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Honestly I think this is a bit alarmist. I have had few problems with iOS 8: fewer than iOS 7 and even that was not so bad in its first few months before it smoothed out.

Thinner and thinner makes for nice lightweight products that I personally appreciate. It trades off in battery for some devices but there is the iPhone 6+ if that is a concern.

Have you held the Apple Watch yet? I am personally reserving judgement about its success until we have had a chance to play with it.

It may be a bit alarmist, but if alarm rings too late then it's too late. There issues with Yosemite, issues with icloud, issues with iOS 8. I personally seen "blue screen of death" several times when iPhone suddenly rebooted, and it never happened to me before since iOS 3.
 
Had an interesting experience at an Apple Store recently. Dropped by and asked a genius if he could explain iCloud Photo Library to me a little better and in particular what would happen if I switched it on, when I'm relying on Photostream right now to upload my iPhone pics over to my iMac and save them automatically in iPhoto.

He really couldn't help much. Said since it was a beta, he wasn't trained on it at all and couldn't really explain much of anything to me about it.

He did take time to lecture me that by having a shared iTunes account with my wife, I'm basically stealing all the apps we share. :rolleyes:
 
Why would you need to delete a photo from Photostream and Recently Deleted? You don't have to worry about those; just let them auto-delete on their own timeline -- unless the photo is something really scandalous and you want to remove all traces of it immediately? (and how often does that scenario come up for your mom? ;) )

for someone that has a 16GB model, and takes pics all the time, space is precious.

mom was diagnosed with OCD. she deletes .txt files off of the 2x4TB PC because she thinks it'll make the hard drive lighter. so many things wrong with that sentence, but its true.
 
iCloud Development Held Up By 'Deep Organizational Issues' at Apple

I said it many times and I'll say it again. Blame Edy Cue. He is the cause of all cloud related services.

Apple cloud and web services are big disappointment.

Just food for thought, Why adding new products need to bring down online Apple Store?

Amazon much more products to maintain and they never need to bring it down when introducing new product
 
The agenda should be: get rid of iTunes and icloud.

Seriously, why do i need iTunes to copy music to my iPad? Isn't apple about "ease of use"? ITunes is the most inconvenient piece of bloatware imaginable, simply because it's being forced on the users. On my android, i connect it and copy over music, films and data like on a USB drive. Done.


I have to agree with not wanting to be forced into using iTunes. I've gotten so used to drag and drop for videos in my other non-native apps, this is so frustrating - I've actually stopped doing it.

I just subscribe to Spotify now.
 
It may be a bit alarmist, but if alarm rings too late then it's too late. There issues with Yosemite, issues with icloud, issues with iOS 8. I personally seen "blue screen of death" several times when iPhone suddenly rebooted, and it never happened to me before since iOS 3.

What issues with Yosemite have you seen? I have been a Beta tester since July. It has come a LONG way. I personally have not had to file a report for weeks now.

The last iOS sudden restart my iPhone had was shortly after the iOS7 release if memory serves. How frequent are the restarts? Which phone are you using? There may be more going on than the iOS version. Are you near an Apple Store that can examine it if needs be?

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9 pages of kds1 defending Apple. Nice....

He is prolific and I personally find he is generally making points I can agree with.
 
10.10 was fine because of public beta testing. IOS 8 was a failure.

Google "Yosemite wifi issues". 10.10 was not fine, nor is 10.10.1

Don't forget the Hardware...
The problem I see with Apple is they want growth more than they want constancy nowadays. Tim maybe doesn't like constants because they do not grow.

Right. Make the hardware un-upgradable so users will want/have to upgrade their machines every year or two.
What they did to the mini clearly illustrates that point. Here's a machine that was specifically engineered so the end user could pop the bottom off and upgrade their own memory. Now there's a plate in there with nonstandard screws so the user can't get in.
 
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iCloud sucks, I cancelled my subscription and will not bite again for a while. It's overpriced, under-delivering garbage....
Was iCloud Drive all that you use iCloud for?

I get that people are having problems with the Drive functionality (compared to OneDrive/DropBox/etc), but for me, in addition to iCloud Drive, iCloud also does my iOS Backups, Mail, Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Safari bookmarks, Notes, Keychain, and Find My [Mac, iPod, iPhone].

