do with it whatever you want. Go buy a ticket to a theme park, and if you start cutting lines, they will kick you out without a refund even though you PAID to be there.

So yes, you are acting like you think you're entitled to do however you please.

Apparently, wanting to read a legitimately purchased iBook in iBooks on the iPhone is now considered thinking you're entitled to do however you please.

I thought it was what I paid for. I'm not asking to distribute the book, or share the book, or put it on any device. I'm simply asking to be able to do precisely the service I bought.

 

[0815]

Jailbreakers read books ????

 

[Daveoc64]

Is an iPad, an iPhone, or an iPod not a "device"? And are they not authorized for a particular account to use the content purchased with that account?

I don't get your post...

jW

Under the terms of the contract you quoted, the devices you list are not "authorized devices", so any contract term relating to an "authorized device" simply doesn't apply to them.

 

[CylonGlitch]

In the terms of eBooks, Apple is a small time player. Their selection is small and they don't have a lot of the big names behind them. Thus if a small publisher said to them, "We require you to prevent our books from working on JailBroken Devices or we are going to pull our entire library." they will listen. Where as if that same publisher says it to Amazon who is a giant in the field, Amazon may easily say, "Ok, bye!"

It really sounds like a Publisher put pressure on Apple to do this. But even if they didn't, so what, they are just trying to protect their clients and that is what they SHOULD be doing. Given the fact you can still read non-DRM content, it sounds like Apple TRIED to make everyone happy by protecting the purchased content but not totally eliminating functionality.

You really can't make everyone happy, someone is going to bitch. And in this case it seems like a bunch of people who think they deserve the world.

If you have a problem, remove the DRM from your books and then the phone will read them fine. I don't know of any way to remove the DRM from the Apple books, so for those, you may be SOL. That is why I don't by my books from Apple; I buy them at other stores where I know I can remove the DRM. Am I a thief? Nope, I buy everything, but I also like to use it in the way I want and not tied to one type of device.

 

[Synergie]

Yes, the law did change... It is legal to "rip" DVDs that you legally own for personal usage. It was part of the changes to the DMCA.

Is it not also legal to do the same with CDs you own? In fact 90% of my iTunes library is from CD's that I actually own. The other 10% is stuff I bought on iTunes on a whim when I heard a song I liked etc.

 

[aristotle]

I thought there had been a Federal ruling that jailbreaking was legal. Apple is stepping into restraint of trade territory here and I hope they get they're heads handed to them.

It is legal but that does not mean that Apple has to make it easy to do. People have to start taking responsibility for their own actions. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you make a choice then you have to be willing to live with the consequences which could include loss of data, loss of functionality or a bricked device.

 

[obsoletepower]

I can't comprehend your claim of honesty and legitimacy towards jailbreaking when you're using it to explicitly violate AT&T's services. Though I don't agree with AT&T charging for tethering, they do. You, having legally purchased iBluever, are still committing some sort of act of piracy. Just because you paid for it doesn't make it legal to use.

In fact, I'd venture to say that most of the apps (both free and paid) in the Cydia app store are illegal to use. It's been a very long time since I had a jailbroken iDevice (1st gen iPhone) so I have no clue what's in the Cydia app store now. The only thing I really used my jailbreak for was the multicolor charging battery and to play Pokémon Blue (which was legal because I own the cartridge, but had I downloaded a game that I do not own I would have been committing a crime).

First of all, I am in Canada so we do not have AT&T here and second of all, my phone is not an iPhone, it is a BlackBerry Bold and my carrier is WIND Mobile under which I am perfectly allowed to tether. I never said paying for something makes it legal but iBluever is a legal program because all it does is add the ability to use the Bluetooth Modem profile (missing from iDevices) so that you can use a data capable device as a modem over bluetooth so you can connect to the internet, that's all it does.

 

[Number 41]

Apple and all non JBers want you to do this

I'll bet if you polled the non-JBers 99.9% of them wouldn't give a fig about this issue.

But please, continue to speak from your self-created bully pulpit to educate us on how everyone out there feels.

 

[jlmitnick]

If you make a choice then you have to be willing to live with the consequences which could include loss of data, loss of functionality or a bricked device.

I agree that Apple doesn't need to SUPPORT jailbreakers. But do you think it's within Apple's right to detect if someone is jailbroken and then actively brick their device?

 

[zenio]

It was only a matter of time.

I'm sure Apple is well aware of all the hacks.

Apple AKA Big Brother, is lowering the hammer on you errant fanboys

Not closed eh?

I told you so ...ha...ha...ha...

 

[Number 41]

I agree that Apple doesn't need to SUPPORT jailbreakers. But do you think it's within Apple's right to detect if someone is jailbroken and then actively brick their device?

Sure it is, but it's really a **** move.

That's mostly what this boils down to. Apple is exercising their right to be the 800 lbs gorilla in the room for what amounts to no reason at all.

I get denying access to people you know are pirating apps, or denying access to people who are pirating books, but for the majority of JBers out there who are just adding missing functionality to their phones -- often purchasing software on Cydia to do so -- this just sucks.

This is the kind of stuff I expected from MS back in the day.

 

[Tailpike1153]

Board: Jailbreaking is cost us money?

SJ: What do you wnat me to do about?

Board: Something!

SJ: I've got it. I'll ask real nice and say please.

Board: What are you a wuss? We what strond decisive action! Now, Jobs!!!!!!!

SJ: OK. I need mecenaries. 346,722 black bags. Flash bang grenades. Lots of silly hammers. And medical leave.

Board: Steve, what are you about to do?

SJ: Not sure yet. But is leaving a flaming bag of poo on someone's door a crime in America...Europe...Asia...Africa...South America really a crime?