iapplelove
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The mock-up on the right is literally identical to a Samsung S8.
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The mock-up on the right is literally identical to a Samsung S8.
vipergts2207
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It's not more one-handed friendly. It's as bad to use one-handed as the plus is, but without the benefit of reachability.
What’s a 3.5 mm port? Airpods FTW
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Reachability is terrible. Never use it
Apple_Robert
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Vote with your wallet.
Apple, Samsung and others are not always going to design products that appeal to every single consumer. And I think it is very arrogant to contact Apple demanding that they do something about the design of the phone just announced, so that those who don't like the notch can have their way.
If we were talking about contacting Apple about a hardware defect, safety hazard or deceptive advertising, I would be all for contacting Apple and other appropriate entries.
As it stands, we are talking about a difference in design philosophy between Apple and those who can't stand the notch. And instead of accepting that Apple has decided to go a different direction than some want, (read: demand) some here think it is prudent to try and force Apple to somehow back down, admit that they are sorry for not catering to everyones' whims, and suddenly change course and appease those who aren't happy.
Its not Apple's job to appease every consumer. Apple doesn't build 'anything the customer wants' products. It is Apple's job to build a quality product that it believes will deliver the best user experience for the consumer with the expectations of Tim Cook and others at Apple. And if one doesn't like the design direction of Apple, one can keep what one has, buy an Apple product that one likes, or look elsewhere.
The way a lot of people around here are acting lately, you would think we have been talking about life and death decisions, instead of a phone.
vipergts2207
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I don't care for it either, but it doesn't change anything about the first half of what I said.
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Apple_Robert
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I didn't say anything about not liking it here at MacRumors, nor did I state I was unhappy in some way.
I posed a question and then offered a solution to those who seem to be vexed. I haven't had trouble moving on with my daily life since making that post.
You wasted your time posting that childlike picture, that wasn't apropos to the the subject at hand or my post, which was on subject, unlike yours.
iceterminal
macrumors 68000
Exactly. Which is why I can't stand to listen to snowflakes whining about something made in 1878 not being in something made in 2016. The logic doesnt make sense to me. Now, I get it that everyone has their thing. But please dont complain that your new phone doesn't have 1878 port in the same breathe as complain that your new phone doesn't have the latest version of bluetooth or has bad LTE.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
Is like saying:
“Why must the President change the policy, just because you and others don't like it? Don't like the policy...don't live here. Problem solved. No policy change needed.”
Apple offers the Feedback page to those who find an issue or have a new / differing opinion, what’s so wrong with him trying to change something he wants to?
BeeGood
macrumors 68000
Again, for years, people complained about bezels, about screen size, about screen resolution. All of these things were addressed by Apple. We’re all of those people “arrogant” for voicing their opinions?
Apple is and should be responsive to what consumers are asking for. How else are they going to build products that people want to buy?
And I’m not saying Apple needs to appease everybody. The issue is that the notch doesn’t do anything for anyone. No one asked for it. If the X didn’t have one, no one would be coming here saying, “Gee, I sure wish their was a large black trapezoid on the top of the phone intruding into the screen space”. Literally, if you had a bezel the same width of the notch extending across the screen, you’d still have more screen than the 8+ and you wouldn’t have all of this goofy-ness of trying to work content around it.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
You haven’t had trouble moving on with your life? You are in EVERY thread discussing alternatives to the notch criticizing everyone and accusing them of committing logical fallacies for posting solutions and encouraging feedback to Apple.
Consumers and macrumors members who don’t like the notch have every right to voice their opinion without being attacked by you.
You even attacked another member for simply comparing iPhone thickness throughout the years.
Stop acting like your attacks are based in reason or in trying to help us find a solution. We are not satisfied with “love it or get out; love it or don’t buy it”
Some of us want to buy apples highest spec iPhone without a huge hole in our display.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
Honestly voting with our wallets will do nothing to Apple, Apple won’t change their mind due to people complaining, lots of people didn’t buy the iPhone 7 because of the headphone jack, and look where that got us, nowhere...
As for this, it’s a $1200 without tax phone, not just $5 down the drain oh well...