Having come from the .Mac and MobileMe days, and as much as I wish iCloud Drive was mature enough be competing with OneDrive/DropBox, it's hard for me to be dismissive of iCloud as a whole just because of Drive.
 
same thing happened to me when i was trying to get all the photos off of my wife's iphone. i couldn't find a way to do it on my mac so i just plug it into my old win 7 laptop see what happen. and it pop up ask me if i wanted to transfer all photos and specified location click ok and it was done in 10 mins.

oh it also give me an option to remove all the photos from the phone once it's done too.

For getting photos off iphone there's Image Capture app in Mac's App folder. Not an intuitive name to me so I also didn't discover that way of copying photos until some time later.
 
I don't understand why anyone would have made purchases using two Apple ID's in the first place. I have two Apple ID's. One for the iTunes/App Store with which I make ALL store purchases (including Apple Store purchases) and the other for iCloud (Mail, Calendar, Reminders, and all the other services offered there). I can't help but think that people who have this issue with making purchases using two Apple ID's got themselves into that mess on their own. They just weren't thinking...
This.
I have one ID, that has never been changed since 2003, for iTunes, and my iCloud ID.
Done.
I do not understand why this is such a huge issue. For one user, sure. Perhaps. But for me, it allows multiple people in my family to buy apps and music, independently from using my iCloud ID and password.

That I prefer.
 
Had an interesting experience at an Apple Store recently. Dropped by and asked a genius if he could explain iCloud Photo Library to me a little better and in particular what would happen if I switched it on, when I'm relying on Photostream right now to upload my iPhone pics over to my iMac and save them automatically in iPhoto.

He really couldn't help much. Said since it was a beta, he wasn't trained on it at all and couldn't really explain much of anything to me about it.

He did take time to lecture me that by having a shared iTunes account with my wife, I'm basically stealing all the apps we share. :rolleyes:

Sorry to hear about the lackluster experience. If that last part is something he actually said it should be brought to the attention of the manager since family sharing is now an iTunes feature last I checked.

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For getting photos off iphone there's Image Capture app in Mac's App folder. Not an intuitive name to me so I also didn't discover that way of copying photos until some time later.

This is how I always remove photos from my phone. I have never liked loading pics to iPhoto.
 
iCloud is not just "incomplete" but more like woefully inadequate and restrictive, compared to Dropbox or Google Drive.

You can't share iCloud with other Family users, you can't upload your own stuff easily, you can't do so many other things we expect to be able to do and can do on other cloud storage platforms.

iCloud sucks, I cancelled my subscription and will not bite again for a while. It's overpriced, under-delivering garbage....


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You can't upload your own stuff easily....hmmmm (How hard is dropping a file in the iCloud Drive directory)

You can't share iCloud with other users....hmmmm (Try setting up Family Sharing)
 
This.
I have one ID, that has never been changed since 2003, for iTunes, and my iCloud ID.
Done.
I do not understand why this is such a huge issue. For one user, sure. Perhaps. But for me, it allows multiple people in my family to buy apps and music, independently from using my iCloud ID and password.

That I prefer.

Interesting solution. With the family sharing option this is less of an issue. I am considering giving some family members their own account and programming a limit on what they can spend. There are several good ways of managing accounts.
 
Apple doesn't put top priority in getting photos to sync correctly on iCloud because that's really not what their business model is about. Apple is all about getting, well, another bite of the Apple. If you buy music from itunes, they want you to buy more music from itunes. If you buy movies, they want you to buy more movies. Once people have bought space on iCloud, their revenue is done. Photos snapped from their iPhone won't make them more money.

In fact most of iCloud exists so people can accept either a 16 GB version of an iPhone or decide they want to fork over more money for more storage.

The good news is that Apple has no interest in your baby pictures. The bad news is that Apple has, well, no interest in your baby pictures ...
 
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You can't upload your own stuff easily....hmmmm (How hard is dropping a file in the iCloud Drive directory)

You can't share iCloud with other users....hmmmm (Try setting up Family Sharing)

It is that easy but it is also slower in my experience than Dropbox. Hopefully this is something that will improve in the coming months.
 
What issues with Yosemite have you seen? I have been a Beta tester since July. It has come a LONG way. I personally have not had to file a report for weeks now.

The last iOS sudden restart my iPhone had was shortly after the iOS7 release if memory serves. How frequent are the restarts? Which phone are you using? There may be more going on than the iOS version. Are you near an Apple Store that can examine it if needs be?

