It's a garbage keyboard and I'll never by a Mac portable that has one. EVER! I knew the new keyboard was going to be a bag of hurt the moment it came out in 2016. That drove me to pickup a closeout 15" 2015 MBP at a hefty discount. When that 2015 MBP dies I guess I'll have to switch back to Windows because the MacBook went from industrial strength perfection to inferior junk.
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I guess you'll have too... what a shame. The MBP is complete trash, totally unusable. Millions of people are just throwing away their money for a laptop that can't even be used to type this post right now
. It is the end of Apple now for sure. You called it.Best wishes in your Windows journey. I spend the majority of my day on it and I like it. X1 Carbon is a great laptop and you can find some great deals on the XPS 13/15. If you're into desktops, the NUC has some great options on Amazon.
I definitely seek guidance from others online before making my purchases as well. To "gut check" the risk since I know that you'll hear far more cries online for any issues than you would otherwise (those happy generally don't say anything, but those who aren't generally do). I also trust Consumer Reports a lot and they didn't have any indications from their consumer surveys (I do these surveys annually as a subscriber) that the newer MBPs are anymore unreliable than previous generations.
I did that before buying my 2018 MBP which was my first Mac in over 20 years (I did pick up a Mac mini to do iOS development, but I never got around to it and it sat unused for years) and it replaced my Lenovo T520 that I loved. I replaced my T520 as it was 4 years old and that's my normal life expectancy from a laptop as I don't like to own them past warranty (I then gift it to interested family and friends).
My 2018 MBP has 4 years of warranty (1 year apple + 2 years Apple Care+ + 1 year AMEX) so even without the KB service program I'd be covered for the useful life of my laptop. If I experience excessive repairs (whatever I deem that to be) I'll sell the machine and move onto another brand. I had to do this with Dell when I was getting a repair every couple of months it got tiring. But even my Lenovo T520 needed a couple of repairs in its lifetime.
I'd recommend the same to anyone else. Take it all under advisement and make the decision your gut likes...
I guess you'll have too... what a shame. The MBP is complete trash, totally unusable. Millions of people are just throwing away their money for a laptop that can't even be used to type this post right now
Best wishes in your Windows journey. I spend the majority of my day on it and I like it. X1 Carbon is a great laptop and you can find some great deals on the XPS 13/15. If you're into desktops, the NUC has some great options on Amazon.
Ok I see your little jabs in there. Good work. Bust seriously, I've learned to accept a lot of things being an Apple fan for most of my life. Lost ports, dropped features, etc. All in the name of progress and advancement. I've also stood corrected on NEARLY ALL of my initial reactions to Apple's innovations. But this keyboard is a failed experiment that Apple refuses to give up on. It's not just because it's plagued with durability issues. It's also just unsatisfying to use.
I apologize for the little jabs.
I find my 2017 MBP to be amazing. I liked my 2015 MBA better, but I only had it for 3 years. I've only had my MBP for 1.1 years. People calling this great laptop garbage gets to me a little.I've gotten used to it. First month was the hardest. I missed my 2015 MBA keyboard a lot, regretted selling it to help pay for the 2017 MBP. I got a Magic Keyboard - which has insanely low travel, moreso than the 2015 MBA - to help train me.
I had to force myself to learn to type differently - less energy than most keyboards require. Once I learned how to do that, I could really fly on the 2017 MBP keyboard - and type on it for hours with very little fatigue. Over time, I got really good at it and I'm at the point now where I've adapted and can use it for 5-6 hours at work without a problem, if I need to.
One thing I don't like about it is the noise, but the Magic Keyboard is really loud too.
If you're an older Apple user, I see your points about Magsafe, USB C, dongle world, etc... I've learned to really like my USB C ports. One port can do my HDMI out, USB 3 external hard drive, PD passthrough charging, etc - with a cheap $40? Anker port.
I think with anything, you get used to it. I've adapted to my keyboard. It seems to me a lot of people who complain about this keyboard tried it, but don't actually have it. (Obviously my opinion, not based on fact or a generalizing assumption).
Let me know when you get an interview with an Apple engineer.
The previous Apple keyboard was nice but I still prefer Lenovo’s ThinkPad keyboards.
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Lenovo's ThinkPad keyboards are to die for. My friend has the X1. That keyboard is nice. Very nice. I, as a 2017 MBP owner, am jelly.
Maybe because the topic of this thread is about the Macbook Pro keyboard?
If you want to talk about glaring industrial design issues simply start your own thread about it. In this thread that would be off topic.
