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The only thing I really used my jailbreak for was the multicolor charging battery and to play Pokémon Blue (which was legal because I own the cartridge, but had I downloaded a game that I do not own I would have been committing a crime).

Before your horse gets too high to climb off I'll point out that just because you had the cartridge does not give you the right to download an app. Morally fine I agree, but legally no.
 
Before your horse gets too high to climb off I'll point out that just because you had the cartridge does not give you the right to download an app. Morally fine I agree, but legally no.

In some countries that would be legally fine.

The UK has one of the worst sets of copyright laws in the world.
 
If its a method to enforce DRM, why has apple gone about it by preventing access to paid for, drm covered files?
The last jailbreak i had performed did not remove the drm settings on ibooks, i dont think any of the new ones do either.
 
In some countries that would be legally fine.

The UK has one of the worst sets of copyright laws in the world.

I agree UK needs to sort things out, but in the US I believe this would be illegal too (I think I remember reading about an MP3 case along similar lines- it escapes me now).
 
"less" vs. "fewer"

A recent post had:

Yes. Developers complain about massive app thefts, and some give up after their servers melt. Resulting in less App store revenue for Apple, less developers, and thus eventually less apps available for all customers.

Not trying to play the language policeman role here, but I thought that some may appreciate my pointing out a subtlety in the English usage of "less" and "fewer". Especially for non-native speakers of English, there's a simple rule to help decide if "less" or "fewer" is the proper word.

The rule is "less is analogue, fewer is digital". (For non-techies, this would be "less is abstract, fewer is concrete (or countable)".)

For example, "I have less money, and fewer Euros". "Less" is used with an abstract (non-countable) concept of "money", and "fewer" with a countable concept of "Euros".

So, it would be more appropriate for the quoted line to be:

Resulting in less App store revenue for Apple, fewer developers, and thus eventually fewer apps available for all customers.

"Revenue" is abstract, but "developers" and "apps" are countable. (If you cite "revenue" as "dollars" - then it's countable and you'd say "fewer dollars".)

But, in keeping with the English language's complete lack of consistency - "more" applies to both analogue and digital. You can have "more" dollars and "more" money.
 
Why would anyone rate this positive?

Probably the people who don't know what jailbreaking is and incorrectly lump all jailbreaking with piracy or nefarious behavior, and they are happy to see these people having a harder time.
 
Yes. Because AT&T and Apple told us there would be tethering, and when they DID come out with it, it required me to give up FOREVER my unlimited data plan. No grandfathering. I call BS on that, and decided I needed to jailbreak just to tether at a cost that was reasonable for the little I use it in the field (literally). It is the only reason I have a jailbreak.

As far as modifying my iOS, I purchased an ibook to read and can't read it now... fine. They are not instituting a measure to protect from piracy, they are instigating a reason for someone to actually strip their DRM.

I have purchased over $100 in Kindle books in the last 2 months between my wife and I, so I have no intention of pirating if I can legally purchase and use what I purchased. At the time, my purchase worked fine on iBooks, they changed the software to prevent it.

I don't expect Apple to support my device, because I jailbroke it. I expect Apple to not actively determine if my device is jailbroken, and disable the device or an application on it because it is. It is no different then them intentionally bricking a phone with an update because it has a user modification.

This is enough for me to say bye bye. I will go back to my Linux boxes and move over to android, on principle. I will think long and hard before purchasing another Mac Pro, Macbook or anything else Apple. Apple thinks themselves holier then thou, sort of reminds me of another company wanting to put anti-piracy software into the CPU's. I converted over to :apple: machines after running pirated OSX on a PC... I would have never done so, but after trying the hackintosh version, I actually liked it and guess what? PURCHASED a Mac Pro. Since I have spent a lot of money on their hardware and software. This is BS, so Linux runs nicely, and dual booting Linux/Windows is just as much fun as OSX/Windows (windows is only for gaming and programing my m/c tuners). I am just tired of the BS plays they make.

So you knowingly modify the software because you don't want to pay AT&T? What's more, you know that Apple will not support un-authorized modifications such as your own. Yet, you seem appalled that Apple would institute a measure to protect against piracy, which is known to occur frequently under a modified iOS ... the same modified iOS that you know they don't support? I fail to see the logic.

For the record, I am not implying you are a pirate, or anyone on here for that matter. I am merely pointing out that we all agree to license the iOS on our devices under Apple's EULA. If one wished to jailbreak to stick it to AT&T or to add features, more power to them. But to expect Apple to support your device and deviate from the terms you agreed to is silly.



Why should you be refunded? You purchased content from Apple that requires an Apple application to view. Apple is clear that its software is only supported on un-modified iOS. You didn't lose any content. Apple provides a way to view your content ... by using the officially supported software.
 
Surely the propensity and opportunity to pirate is much greater on a JB device?

