iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)

[aethier]

I must say i am embaressed on behave of all you people bitching about the price of everything. i guess you guys fell asleep for the part where SJ showed how much it would be for less powerfull 3rd party apps. 300 dollars. no intergration. I am embarresed for you people, for when new people come to this site and read these post, we will all look like idiots because the majority of people can't get over the fact that they have pay 50 whole dollars for 5 applications, who if made by anyother company would go for at least 50 dollars (aside from itunes). Be happy you have the oppertunity to get these great programs for cheap. Think of all the PC users who have to pay a lot of money just for a deasent dvd burning program. (isn't it pricy to use the mpeg2 codec? which you could have for less then 50 dollars when you buy ilife, i say less then 50 dollars, since idvd isn't the only program, and obviously the profit is devided). Like another thing, do you people think that apple employees wake up everymorning and go to work as volunteers? well these people get payed to make these great programs. and Apple would probably loose money if they did not sell it in some form. just be happy that its all four together not just idvd and garageband 50 dollars and the others for download. it gives you the chance to get them all and try them... anyways, you are the ones who sound rediculous not me. I too like some people am buying it, i asked my mother to take money out of my account and pick it up for me as soon as it is availuble at the local apple reseller.

and as for the iPod mini's. i find them cool. they are stylish and fun. and yes for 50 dollars more you can get a 15 gig ipod, but now that i see the mini's the look of my 15 gig ipod seems kiinda borring. and a lot of people who like "hip" things will get the mini for that reason. Like my brother, who i suggested to him the regular iPod for 50 dollars more, and more storage, is still getting the mini intead cause it looks nicer. not only that it is 50 dollars more then the flash 256 creative labs thing. some people going to buy the creative thing will see the mini for 50 more dollars, and will be able to justify spending the extra money, even if they see the 15 giger for only 50 more dollars then the mini, for some people an extra 100 dollars then they were planing is too much whereas 50 is not. i think / hope for apple that the mini's will be a success..

and as stated on the screensaves, the mini will probably drop in price it is just more now because apple is milking it for what it is worth. people like cool flashy colors..

aethier

 

[idkew]

Originally posted by aethier
I must say i am embaressed on behave of all you people bitching about the price of everything.

no one is "bitching" that they have to pay for iDVD or Garageband. People are "bitching" because they have to pay for programs they will never use. If Apple wants to charge $50 for 5 programs, where is this different than charging $40 for 4, $30 for 3, $20 for 2 and $10 for 1?

I see no difference, except that Apple wants the $50, knowing that a LARGE majority of Mac users do not have the ability or desire to use all 5 components. You say we are cheap, I say Apple is being greedy by forcing us to buy software we do not use nor want.

 

[rog]

Looks like it's carracho and Limewire time for many.

 

[Earendil]

Hypocrite.

Excuse me while I pick apart your post, it's the last one in the thread, and thus the easiest target 🙂

Originally posted by QCassidy352
Yes, a single iapp for $7.95 is EXACTLY what I want (aside from them being free). Would that be so hard? I'd take it as a download - no cd and box necessary. It's simply incomprehensible why that isn't an option.

By Golly, you're right! It isn't an option!! Of course, neither is purchasing it off a shelf at the moment, so hows about ya keep quiet when it comes to negative absolutes that aren't fact based until the 16th, aye?

"Mac users are greedy." Sorry, but that's just not true.

As an absolute, of course not, there is the other half of us that, while not outright giddy about the change, can sit back and say "Gee, paying for such an awesome program, that some guy broke his back and spent long nights working on, is a reasonable thing". We may not be happy, but we are reasonable.

Mac users pay for a premium product and expect premium service.

So he make an absolute statement, which you throw down, only to make one from the other view point? I'm thinking of a word that starts with an H...what is it....

As is obvious, half of us don't think that we deserve or "expect" premium service, at least not in the way of free apps and updates forever!

Besides, I don't understand your thinking on this one (and, it seems, the thinking of many people here): "It used to be free, now it costs money, and I'm so happy about that!" I can understand if you don't want to complain, but honestly, how is anyone rating a new fee as a *positive* thing? It's acceptable at best.

Um, where do I vote for "Paying for a new product is a good thing" ? I don't remember seeing that. But that aside, if you REALLY think about it, it *IS* a good thing <>the crowd gasps<> because that means they can CONTINUE to make great apps at a relatively low cost.

You're paying for both style AND substance with your G5. Yes, it's a serious computer. But it's also a pretty toy that costs more than it should. That's especially true for some of the other products even more than the G5 (like the imac and ipod).