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That's funny. I could have sworn that I said something way more nuanced than that. In fact, I actually said I'm sure they do listen to their customers in some situations.
Oh well, what does it matter. Enjoy.
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What you don’t understand is the following:
Just because you have a personal or emotional attachment to a product that a corporation made in the past, you should not blindly support that corporation in the future.
When a corporation makes something great, you cheer and support that corporation. They’ve done a great job, buy the product.
When a corporation makes something horrendous, you boo and don’t support the product.
Because you lost your virginity listening to that free U2 album, it doesn’t mean that you should blindly devote your life to defending everything that Apple makes thereafter. Especially products that they themselves have labeled as failures. Yes, if the keyboard doesn’t work on a laptop, it is a failure.
Stop acting like an Apple Jihadist, ready to strap your father’s Newton to your torso and detonate yourself in the vicinity of the closest Google employee, and treat Apple the same way you treat a restaurant:
Dinner was great, let’s go back!
Dinner sucked, let’s not eat there again.
And not
Dinner was awful - there was hair in my soup, and I had diarrhea all through the night. Maybe the chef wasn't feeling inspired, so let’s come back tomorrow!
Insanity. Wake up.
Just because you have a personal or emotional attachment to a product that a corporation made in the past, you should not blindly support that corporation in the future.
When a corporation makes something great, you cheer and support that corporation. They’ve done a great job, buy the product.
When a corporation makes something horrendous, you boo and don’t support the product.
Because you lost your virginity listening to that free U2 album, it doesn’t mean that you should blindly devote your life to defending everything that Apple makes thereafter. Especially products that they themselves have labeled as failures. Yes, if the keyboard doesn’t work on a laptop, it is a failure.
Stop acting like an Apple Jihadist, ready to strap your father’s Newton to your torso and detonate yourself in the vicinity of the closest Google employee, and treat Apple the same way you treat a restaurant:
Dinner was great, let’s go back!
Dinner sucked, let’s not eat there again.
And not
Dinner was awful - there was hair in my soup, and I had diarrhea all through the night. Maybe the chef wasn't feeling inspired, so let’s come back tomorrow!
Insanity. Wake up.
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I am complaining that APPLE is selling computers with a LEMON keyboard. Companies that sell cars that are LEMONS, they have recalls and are forced to repair them.
I still have a 2012 Laptop that I never had a single issue with the keyboard. All Apple Laptops 2016+ are Lemons and that is why there is a class action lawsuit.
IT is sad that you are trying to excuse Apple for a Pathetic Macbook design.
If you absolutely need a macOS based laptop then you have placed the future of your business in the hands of a single company that doesn’t even know you exist.
The service you offer is apparently non-transferable, therefore not only have you tied your investment to Apple, but apparently your skills as well.
Smart move bro!
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Your logic seems flawed to me. You always put your trust to one company. When you buy a Dell laptop, or Microsoft Surface, you are doing the same. You might have more choices on the hardware level, but the software will always be made by one company, namely Microsoft, so you depend on Microsoft for doing business. There is no difference really. I personally prefer macOS much better than Windows and that is why I am using it. I use software that is available on both Windows and Mac, so I do not really depend on these companies.
The only company that I trust with your degree of certainty is the company that I actually operate, and not the company that sold me the computers.
You have made it very clear that you are not operating an actual business.
Needless to say, I also prefer macOS to Windows, that is why I, and 99% of other members have signed up to MACrumors.com
I do not have a business that I rely for my income, but only as a secondary source of income. So, yes, I do have a small company and for my needs Windows and macOS are more than ok. If my MBP keyboard breaks (which I would really hate) then I could easily switch to my Surface Laptop and continue my work. I am not depending on Apple or Microsoft..
It's the default photo viewer so yes, it is the OS.
The progress bar on macOS is pretty accurate, used to be even more so on older mac OS's.
It's not my computer.
Lots of people are not aware of this.
As if removing a driver is easy for most people, and yes, it occurs once in a while, somehow I don't believe you.
Nonsense.
Again, the huge majority needs it, most people don't know how to be safe on the internet, most people need it because they are not power users.
I'm wondering if Apple does this "subtle" changes *on purpose* to get you to buy the new version, that will provide better responsive. I think they can do it, but i also think they are holding back as well.
With many improvements across each and every machine, you just can't keep saying "it's all they can do currently"
With many improvements across each and every machine, you just can't keep saying "it's all they can do currently"
And one that didn't totally suck to type on
Until they come up with a keyboard with more travel, portable Macs are out for me.