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i've asked before and i'll ask again...


why click agree then...??

You mean the adhesion contract that you're forced to sign to use the items you've purchased?

We get it, you're one of those people who never takes the tag off your mattress. Nice bit.
 
Yes. Less apps. A developer isn't going to invest in (and pay employees for) creating as many new apps if they find most potential customers are downloading them for free. Especially if that melts the developers servers.

That's great and all except that piracy has been a problem on every platform and every hardware configuration for decades. It has not stopped or slowed down development in anyway.

In fact, I'd argue that piracy of something overpriced can potentially lead to lower prices, which would in turn increase revenue.
 
i've asked before and i'll ask again...


why click agree then...??

Did you know that in the ToS it says:

Apple reserves the right to modify, suspend, or discontinue the Service (or any part or content thereof) at any time with or without notice to you, and Apple will not be liable to you or to any third party should it exercise such rights.

In fact it has all sorts of ridiculous things that basically say Apple can do whatever it wants whenever it wants.

You agreed to that. So just out of curiosity if Apple decided to single out you and disable your iPhone, and all content you've ever bought, for no reason (which arguably in the ToS they can do), you'd have no problem? You agreed to it, right?
 
You mean the adhesion contract that you're forced to sign to use the items you've purchased?

We get it, you're one of those people who never takes the tag off your mattress. Nice bit.

This.

There are MANY things in the Apple ToS that would never be held up in court. I'm not saying this current action is one of them, but to act as though ToS's control everything is naive.
 
I said this in another thread - it's really s****y of Apple to allow you to purchase iBooks content on your jailbroken device and then block you from using it. If they're going to take this approach to dealing with jailbroken devices, then the right thing to do is to disable you from being able to buy their books in the first place. Otherwise, they're taking your money and then denying you access to content that you legally purchased, and that is extremely low of Apple.

Nobody's denying you access to your content; the error message clearly states what you need to do in order to access it. :)

--START RANT--

Napster's dead, get-over it, grow-up, cut your hair, get a job, be a grown up, and join the rest of us who pay for our music, movies, and software, don't use torrents, and abide by society, hardware manufacturer and software developer's rules.

--END RANT--
 
Yes. Because AT&T and Apple told us there would be tethering, and when they DID come out with it, it required me to give up FOREVER my unlimited data plan. No grandfathering. I call BS on that, and decided I needed to jailbreak just to tether at a cost that was reasonable for the little I use it in the field (literally). It is the only reason I have a jailbreak.

As far as modifying my iOS, I purchased an ibook to read and can't read it now... fine. They are not instituting a measure to protect from piracy, they are instigating a reason for someone to actually strip their DRM.

I have purchased over $100 in Kindle books in the last 2 months between my wife and I, so I have no intention of pirating if I can legally purchase and use what I purchased. At the time, my purchase worked fine on iBooks, they changed the software to prevent it.

I don't expect Apple to support my device, because I jailbroke it. I expect Apple to not actively determine if my device is jailbroken, and disable the device or an application on it because it is. It is no different then them intentionally bricking a phone with an update because it has a user modification.

This is enough for me to say bye bye. I will go back to my Linux boxes and move over to android, on principle. I will think long and hard before purchasing another Mac Pro, Macbook or anything else Apple. Apple thinks themselves holier then thou, sort of reminds me of another company wanting to put anti-piracy software into the CPU's. I converted over to :apple: machines after running pirated OSX on a PC... I would have never done so, but after trying the hackintosh version, I actually liked it and guess what? PURCHASED a Mac Pro. Since I have spent a lot of money on their hardware and software. This is BS, so Linux runs nicely, and dual booting Linux/Windows is just as much fun as OSX/Windows (windows is only for gaming and programing my m/c tuners). I am just tired of the BS plays they make.

lol, principle....

so AT&T now give you a legal option to tether but you choose not to use because 'hey it costs more than I think it should for what I use it for'

and so your principles force you to move to another platform?

win for all iOS users me thinks.


joke of an argument....
 
