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Maybe I'm just missing something here... but I still have the Passwords and Autofill option under Safari preferences on my iPhone 5, and I installed the GM last night. Just saved two new sites a few moments ago to verify... and it's working. A bit befuddled as to why I still have it and others don't... :confused:
 
Maybe I'm just missing something here... but I still have the Passwords and Autofill option under Safari preferences on my iPhone 5, and I installed the GM last night. Just saved two new sites a few moments ago to verify... and it's working. A bit befuddled as to why I still have it and others don't... :confused:

Yes, that works, but the passwords you just saved won't sync to other iOS devices and OS X computers you might have.
 
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It's somewhat expected, to me. I've been using both Mavericks and iOS 7 since DP2, and there's been a lot of issues with resets and automatic disabling. Having upgraded both devices (Air & iPad mini) at once and having to re-enable iCloud keychain led to a required reset since I didn't have an active device with it enabled on it. This was both frustrating and required a silly workaround (upgrading one at a time and re-activating before updating the other device). It would be especially messy if someone only had one device, as you were resetting every update (thus losing all your "secure" passwords you can't remember).

In the latest update to Mavericks, it now has you enter a 4-digit pin so you can reactivate it on same devices. This fixes the biggest problem, but I can see how Apple would much rather introduce it side-by-side with Mac and iOS devices as it affects your usage on both. Imagine using Keychain-provided passwords on your iOS device, and then not being able to sign in on your Mac. Definite problem.

The other problem is that Safari suggests unmemorizable passwords that get stored in the keychain and then if they get reset, you have to reset it again at the site if you use that feature.

That an and awful lot of sites generate a box saying "this site has asked not to store passwords" etc. and there's no way of overriding it that I can see (didn't honestly look that hard).

In the earlier betas the passwords worked across my devices, but then it more or less stopped whether or not it was enabled.

If they can make this work, I hope they bring it back. Otherwise no.
 
AAPL -5% today :D

Proving the investors both large & small are keenly aware of Apple's weaknesses. Say what you will, but security via a fingerprint sensor is bound to cause concern in some quarters. Whether you agree with it or not, Apples now dependent on public acceptance. It's a fickle crowd given the current climate of high visibility breaches and other reports.

Oh sure, some are paranoid but they will always be there. It's the greater majority that must be OK with it. That's why Apple spent zero time highlighting & singing the praises of a sensor. Within the ranks of Apple enthusiasts its generally a well known fact that MobileMe was a failure so bad even Jobs acknowledged it. Now in the iCloud Era Apple's not doing a whole lot better. And that's not a criticism but rather a simple observation based on first hand experience. Hopefully at some point in the future the light will go on for Apple & it's efforts at Cloud Computing.
 
Maybe I'm just missing something here... but I still have the Passwords and Autofill option under Safari preferences on my iPhone 5, and I installed the GM last night. Just saved two new sites a few moments ago to verify... and it's working. A bit befuddled as to why I still have it and others don't... :confused:

Same here (as I posted before in this thread) I did a fresh install then a restore from iCloud backup, everything is running great but all my login/credit card seems to be working??
 
The fingerprint thing would seem to make this walking obsolete.
Fingerprints are very weak. The average fingerprint has an entropy* of ≈ 13 bits or ≈ 19 times less entropy than a SHA-2 256-Bit hash value.

A fingerprint is equal to a PIN with only 3 numbers:
numbers 0-9 = 4 bits per number
13 bits / 4 bits = 3 numbers (0-9)

I doubt that you use passwords or passphrases which have a length of only 3 characters or numbers.

*entropy in number of bits
 
Not sure how useful it's going to be, anyway. 90% of the websites I went to had the disclaimer in the password box that Apple wouldn't store the password, because the website operator had requested it. If my bank isn't going to let me use it they're cutting their own nose off, because it greatly reduces the chance I would use a very complex password.
 
OMG I'm glad it's not stored because I'm afraid the government or the NSA will steal it from me!!!

I'm that important, it's because I know the secret that Roswell is full of UFO's and the government is going to take my baby away
 
The fingerprint thing would seem to make this walking obsolete. But guess that is hardware only. And sites still require passwords

If Apple sells 100Million iPhone 5s devices this year it would still be less than 12% of the iOS installed base. 'The Fingerprint Thing' is a couple years out from being a baseline capability for all users.
 
NSA sees your password when you login anyway, may as well store it in the cloud.

Personally I like the idea of all my passwords saved in on place and my finger print being my key.
 
The market doesn't agree with you. UBS doesn't agree with you. Credit Suisse doesn't agree with you.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple-stock-aapl-dives-analysts-downgrade-iphone-maker/story?id=20225061

Those are stock markets. a meta market. A place where perceptions are bought and sold.

