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iCloud Development Held Up By 'Deep Organizational Issues' at Apple

miniroll32 said:
In short, it has nowhere near the level of functionality that it should do. Apple clearly want to compete with established services like Dropbox and OneDrive, but rather than emulating the simplicity of file-folder hierarchies and similar management on mobile devices, they've built upon the convoluted system of apps having 'containers'. This makes no sense at all - if you turn iCloud Drive ON, why should you have deal with these containers and their aliases?

What's worse is that Apple expect people to use their service on a day-to-day basis for work. Unless they out the file management on iOS, they'll continue to trail behind.
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My sentiments exactly. Well said buddy!
 
sualpine said:
If you don't like change, you're on the wrong website talking about the wrong company...

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Mobile Me, dude. Mobile Me.
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Sure, Steve has made his ******* ups, but Steve, I'm sure, would have kept the "organisational issues" at bay.

Apple might be getting too big, and being run by a non-visionaire, and a board which is divided. Therefore decisions by consensus.
That doesn't mean that Apple is doomed (or whatever), but we have to start to get used to these kind of issues.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Sure, Steve has made his ******* ups, but Steve, I'm sure, would have kept the "organisational issues" at bay.

Apple might be getting too big, and being run by a non-visionaire, and a board which is divided. Therefore decisions by consensus.
That doesn't mean that Apple is doomed (or whatever), but we have to start to get used to these kind of issues.
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Really? What inside information do you have on the board being divided?

Please...do tell.

:rolleyes:
 
Metadata bug

I appreciate where Apple is going with iPhoto cloud library. It will simplify my life somewhat and I'm looking forward to a time when it all just works.

However, at this point in time there is a Metadata bug. I can't believe other people haven't talked much about it. With older scanned photos I create a metadata header and then edit the metadata and upload them the iCloud Photo library ... but it won't read the time information. I have tried using iPhoto, Picasa, Adobe Bridge and a command-line tool to change the metadata without success. I am thinking that if they are still working on macro-level aspects of this service it might be months before a small bug like this is fixed.:confused:
 
If they had only backed up Steve's consciousness to iCloud. He could have continued to harass the development team to perfect it and get it done on time...either that or he would have tried to take over the world by turning everyone into bio-engineered cyborgs.
 
I don't mind the delay as when Apple does something, it's "done right". Please continue to delay a robust cloud solution as long as it takes. Other companies may have a solution in place that works flawlessly, but it certainly must be done wrong. :rolleyes:
 
Not surprising. I know someone who went to Apple's campus on business, he told me that he was surprised at how segregated each product group is - communication is very limited. I think this is why products such as iCloud are pretty crappy.
 
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Would anyone with a subscription to The Information be kind enough to provide a PDF or TXT of the article referenced? Thanks.
 
Apple totally blew iCloud Drive. All they had to do was copy Dropbox. I tried iCloud Drive, I don't know which files are syncing, which have been synced, etc. There are no icon/sync indicators, etc. There is no sync interface in the menubar so I can see what's going on. It's just horrible. Reminds me of MobileMe all over again. I can't believe they keep getting it wrong.

So I'm back to Drobox. It's the most expensive, but I've tried everything else and it works the best, hands down.

Plus, I DO NOT trust my cloud files with Apple, I just don't. They have to win me over because of all the heartache I've been through with them since .mac.

You would think iCloud Drive on my Mac would be a suitable replacement for Dropbox. But no. So I pay Dropbox $99/year instead of paying Apple.
 
rdinterman said:
As much as an Apple fanboy that I am, iCloud continues to be a mess and sometimes very slow. Lately I have been impressed with Microsoft Apps for iOS and OneDrive, so I may transition to that. Syncing seems to be more seamless and the web interface is definitely speedier.
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My feelings exactly. I can sync faster in Dropbox than anything with iCloud. Sad to see.