You agreed to that. So just out of curiosity if Apple decided to single out you and disable your iPhone, and all content you've ever bought, for no reason (which arguably in the ToS they can do), you'd have no problem? You agreed to it, right?

He clicked Agree. All bets are off.
 
That's great and all except that piracy has been a problem on every platform and every hardware configuration for decades. It has not stopped or slowed down development in anyway.

In fact, I'd argue that piracy of something overpriced can potentially lead to lower prices, which would in turn increase revenue.

How do you know it has not slowed development? There are no numbers to compare against .... (but I also assume the same thing)

Anyway: I think the "Piracy Problem" is way over-blown. 99% of the so called pirates would anyway not buy the software - so not much lost. On the positive side, if it is good software it might become more 'famous' and more people buy the legal version since 'everybody is using it' (The Windows-Effect)
 
lol.

Now I can't read Winnie-the-Pooh on my iPod touch, a book included they included with the installation of iBooks, because my device is jailbroken.

Looks like I'm downgrading to the old iBooks app.
 
Napster's dead, get-over it, grow-up, cut your hair, get a job, be a grown up, and join the rest of us who pay for our music, movies, and software, don't use torrents, and abide by society, hardware manufacturer and software developer's rules.

I agree about piracy, but why should you care what Apple says you should do with your phone? It's your device. You own it. You can do whatever the hell you want with it. Honda can't force me not to drive my car to certain towns. Sony can't tell me not to tune my TV to certain stations. Microsoft can't tell me not to install certain Windows programs. What is so freaking special about a phone (or touchscreen iPod, or a tablet) that suddenly the manufacturer has any right to tell you what to do with your property?

If being a grown up means blindly listening to the whims of a huge company, without even considering that I don't have to do so, I'll pass.
 
You mean the adhesion contract that you're forced to sign to use the items you've purchased?

We get it, you're one of those people who never takes the tag off your mattress. Nice bit.

We get it, you're one of those people who never thinks others should gather income from their intellectual property/work. Nice bit.
 
There's a third option: Buy the book from Amazon or B&N, then strip the DRM, convert to epub and read it in Stanza or however you want.

For me this is the only option, since I won't buy a book that's tied to one device, and I won't pirate them. I want to pay and I want to use my nook collection on the next great e-book reader if it's not a nook. There's no way I'm going to re-buy all my books.

You can actually then read them in the iBooks app on a JB device because there is no DRM.

BTW, I agree with you. I don't think this eBook war is over, and until there is a clear winner, I'm not giving cash to ANY DRM. Thus I'll only buy books that are DRM free, or can be made to be DRM free.
 
\--START RANT--

Napster's dead, get-over it, grow-up, cut your hair, get a job, be a grown up, and join the rest of us who pay for our music, movies, and software, don't use torrents, and abide by society, hardware manufacturer and software developer's rules.

--END RANT--

Like I said before, I'm so glad Jobs and Woz didn't listen to people like you when they were 20.
 
Did you know that in the ToS it says:



In fact it has all sorts of ridiculous things that basically say Apple can do whatever it wants whenever it wants.

You agreed to that. So just out of curiosity if Apple decided to single out you and disable your iPhone, and all content you've ever bought, for no reason (which arguably in the ToS they can do), you'd have no problem? You agreed to it, right?


well, given your past record of nonsense I'd like proof a clause as described exists but...

I'd have a problem with it cos I like using it and I would ask Apple for a reason for doing so before considering what else to do.
 
What is so freaking special about a phone (or touchscreen iPod, or a tablet) that suddenly the manufacturer has any right to tell you what to do with your property?

No one is saying you can't do things with your phone, go ahead. But understand there may be limitations with some software after doing some things to your phone. And it looks like you've run into one of them.

Now, did you also know that many Windows games will not run if you have a debugger running? Did you know that Blizzard will ban a WoW account if it detects things like this running? Oh how evil of them, right?
 
We get it, you're one of those people who never thinks others should gather income from their intellectual property/work. Nice bit.