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He is prolific and I personally find he is generally making points I can agree with.

There's a very long thread on Apple forums and it was mentioned on macrumors also. The reason of blue/red screens is with flash memory controller as I remember which should IMO lead to recalling all affected devices (and as I understand all iphone 6 plus are affected), but my gut tells me Apple won't acknowledge it. It's keeping silence.

iPhone 6+, the more data you have there the more frequently it happens. After some "red screens of death" iPhone dies. I was lucky to get only blue. Also MacBook crashed a couple of times with an error screen in many languages when using Xcode with iPhone on iOS 8 (and that also never happened on earlier OS releases).
 
Because iTunes is the app that plays music on your Mac? And so naturally iTunes syncs playlists etc, to your iPhone, iPad. Hey, if you don't want to use it, that's your prerogative. iTunes is more than easy to use. There's nothing to complain about here. Move along.

Not exactly.

iTunes is less stable and reliable than Plex, for instance. I have stopped using iTunes as a server for local content, because it drops out and often requires restarts, making the experience of using my ATV for local content sub-standard.

Instead, I just installed Plex Connect and now things are stable, if a bit awkward because of having to go to the Trailers tile to access it. Apple should just allow Plex on ATV, before it loses market share to more open set top boxes.

If it wasn't for Plex Connect, I would have kept the Nexus Player I just got and dumped my ATVs.

As for drag and drop, as in Android, it is easier. It should be an option for iOS as well, so that if someone wants to use iTunes, they can, but if other want the ease of drag and drop, they can use that.

"Move on" is hardly a good attitude for addressing legitimate complaints about an overly restrictive and complex system.
 
Interesting solution. With the family sharing option this is less of an issue. I am considering giving some family members their own account and programming a limit on what they can spend. There are several good ways of managing accounts.
Works so far.
After my wife and I moved in together before we married, she just started using my iTunes account instead of hers and it sort of stuck.

Plus, we don't have kids yet. Once that come into the picture, then perhaps I'll move to a different model.
 
I said it many times and I'll say it again. Blame Edy Cue. He is the cause of all cloud related services.

Apple cloud and web services are big disappointment.

Just food for thought, Why adding new products need to bring down online Apple Store?

Amazon much more products to maintain and they never need to bring it down when introducing new product

Not even worth the time of day.....

Next.
 
Let's see:
- random photos missing from my photostream on other devices
- photos that reappear in photostreams after you delete them
- files in iCloud enabled apps that refuse to sync (stuck on Waiting forever)
- calendar invites that keep coming back after accepting or ignoring them
- iTunes match unreliable and slow (seems to be better with iTunes 12)
- unable to easily backup iCloud files
- reminders, contacts, calendar out of sync
- iMessages reported as Delivered while they are not
- FaceTime devices not ringing when you call them
- apps that rely on iCloud sync hang in ios 8
- slooowwwwwwww (yes, still as slow as iDisk or MobileMe)

not a bug but horrible design:
- the need to delete photos both in the camera roll and photo stream
- the iCloud website looking like a fisher price toy
- the app specific folders in iCloud drive
- the inability to share iWork documents in the two months leading up to the release of iOS 8. Because they were working on a new version. Really?? It didn't get a lot of attention, because, let's face it, nobody uses that feature.
- etc

Agree with most of your list.

Yes, iCloud is getting worse than .Mac and MobileMe ever were.
When iCloud was first introduced at WWDC 2011 it was tight, worked, even though it was missing features previously offered, but the most important stuff worked.
Now with feature creep, it's unraveling again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfj7UgCMsqs
skip to 1:18:00 to see Steve introduce iCloud.

He's even making fun of MobileMe at 1:22:40.
Now the sync & reliability issues are back.

"deep organizational issue", p.c. speak for "we've really ********d this up this time"

3 strikes you're out Apple. I'm going back to manual sync and making my Macbook the hub again, syncing contacts, etc.. to my iPhone, iPods.
I've sold my iPad since I cannot put up with the nuisance that is iOS 8.

Cloud services from Microsoft OneDrive are stable on Mac & iPhone, so I'm getting my free 30GB and when I need it, I'll pay $2/month for 100GB or $5.75/month for 1TB. Best prices around and it just works.
 
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