Young man! This is Nazi Applany, an opposing opinion is the enemy... Sieg Tim!
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BeeGood
macrumors 68000
I think the headphone jack was a little different. That was (IMO) a intentional move to save/make money by 1) not having to waterproof it and 2) having all accessories plug in through the lighting port which = more royalties for them.
The way they pitched it as being “courageous” and “paving the way to a Wireless future” means that they can’t go backwards on that.
The notch was a compromise, and it was a poor one in many people’s opinions. They could have done a couple of different things with the screen that would have satisfied more people. That’s something they can and should change.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
I want the headphone jack gone, I was only using the jack for the comparison of Apple not caring about consumers voicing their opinion with money, and it’s not a “oh tech YouTuber doesn’t want it that’s all”
I know a (non tech) friend who didn’t buy the iPhone 7 because of a missing headphone jack, she says she uses it too much and it would not be an ideal phone
BeeGood
macrumors 68000
I understand. I’m saying that you can’t really compare the removal of the headphone jack to the inclusion of the notch because the two things were done for different reasons.
Apple does listen to consumer feedback. If they didn’t, we’d still have 3.5 inch displays and 780p resolution on every iPhone.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
Wouldn’t say that was consumer feedback, the entire industry was going big, it wasn’t really an option
Apple could’ve definitely listened to customers screaming “bigger!” before the 5 came along, and the same applies for the 6, people were screaming for bigger and Apple took their sweet ass time until they were “forced”
BeeGood
macrumors 68000
The entire industry was going bigger because that’s what consumers wanted. Ultimately, everything is driven by what the consumer wants. If the industry started cranking out larger phones that no one wanted to buy, Apple wouldn’t have made a bigger phone.
Yes, they were incredibly late, but they still responded to the consumer.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
That actually had a lot to do with Steve Jobs and how Apple was run back then. He was very adamant that iPhone operation must be done single hndedly and didn’t want a large screen where you could not reach all the corners with your thumb. He held back for as long as possible until they couldn’t hold back anymore, and compromised with the 5
Apple_Robert
Contributor
And Apple gives the customer 14 days to return the phone if he or she isn't happy. Full refund. Apple also offers AppleCare+ should a hardware or other covered problem happen with the new phone.
If Apple won't change course (as you say) then all this ranting (to the contrary) that so many here have been doing is rather pointless.
I guess I just don't get the deep emotional connection that some here seem to have with Apple and inanimate electronics.
When Apple does something that many here don't like, they start posting about how Apple is doomed, Apple is stupid and has been for some time now etc. when moments before (figuratively speaking) they were happy with Apple and appreciated the products. It is as if some here act as if they had been rejected and abandoned by family (without warning and through no fault of their own) when Apple does something with a product that they don't like.
If I had a Mercedes, and wanted to upgrade to the new model, but didn't like one of the new design features, I could exercise the following options...
1) Do more research (including hands on) to decide if the design change is something I truly do not like and or is more a matter of me not been keen on change.
2) If after researching, I decide the new model is not to my liking, I can look at other models of the same brand, or entertain the idea of a different manufacturer all together.
3) If my current car is stable and reliable, I can keep it until it either wears out or I see another car I like.
4) Picket every Mercedes dealership I can, along with writing nasty letters to Mercedes demanding that they remove the new design feature and make the model the way I want it every time.
In my opinion, Apple is obligated to honor its terms and conditions when selling products to the public. It is also obligated to produce and sell products that don't put the environment at risk or the consumer. It is not obligated to do what I want at any time, in regards to making products that I fully agree with as to the entire product package. And as long as Apple builds a product that I am pleased with, honors its terms and conditions, and does not put the consumer or the environment at risk, I will continue to buy Apple products that I like.
I realize and accept that the business world, as well as the world at large does not, and should not revolve around me or any other singular person. I realize and accept that I am not always going to be pleased with everything a person or a company does. And when those moments happen, I seek to determine (first and foremost) if I am to blame in some way. If so, what is my liability. If I am not to blame, is my dislike for the person or company based on preference or conviction? If it is a matter of conviction, then I need to stand my ground, and be consistent in my application of the conviction.