Nice strawman.

Show me once where I've advocated piracy. JB'ing does not equal piracy any more than simply having Vuze downloaded on your Mac indicates you're stealing music and movies. I use Vuze every day to legally trade and share concerts from bands with open taping policies. I purchase software from Cydia to let me manage my calander on my iPhone (something Apple is still behind the OLD version of WinMo on) and generally improve my user experience.

What's being argued here is that people are somehow "bad' because they aren't following a 50 page "Agreement" (which, mind you, offers the consumer no ability to bargain over terms or reach any kind of meeting of the minds -- it's a take it or leave it situation) that governs exactly how they're supposed to use the $800 piece of technology they purchased.

Whatever. We're all pirates. Arrrrghhhhhh.
 
Paid app developers. There are over 30 thousand of them.

I'm a paid app developer. Several of my apps have piracy problems. I also own a jailbroken iPhone, and have helped a couple of my friends jailbreak theirs.

Jailbreaking enables piracy, but that is not its only purpose.

Software piracy exists on Mac and Windows, but I don't see anyone arguing for code-signing requirements on those platforms.
 
Definitely lame on Apple's part and only shoots them in the foot. Now those who have jail broken their iPad will just go find eBooks that don't have DRM. That only serves for Apple to LOSE money from the iBook store. Dumb.
 
A recent post had:



Not trying to play the language policeman role here, but I thought that some may appreciate my pointing out a subtlety in the English usage of "less" and "fewer". Especially for non-native speakers of English, there's a simple rule to help decide if "less" or "fewer" is the proper word.

The rule is "less is analogue, fewer is digital". (For non-techies, this would be "less is abstract, fewer is concrete (or countable)".)

For example, "I have less money, and fewer Euros". "Less" is used with an abstract (non-countable) concept of "money", and "fewer" with a countable concept of "Euros".

So, it would be more appropriate for the quoted line to be:



"Revenue" is abstract, but "developers" and "apps" are countable. (If you cite "revenue" as "dollars" - then it's countable and you'd say "fewer dollars".)

But, in keeping with the English language's complete lack of consistency - "more" applies to both analogue and digital. You can have "more" dollars and "more" money.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of those usage rules. Something about that passage hurt my head but I didn't care enough about what they author was writing to try and figure it out. :)
 
The term Jailbreak should be changed...it gives a bad facade

The term JB should be changed...

iOS is built on the OSX platform, which many know and love. The ecosystem in which Apple created with iOS serves many (the whole if you will) with great intentions of user driven simplicity. It works well as is, why change it.

The issue that many continue to try and drive this bus with is that iPhone/iPad are a closed File System, which is completely contradictory of it's big brother OSX. You can do whatever you want on your Mac, and even automate the process you wish to drive.

iPhone and iPad have been given chains and locks to it's filesystem. You see, there is really no fundamental difference in the two systems other than iOS being dummied down to run on a smaller version of a computer (Hence iPhone).

Be that as it may, Jailbreaking or (iOS freeing) is nothing more than using the phone as a computer. There is no inherit danger in using it for more than Apple's intended approved purpose other than what Apple want's you or the mainstream to believe.

Torrenting, stealing, DRM, hacking (and the like) have been around for years, and will continue to be around for many more. There is nothing to differentiate doing this on iPhone vs a Mac or PC. I for one see no issue with freeing iOS and opening it up for the device owners needs. I do not condone stealing, however this is the main sticking point when the JB is discussed. When people privatize or "customize" their respected PC/Mac's, I don't see the same arguments from others that we see about this process and iPhone.

The general consensus seems to be that if you are against JB'ing or freeing your iPhone's File System, then the main question to ask yourself is why? What really is wrong with using the iPhone as a computer which is EXACTLY what it is?

Really, I don't understand how these back and forth illegal discussions on JB'ing devices continues. It's your device, the tools are built by a community that shares similar thoughts and beliefs to write code to open it up and use. So, if you want an open system great, if not- good for you- your not the audience this is for.
 
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