Well certainly this is possible but with Apple charging 5000 bucks for iMac pros and 1000 for stands I remain somewhat pessimistic that we’ll get any legit upgrade for “free”
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If Apple releases a 16" MacBook Pro later this year, how much money do you think it will cost?
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Well certainly this is possible but with Apple charging 5000 bucks for iMac pros and 1000 for stands I remain somewhat pessimistic that we’ll get any legit upgrade for “free”
"It's just a piece of metal" - you can buy "just a bit of metal" for $200, or you can use an wooden box practically for free, or you can pay for a mechanical marvel that lets you move a thirty pound monitor around with your finger tips. It costs more.
Nothing "marvelous" about a piece of metal which is why so many people are saying 1000 bucks for a stand that should be included in the box for free is ridiculous
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A 16" budget model would blow my mind lol. But could be possible. Think iPhone XR.
What do you mean by rigidity? How does bezels affect rigidity/reliability? @HappyIntro
Well, okay. If I don't buy the $1000 stand, I still have to shell out $199 to Apple to get an adapter for the XDR display to be compatible with VESA mount.
So... please kindly explain what kind of magic that $199 adapter is doing to justify its cost then, if you think the $1000 stand is so amazing.
As an aside, there's ergotron in case you don't know you can actually get a pretty nice "attachment" for your monitor for $200:
Monitors don't have to be fixed into one position anymore in 2019.
Not going to argue whether people will be happy with the XDR display or not. I am certain some will be very happy. But I don't buy your or anyone else's justification for why Apple needs to charge that much for it. And the specs I'm reading for the display on Apple's site is actually... discouraging me even more. For instance, its "impressive" peak brightness of 1600 nits and "sustained" 1000 nits mode is only available when playing back a HDR video in full screen. Otherwise, it only gets up to 500 nits when displaying everything else.
P.S.: as an aside, the XDR display according to Apple's specs is 16.5 lbs. Hardly a 30-lb monster. I think you are confusing the weight of the screen with the weight of the stand. The pro stand is 25 lbs according to Apple.
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I'm no laptop engineer, but the contact surface of the sandwiched materials (e.g., glass front to back shell) gets smaller as the bezels get smaller. It seems to me that the contact surface acts as sort of a frame around the LCD, which provides rigidity when opening and closing the screen that will resist bending.
And a much-awaited new keyboard
And possible new GPUs (at least the ancient Polaris GPUs may well be gone - at the very least, I'd expect last year's Vega chips as standard, instead of "pay to avoid a 3-4 year old GPU")
And a new thermal design?
And perhaps 64 gigs of RAM as an option
I'd suspect that it's far more likely that this comes in like the Retina - one high-end model at first, expensive but not much more than CTOing the previous model up to what's standard on the new one. Six months to a year later, we'll see lower-end choices.
It almost certainly won't be available under $2799, but the 8-core CPUs and the 512 GB SSD will be standard (unless 1 TB is actually standard).
My best guess is $3299, but with a Vega 16 and one more item that was previously an upgrade standard (either 1 TB drive or 32 GB RAM).
And possible new GPUs (at least the ancient Polaris GPUs may well be gone - at the very least, I'd expect last year's Vega chips as standard, instead of "pay to avoid a 3-4 year old GPU")
And a new thermal design?
And perhaps 64 gigs of RAM as an option
I'd suspect that it's far more likely that this comes in like the Retina - one high-end model at first, expensive but not much more than CTOing the previous model up to what's standard on the new one. Six months to a year later, we'll see lower-end choices.
It almost certainly won't be available under $2799, but the 8-core CPUs and the 512 GB SSD will be standard (unless 1 TB is actually standard).
My best guess is $3299, but with a Vega 16 and one more item that was previously an upgrade standard (either 1 TB drive or 32 GB RAM).
I still don't see why EVERYONE through their great ancestors is waiting for a re-designed keyboard.
I understand if someone has had problems and had to deal with Apple to get it fixed.
But for the vast majority who haven't had problems like me (so far), this keyboard is the bees knees.
I'm on a 2019 15" MacBook Pro and I LOVE this keyboard. I don't see myself going back to the one in my late 2013 rMBP.
I also use a 2017 12" MacBook from time to time and that keyboard isn't as nice as my 2019 15" but it's still just fine. I wouldn't mind using it daily at all.