These "deep organizational issues" need to be resolved pronto or the competition will start to eat Apple for lunch a lot quicker than anyone would like to think.
 
ginkobiloba said:
Just out of curiosity : what issues are you people having with iCloud Drive ?
The few times I used it ( I'm a long time Dropbox user, and rely mostly on it ) everything was smooth, I haven't noticed anything bad.
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Let's see:
- random photos missing from my photostream on other devices
- photos that reappear in photostreams after you delete them
- files in iCloud enabled apps that refuse to sync (stuck on Waiting forever)
- calendar invites that keep coming back after accepting or ignoring them
- iTunes match unreliable and slow (seems to be better with iTunes 12)
- unable to easily backup iCloud files
- reminders, contacts, calendar out of sync
- iMessages reported as Delivered while they are not
- FaceTime devices not ringing when you call them
- apps that rely on iCloud sync hang in ios 8
- slooowwwwwwww (yes, still as slow as iDisk or MobileMe)

not a bug but horrible design:
- the need to delete photos both in the camera roll and photo stream
- the iCloud website looking like a fisher price toy
- the app specific folders in iCloud drive
- the inability to share iWork documents in the two months leading up to the release of iOS 8. Because they were working on a new version. Really?? It didn't get a lot of attention, because, let's face it, nobody uses that feature.
- etc
 
zorinlynx said:
My biggest problem with the whole iCloud Photo Library is the "all or nothing" approach Apple seems to have towards it.

For example, enabling it will disable the ability to sync photos from Aperture or iPhoto to your phone. Completely.

It's as if Apple expects me to upload my entire photo collection (several hundred GB) to the cloud to be able to continue to do what I do now, which is view selected parts of my photo library on my phone.

Not. Bloody. Likely.

Photos are among the most important data I have. They are irreplaceable. A few are private and I don't want them on the Internet. Apple has also failed to tell us exactly how we are supposed to BACK UP the iCloud Photo Library. All indications point to the cloud library being authoritative. Does Apple really expect us to trust them with the ONLY authoritative copy of our photos? Are they insane?

They did not think this through. Hopefully the delays mean they ARE thinking it through now and will implement it properly. However, I'm not holding my breath and I'm keeping my options open for now.
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Keep in mind I agree with you here. But that said, you can download the authoritative copy to your computer or iDevice if you want. Currently, I'm doing that with important photos and then backing those up to my Box account. Not convenient, sure, but it gives me two offsite copies of the most important data.
 
furi0usbee said:
Apple totally blew iCloud Drive. All they had to do was copy Dropbox. I tried iCloud Drive, I don't know which files are syncing, which have been synced, etc. There are no icon/sync indicators, etc. There is no sync interface in the menubar so I can see what's going on. It's just horrible. Reminds me of MobileMe all over again. I can't believe they keep getting it wrong.

So I'm back to Drobox. It's the most expensive, but I've tried everything else and it works the best, hands down.

Plus, I DO NOT trust my cloud files with Apple, I just don't. They have to win me over because of all the heartache I've been through with them since .mac.

You would think iCloud Drive on my Mac would be a suitable replacement for Dropbox. But no. So I pay Dropbox $99/year instead of paying Apple.
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iCloud drive is not for "Syncing". It's simply online storage. Stop thinking of it as Dropbox and you'll be OK.
 
deluxeshredder said:
I have always found iCloud to be a shocking mess, so I'm not sure how these "Deep Organisational Issues" are news.
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I concur. iCloud often just has no apparent logic to it. People are getting confused either because it tends to complicate things rather than making them easier or because the implementation is haphazard. It's just astonishing what kind of mess Apple has made, it is no where near their famous attention to detail and polish.

iCloud on my iPhone 4 is unusable know because it doesn't support iCloud Drive.
 