CD burners also have legitimate uses, JB arguably doesn't.
QUOTE]

Totally wrong. Jailbreaking does have legitimate uses. I'll name only one, since it is my primary reason for jailbreaking - iBlacklist. My cell phone is my primary phone. I have no need for a phone in my house since I have a good signal any pay AT&T too much for a good plan. Unfortunately for me, I'm on a few telemarketers' call list. Will they remove me when I ask? No. Does being on the National Do Not Call Registry list make a difference? No. Can I get these pests to stop calling me? No. iBlacklist to the rescue. One call from them and I can block their number. When they call now, they get a busy signal. I'm no longer bothered by them. AT&T won't let me block more than three numbers and if I use their pathetic service, it costs $15 a month. I need to block more than three numbers. AT&T is totally useless in telemarketer call prevention. Maybe they want telemarketers calling. More chargable minutes to me. Mr. Jobs will not allow me to block calls on my iPhone. He has not allowed any apps that will do this into his app store. Maybe his vision of the user experience is that I receive calls from telemarketers at all hours of the day and night. But that's not my desired user experience. No other phone that I know of allows a blocked call list. But jailbreaking my iPhone and installing iBlacklist gives me this control and freedom from telemarketers.

Bottom line, there ARE legitimate uses for jailbreaking. This is merely one.
 
Firstly, JBing does not equal piracy.

Secondly, less apps?

Yes. Less apps. A developer isn't going to invest in (and pay employees for) creating as many new apps if they find most potential customers are downloading them for free. Especially if that melts the developers servers.

And analytics says that almost half of JB devices have modified apps on them. That's close enough to equal for many in the development community. Especially compared to the zero modified apps on stock OS devices. It's the neighbors you keep.
 
Has the DRM on iBooks actually been broken by jailbreaking?

Not that I'm aware of.

It doesn't matter. With the stock OS, Apple can tell the content owners "we know of no way someone can circumvent our DRM checks." With a jailbroken OS, they can't make that claim. It IS that simple.

CD burners also have legitimate uses, JB arguably doesn't.

Jailbreaking also has legitimate uses. The lock info app, fake operator, programs that are legitmate but otherwise violate Apple's developer rules like anything under GPL, etc. I'd love to have GPG on the phone, but as long as Apple's rules contradict GPL, that won't happen.
 
It doesn't matter. With the stock OS, Apple can tell the content owners "we know of no way someone can circumvent our DRM checks." With a jailbroken OS, they can't make that claim. It IS that simple.

No it's not. If the iBooks DRM is ever cracked, it will not involve Jailbroken iPhones and the cracked books will work in iBooks running on a "genuine" iOS device.
 
Surely the propensity and opportunity to pirate is much greater on a JB device?

CD burners also have legitimate uses, JB arguably doesn't.
QUOTE]

Totally wrong. Jailbreaking does have legitimate uses. I'll name only one, since it is my primary reason for jailbreaking - iBlacklist. My cell phone is my primary phone. I have no need for a phone in my house since I have a good signal any pay AT&T too much for a good plan. Unfortunately for me, I'm on a few telemarketers' call list. Will they remove me when I ask? No. Does being on the National Do Not Call Registry list make a difference? No. Can I get these pests to stop calling me? No. iBlacklist to the rescue. One call from them and I can block their number. When they call now, they get a busy signal. I'm no longer bothered by them. AT&T won't let me block more than three numbers and if I use their pathetic service, it costs $15 a month. I need to block more than three numbers. AT&T is totally useless in telemarketer call prevention. Maybe they want telemarketers calling. More chargable minutes to me. Mr. Jobs will not allow me to block calls on my iPhone. He has not allowed any apps that will do this into his app store. Maybe his vision of the user experience is that I receive calls from telemarketers at all hours of the day and night. But that's not my desired user experience. No other phone that I know of allows a blocked call list. But jailbreaking my iPhone and installing iBlacklist gives me this control and freedom from telemarketers.

Bottom line, there ARE legitimate uses for jailbreaking. This is merely one.

I wish I could install that on my home phone.
 
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It is this kind if thing which means I never buy DRMed stuff locked into one system.

Buy from somewhere without DRM or acquire for free.

hmm. you mean steal then?
 
I agree that Apple doesn't need to SUPPORT jailbreakers. But do you think it's within Apple's right to detect if someone is jailbroken and then actively brick their device?

well, they aren't actually doing that, but if they did then yes I'd support it.

You broke the agreement you originally agreed to, you no longer have the right to use the software at all.
 
Two possible outcomes to this:

1) People restore their jailbroken iPhones, losing access to the apps (some paid) from Cydia, in order to read the book

2) People just pirate the book, and won't waste their time paying for more books in the future.


I wonder which option will be more popular.

There's a third option: Buy the book from Amazon or B&N, then strip the DRM, convert to epub and read it in Stanza or however you want.

For me this is the only option, since I won't buy a book that's tied to one device, and I won't pirate them. I want to pay and I want to use my nook collection on the next great e-book reader if it's not a nook. There's no way I'm going to re-buy all my books.
 
And analytics says that almost half of JB devices have modified apps on them. That's close enough to equal for many in the development community. Especially compared to the zero modified apps on stock OS devices. It's the neighbors you keep.


could you post a link to these analytics id be interested in viewing them?
 
Probably the people who don't know what jailbreaking is and incorrectly lump all jailbreaking with piracy or nefarious behavior, and they are happy to see these people having a harder time.

i've asked before and i'll ask again...


why click agree then...??
 
could you post a link to these analytics id be interested in viewing them?

Same here. Does that firm also disclose how it gets those numbers?

I'll just keep asking firewood until he kindly provides us with his source :)
 
oh noez....can't read iBooks if I'm JB'd? :rolleyes:

Of the 250+ books I've got in iBooks currently, all of four were not purchased though iBooks, and most of them were free (legally) in the first place; no DRM.

Shouldn't affect them, should I choose to jailbreak.
 
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