Now if I end up in the Apple store with keyboard trouble, I'll take everything I said in this post back haha
I understand if someone has had problems and had to deal with Apple to get it fixed.
But for the vast majority who haven't had problems like me (so far), this keyboard is the bees knees.
I'm on a 2019 15" MacBook Pro and I LOVE this keyboard. I don't see myself going back to the one in my late 2013 rMBP.
I also use a 2017 12" MacBook from time to time and that keyboard isn't as nice as my 2019 15" but it's still just fine. I wouldn't mind using it daily at all.
Now if I end up in the Apple store with keyboard trouble, I'll take everything I said in this post back haha
Vast majority like you? Now isn't that a little bit of a presumption from your side?
I don't have any data on hands, but all the people I know in person owning a current gen MBP complained about their keyboards (that's a sample size of roughly 20 people). I worked on a 2016 and 2018 MBP, both of which had serious keyboard issues after 6 months. So within this small sample size, that's still a 100% miss.
Combine that with the official repair program and the "vast majority" of youtubers (even the most die hard Apple Fanboys) and it paints a not so nice picture.
I don't wanna be mean, but it kind of seems to me as if you want to push your own reality here.
What I'm saying is that I don't have any keyboard problems on 2 so called "defective" keyboards (yet). And I actually LIKE these keyboards a lot.
But if I do start getting problems then yes I'll join the vocal minority in complaining about it. But lets hope that doesn't happen.
I honestly don't want these keyboards to be changed. But again that's just my experience.
Yeah, the keyboards do feel good, I agree with you on that one. Well, maybe you're among the fortunate ones, or maybe I'm among the unfortunate ones. Can't judge. But I for my part won't invest in a new machine anymore unless they increase the reliability, in whatever way. I wouldn't mind another short travel keyboard, as long as it doesn't break.
That's what I think. Basically keep the keyboard the same without the risk of it breaking. So Apple will have to figure that one out.
And I'll say it again, I've been good SO FAR. Obviously that could change at which point I'll be pretty
All Macbook Pro 2011 models are also fine, until they aren't, then they die of dGPU failure. They all have the fault, it's only a matter of how much you push them.
It's not just simply reducing bezels. I have the impression many here don't realise how much the bezels would need to be shrunk down in order to fit the screen. If they keep the current form factor, the 16" would barely leave 0,1" on each side. the 16,4" wouldn't fit anymore. In order to clear this up a bit, I did a quick illustration
Therefore I think it will take a lot more than just a simple refitting of the screen. So while Apple is already on redesigning the internals, I'm pretty sure they'll improve some other stuff with it.
EDIT: While I'm already at it, here a quick mockup what a 16" would stack up to (I have no idea how they would position the screen vertically, since there has to be extra space for the hinge at the bottom. So symmetry is out of question)
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And no laptop is truly edge to edge (the InfinityEdge Dells, which are considered very small-bezeled, have about half the bezel of a MacBook Pro)...
I'm sure they'll shrink the bezel somewhat, but if the screen goes much over 15.8" or so, the chassis will also have to grow.
I'm sure they'll shrink the bezel somewhat, but if the screen goes much over 15.8" or so, the chassis will also have to grow.
Keep in mind the InfinityEdge Dell laptops have thin bezels on three sides, but a huge bezel on the bottom, which to me make them unattractive. I'd take the MacBook Pro bezels over the Dells every time.
I still don't see why EVERYONE through their great ancestors is waiting for a re-designed keyboard.
I understand if someone has had problems and had to deal with Apple to get it fixed.
But for the vast majority who haven't had problems like me (so far), this keyboard is the bees knees.
I'm on a 2019 15" MacBook Pro and I LOVE this keyboard. I don't see myself going back to the one in my late 2013 rMBP.
I also use a 2017 12" MacBook from time to time and that keyboard isn't as nice as my 2019 15" but it's still just fine. I wouldn't mind using it daily at all.
Now if I end up in the Apple store with keyboard trouble, I'll take everything I said in this post back haha
I also love the keyboard but I'm getting really tired of having to send it to repairs every 3 months... My only regret with this machine is the fact that it isn't a 15"
This sounds like a huge upgrade to my 13"... I am definitely interested in this especially if it comes with Navi
I think his point was, that it's very unlikely that someone would do such thin bezels (with traditional display technologies), since nobody else has done it. And i kind of agree with that.