I turned on iphoto on my phone and I lost access to my photostream. Now all I have are the photos from the camera roll that was uploaded to photos. Same thing happened to my wife. What is strange is that when I go into iphoto or aperature, i still see the photo stream. What a hot mess. They have a photostream of my pictures (1000) that I can no longer access from my phone. Instead they now want me to create photo shares through iphoto so that I can access them on my phone. basically storing them twice on their servers one that I can see and one that is hidden.

I am keeping my iphoto library as the main source for my pictures (all 20k of them). I have a time capsule to back up my computers at home and I was thinking on using the new iCloud drive for an external backup. It seems time machine cannot work with icloud drive. another hot mess. So they have no offsite backup integration with their cloud solution. Really?

I know its beta, but they should have come out with a little better integration among their own products. Sure, they will get there, but now it just a very hot mess.
 
haha, funny this, I have always considered any of Apple's online services to be behind the competition. They also have some very strange pricing structure for storage, I use One Drive and get 30GB for free but Apple want to charge 79p a month for 20GB, not a lot of money but it's still less storage that is less compatible for a monthly fee...

So this report is no surprise, cloud services are the one thing Apple doesn't do at all well and if it wants to compete, it needs to pull it's head out of the sand and start competing better.

Sorry but my photos are important and they stay on my One Drive and my Mac and my Time Capsule backups and that's as far as Apple will be going with access to them. In fact I used an app I had to buy and One Drive in order to collect all our photos from an iPad we have, our doggy had to be out down and I wanted all the photos of him, and thanks to the great people on here they advised me on what I had to do just to get our photos off an iPad with iOS 8!
It is all done now but it was such a stupid faff to go through just because of Apple, they made something that was simple and 'just worked' into a right nightmare and a difficult task!

I mean I had to ask for help from members on here how to get photos off an iPad onto a Mac because Apple broke it! Makes you wonder what are they doing in Cupertino these day's.

Anyway rant over...
 
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This is to be expected. Apple have always sucked at cloud stuff. I still shudder at the thought of MobileMe. Can't believe I paid £99 for that useless junk.

I hope they work it out and get iCloud to a standard that can be considered good.
 
There does seem to be some problems out there...

Hard to deny that iCloud Photos is barely a beta, which is pretty disappointing. I'm wondering if anyone has successfully uploaded an image to iCloud Photos from the iCloud.com browser page? I've tried it with a number of different images (jpgs only) and recieve an error, something about network/connectivity issues. No problems when moving the same file to Dropbox/OneDrive/Google/Box.... If anyone has had success, how does iCloud Photo handle the file meta data? Does in muck up the File Creation date? I'm assuming they don't mess with the EXIF data but these are the things I have to know before I trust them with my personal library (about 97K photos at last count). Right now I'm using iCloud Photos only as my gateway to go from iPhone to Mac (pull from the cloud is still working, it's just buried deep in Yosemite/Library), I then have a Hazel rule to copy the file from the iWorkAssets folder and move it to a separate location, which is then moved to Flickr & OneDrive (kind of belt & suspenders for cloud storage), another copy is moved to my NAS, and then pushed up to CrashPlan for archival/backup. But that only works for new iPhone photos... If I had more comfort in iCloud Photos, I'd probably eliminate both Flickr & OneDrive, but since the Mac iPhoto replacement isn't ready and iCloud Photo uploads aren't working....I'm having to create all my own solutions. Sadly my mom and the rest of my family are screwed since they don't have nearly the technical resolve that I do.... I really hope Apple get's this straightened out soon, but I fear we're all going to be very disappointed until mid 2015...if we're lucky.
 
I prefer DropBox for this .....

A while back, DropBox for iOS offered to start uploading my photos from my phone to its cloud storage automatically. I've found that's a far more useful solution than messing around with Apple's half-baked ideas.

I can still drag and drop anything out of my DropBox folder into iPhoto if I want to keep it there -- but I get the reassurance that every new picture I take with my phone gets stored someplace, as soon as my phone is within range of a wi-fi connection.
 
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