Apple doesn't make money on the stock market, infact, the lower it goes, the cheaper it gets for them to become more private (or at least employee owned).

The perception of 'value' there is not the same on wall street as the perception of 'value' in the eyes of someone who is buying a smartphone.

The 'market' he's talking about the place where hard product iPhones are sold[out]. That's where Apple makes it's money... and that market says the current iPhone pricing is still low enough that the customer sees value and buys most everything Apple makes.
 
Fingerprints are very weak. The average fingerprint has an entropy* of ≈ 13 bits or ≈ 19 times less entropy than a SHA-2 256-Bit hash value.

A fingerprint is equal to a PIN with only 3 numbers:
numbers 0-9 = 4 bits per number
13 bits / 4 bits = 3 numbers (0-9)

I doubt that you use passwords or passphrases which have a length of only 3 characters or numbers.

*entropy in number of bits

Worth a read?

http://lukenotricks.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/on-entropy-of-fingerprints.html
 
I was really excited about this, until I heard that all your passwords are stored in an NSA database.

Even if I know that my "cloud" stuff like gmail and dropbox are in no way private or secure, I still feel uncomfortable giving them my passwords. I will just let them bypass my passwords as they have been doing until now.
 
That an and awful lot of sites generate a box saying "this site has asked not to store passwords" etc. and there's no way of overriding it that I can see (didn't honestly look that hard).

Settings > Safari > Passwords & Autofill... enable Always Allow

Setting is also in Safari on the Mac to allow saving on passwords regardless of the sites request.
 
Fingerprints are very weak. The average fingerprint has an entropy* of ≈ 13 bits or ≈ 19 times less entropy than a SHA-2 256-Bit hash value.

A fingerprint is equal to a PIN with only 3 numbers:
numbers 0-9 = 4 bits per number
13 bits / 4 bits = 3 numbers (0-9)

That paper you link to studied 19th century classification system (Henry), and 13-bit entophy is referring to specific elements of a fingerpint (loops, whorls, etc).

Your conclusion that fingerprints are 13-bit long is incorrect. That would mean there are only 8,192 unique fingerprints that exist in the world - clearly not the case.

Authentec fingerprint scanner (technology used by Apple Touch ID) is as strong as 13-15 character password. Most people's passwords are a lot weaker than that.
 
Finger print reader

Has anyone tried this on a iPhone 5s; that is a phone with a finger print reader and the finger print access enabled? thats the way I would have implemented it.
 
Makes sense it's more of a mavericks feature anyway

It's an iPhone. iPad, and Mavericks feature. I have been using it across all three equally.

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Not sure how useful it's going to be, anyway. 90% of the websites I went to had the disclaimer in the password box that Apple wouldn't store the password, because the website operator had requested it. If my bank isn't going to let me use it they're cutting their own nose off, because it greatly reduces the chance I would use a very complex password.

90%? I had nowhere near that. Only a few websites said this.

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OMG I'm glad it's not stored because I'm afraid the government or the NSA will steal it from me!!!

I'm that important, it's because I know the secret that Roswell is full of UFO's and the government is going to take my baby away

You have a lot to learn about the implications of NSA spying on all communications and data. I suggest you start reading.

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I bet Apple will somehow integrate the fingerprint sensor into all this, makes perfect sense.

I'm certain that is the plan.

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Apple dont be stingy and limit the touch id to iphones. Bring them to macs and ipads.

Playing it safe is going to kill the company

How do you know they aren't. I bet it's on the next iPad. I want the same thing btw.

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AAPL -5% today :D

This of us who are not ignorant and childish are aware that Apple's stock always drops after new announcements. Including for products like the iPhone 5 that broke all sales records. Run along now.

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Exactly. I'm a big time user of 1Password but was willing to move to the iCloud keychain. I do wonder what happened.

I plan on using both but primarily iCloud keychain.

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It will probably work on PC's just fine - so long as you're using safari and have the iCloud client installed. :cool:

As a 1Password user, I'm assuming this will work perfectly within Safari and may even replace it for me.
But when we want to log in to an App, at least the initial time, we will still need 1Password to copy and paste the PW into app.

I'm no developer, but I'm assuming iCloud keychain is safari only, and doesn't carry over to App log in fields.

There is an api for the fingerprint reader but it remains to be seen what Apple will allow it to be implemented with. They aren't saying much right now.
 
probably re-appear as a "finger print sensor" only feature down the line..

Got to have SOME reason to upgrade to a 5S after all :rolleyes:
 
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