What makes me even more puzzled though is that if they indeed came up with some brilliant way to produce such small bezels, that they would waste this opportunity by leaving such huge black bezels on top and bottom. It just looks ******. It looks as if someone was too greedy to come up with a new design, squeezing out the last cent out of the supply chain, which would actually be the case.
So I feel it's likely that we will see a redesign. So far there's only a source that mentioned they'll stay in the same form factor, which is DigiTimes (with a mixed track record).
Are there any public LG roadmaps regarding laptop display that could shed a bit of light on the new Macbook display?
I mean, what I could see them doing, which would be kind of madness, is a 16" concept like this
They would change the design language a bit, reducing the corner radiuses (in correspondence with their Pro Display XDR). At the same time they'd reduce the height of the device by a small bit and could use this to justify making the device a little bit thicker to improve thermals.
They would introduce a FaceID Notch at the top with the same thickness as the system bar and make it double serve as a dead spot corresponding to the bottom notch which you would use to open the lid.
Don't know whether that's feasible, but I could see Apple making something along these lines.
They would change the design language a bit, reducing the corner radiuses (in correspondence with their Pro Display XDR). At the same time they'd reduce the height of the device by a small bit and could use this to justify making the device a little bit thicker to improve thermals.
They would introduce a FaceID Notch at the top with the same thickness as the system bar and make it double serve as a dead spot corresponding to the bottom notch which you would use to open the lid.
Don't know whether that's feasible, but I could see Apple making something along these lines.
I wonder how the dead spot would impact full-screen apps that take over the menu bar (Lightroom can do this, among others)...
The other problem might be apps with a ton of menus? If I set the display size one size bigger than normal, I can get Photoshop and other image editing apps to creep their menus past mid-screen. Depending on the width of the dead zone, some of them are close enough that they might reach it at default resolution.
The other problem might be apps with a ton of menus? If I set the display size one size bigger than normal, I can get Photoshop and other image editing apps to creep their menus past mid-screen. Depending on the width of the dead zone, some of them are close enough that they might reach it at default resolution.
I'm still of the belief they can roll up the current MBP and MB/MBA lineup into a consumer simplified offering...
I like the pattern they have with the iPhone personally, a base model, a small pro model, a large pro model.
So, you'll have a macbook, macbook pro 14", macbook pro 16" and that'll be all.
The pro 16" will be 4k and be designed as a real pro machine....
I like the pattern they have with the iPhone personally, a base model, a small pro model, a large pro model.
So, you'll have a macbook, macbook pro 14", macbook pro 16" and that'll be all.
The pro 16" will be 4k and be designed as a real pro machine....
Yeah. This kind of stuff would definitely need to be passed down to the developers, like with the iPhone X, Touchbar and so on. I still don’t know whether it would work in all instances though. For example, what about screen scaling, the system bar would shrink so the notch would need to be smaller in all of these instances. But in general, I think Apple could make it work by compromising here and there (making the system bar resolution independent for example)
Another problem I have with the thing I came up with is that it kind of lacks an Apple look to it. It kind of looks like a Windows laptop with a Macbook base tacked on to it. So I‘m not sure whether this is fixable by styling the outer shell a bit or whether the screen area needs a certain charismatic uniqueness. Who knows, maybe this will be the reason why Apple will go for the something like the first design after all (maybe they can even pack in some functionality into these bars). Because I don‘t know any other laptop that would have this distinct look.
EDIT: Thought I drop this here. Took some official marketing material and put the new screen size on top of it. I think it actually looks pretty cool like that, could imagine it happening. Funnily enough, the corner radius starts exactly where the screen ends. I guess Apples designers kept this well in mind when coming up with this MBP many years ago, kind of impressive.
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I think your calculations are slightly off. The display panel size is currently 33.25 x 20.8 cm. The effective display bezels are 1 cm to left and right, about 1.3cm to the bottom and a whopping 2cm on the top. If they just reduce each bezel by 0.6 cm (making 4mm left and right bezels which should be absolutely doable), the panel size jumps to 16.1". Thats within the same display assembly form factor. Assuming leaked resolution of 3072×1920 is correct, that would give us a 227 PPI panel, which incidentally is exactly the PPI of the MacBook Air.
And I don't think that anyone argues that there won't be any changes to the chassis. After all, it's expected to be a redesign.