In regards to the notch, I am ambivalent towards it at this point in time, as I have not been able to see the phone in person and handle it as I normally use my phone. I also want to do some more research on the phone. If after having the phone for 14 days, I decide I don't like it, I will return it. And should that occur, I am not going to pitch a fit at the store the I return it, demanding Apple do it my way next time, or with friends, or on the internet, as if Apple forced me to buy the phone and somehow betrayed me by offering up a product that I don't approve of 100% in every way.
Like I said earlier, we are talking about a cellphone, not a life and death situation, not about a sick child, a hurricane, tornado damage, medical malpractice, physical and mental abuse of a child, husband, wife parent etc. And in my opinion, many people on the forum are acting as if buying a cellphone is as serious as a life and death situation and some of the other things I listed. In my opinion, a cellphone purchase is meaningless compared to the other topics and concerns in our daily lives.
I understand the excitement over new Apple products. I get excited as well at times. I also understand disappointment. I think that focus and perspective is getting lost with all this iPhone X ranting and raving. And that is some of what I attempt to point out in my positing.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
People are able to criticize offerings, without being reduced to saying a company is doomed and writing nasty letters.
3 case examples:
BMW brought a true 6 speed manual transmission in the 2008 M5 after consumers complained about there only being an SMG option. Porsche also brought a true 6 speed manual transmission in the 911 R after a lot of opinions had been voiced.
Another is J.Crew bringing back the Killshot 2 after it was discontinued when consumer demand and feedback went through the roof. This took effort as they had to go back to Nike to remanufacture the line.
Consumer feedback works.
Don’t know why people are trying to silence the other side.
Stop telling us what our options are. How pompous is that? We are very clearly exercising one of them.
Stop masking attacks as help or assistance. We didn’t ask for it. It is insufficient. And we don’t need it.
3 case examples:
BMW brought a true 6 speed manual transmission in the 2008 M5 after consumers complained about there only being an SMG option. Porsche also brought a true 6 speed manual transmission in the 911 R after a lot of opinions had been voiced.
Another is J.Crew bringing back the Killshot 2 after it was discontinued when consumer demand and feedback went through the roof. This took effort as they had to go back to Nike to remanufacture the line.
Consumer feedback works.
Don’t know why people are trying to silence the other side.
Stop telling us what our options are. How pompous is that? We are very clearly exercising one of them.
Stop masking attacks as help or assistance. We didn’t ask for it. It is insufficient. And we don’t need it.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
I see that differently though
First, responding too much to customer feedback can hurt you, but not responding enough could do the same
Second, to me responding to customer feedback is about taking care of problems before it’s a demand, after that I don’t consider it listening, because their arm is being bent
In the display size case, Apple should’ve went to the doctor when they were noticing symptoms, not when the pain was too much to handle (and yes Apple could’ve still sold 5” phones and made money, but look at 6 and 6 Plus sales, lots of money lost if not)
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Wow what a response, that’s long
As for the Mercedes comparison, it’s not like that as I see it
1) Yes none of use have tried it, but it’s one of those things where it might be hard to (although not impossible) to get past it
2) Apple doesn’t really sell any other phones similar to the X, we’ve been asking for an OLED display four years (pun joke), this is our only shot with this brand
3) Many of us are “locked in” with Apple in a way, iMessage is important, and not to mention the $1000+ I’ve spent on the Apple Watch models and bands
4) None of us are really writing nasty letters or standing outside the Town Square that wants to sell me a $1200 phone, we’re simply asking them to change it
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Everyone knew the rumors, the X wasn't some sort of secret. Everyone knew the notch and ears would be there...everyone knew it would start at $999. Why complain now? Cause it's reality and you can't afford it? So then don't get it. But don't bash it like it's crap cause based on most who have had a chance to play with the phone, say otherwise.
Vanilla35
macrumors 68040
We all knew it would have the sensor bar on the top. I had good feelings going into the event, and good faith in apple doing things right on the software side of things. After watching the keynote, I honestly couldn't have imagined it being any worse.
I remember saying "What the ****?!" out loud at work when I saw the full screen video.
Letterbox > notch-blotch
Seriously, it’s already two-thirds of a letterbox on the top/left.