Oh, I beg of you, please tell us what you'd charge for these products if you were running Apple. Please. And give us a hard number, not concepts that sound good but don't relate.

Telling people who are unhappy to "get a PC" is childish and pointless. This is a discussion board. You know, for differing view points to be expressed. Anyone who is unhappy with Apple should just leave? It's not acceptable to like Apple's products but be unhappy in one particular case?

Let me get this straight. You tell a man that what he had to say is "childish", and isn't getting anywhere, only to go on to say that this board is about expressing differing view points, which I suppose means you get to call his post "childish", and is of course productive. Right.
The H word comes to mind once again...

Finally, the worst part of this whole thing is that the updates just aren't that impressive. The only one I want is iPhoto, and that's just because the old one is so badly flawed - not because the new one is so great. 🙄

This is probably, in my differing view point opinion, the worst part of your post. These aren't bug fixes, these are feature additions. No one is making you pay for them, and in fact you can forget about them and move on with life. I'm not complaining that the newest features added to [insert application name here] are a horrible thing, because I know that someone thought they were good, and someone worked hard to bring them to life, and yet another person out there will enjoy the features, and just because I don't enjoy them doesn't mean I have the right to put down another mans work. So while I'll except words like "the newest features don't pertain to my life much, better luck for me next time" I will not except negative feedback about something that isn't even SET IN STONE.

The people that think the right to express an opinion gives them a right to pointless whining irritate me.
and if anyone takes offense at that statement, guess what group you fall into.

Tyler
Earendil

1.25GHZ PB
Broke student that upon earning the money, will buy iLife

 

[barrettd]

Superdrive & iDVD question

So now you can use iDVD without a Superdrive, right? If I don't have a Superdrive, what are the chances of being able to use a Firewire drive with iDVD?

Thanks in advance if anyone knows!

BD

 

[Earendil]

Originally posted by idkew
no one is "bitching" that they have to pay for iDVD or Garageband. People are "bitching" because they have to pay for programs they will never use. If Apple wants to charge $50 for 5 programs, where is this different than charging $40 for 4, $30 for 3, $20 for 2 and $10 for 1?

I see no difference, except that Apple wants the $50, knowing that a LARGE majority of Mac users do not have the ability or desire to use all 5 components. You say we are cheap, I say Apple is being greedy by forcing us to buy software we do not use nor want.

*big long sigh*

while your argument sounds great, it falls through in one major point. iLife doesn't cost $250. If it did, I would side with you, because than you would be paying a reasonable $50 for programs you don't want. but instead, you are paying a price that is low for even a SINGLE program these days, let alone Five, and whining because Apple gives you 5 programs for the price of 1. Can you really not see this?

$50 is a great price for iMovie alone.
$50 is a great price for iPhoto alone.
$50 is a great price for iDVD alone.
$50 is a great price for GarageBand alone.
$50 is a great price for iTunes alone.

and dare I even say what an even better deal is? that's right folks, all 5 apps for $49, isn't that INDREDIBLE! Come on, say it with me, IN-CRED-IBLE.

People are seeing 5 apps for $50 and thinking that the absolute worth of every app is $10, and there for they shouldn't have to pay a dime more than that.

I hate to be this blunt, but we either have a sadly large percentage of idiots on this board, or people that love to complain and whine. I am not promoting blind zelotry (did I just make up a word?) for Apple, the people that have made valid and well thought out posts portraying there sadened opinion of the most recent apple news are not who I am speaking to, you know who you are. The rest of you...try and make your mothers proud.

Tyler
Earendil

 

[davidkny]

Someone may have already mentioned this, but as an iMac G4 (with CD RW) owner I found the following note regarding the new iLife apps very interesting:

"DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD"

I do think it would be a bit galling for Apple to make those of us without DVD drives buy software we cannot even install on our machines in order to get upgrades to apps that we do use.

iMac G4
700 Mhz
512 RAM
40g hard drive

 

[iJon]

Originally posted by davidkny
Someone may have already mentioned this, but as an iMac (with CD rom) owner I found the following note regarding the new iLife apps very interesting:

"DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD"

I do think it would be a bit galling for Apple to make those of us without DVD drives buy software we cannot even install on our machines in order to get upgrades to apps that we do use.

well please do share what computer you have, but if you dont have dvd rom your computer probably isnt going to rum those intensive programs worth a s***.

iJon

 

[autrefois]

Originally posted by Earendil
I am not promoting blind zelotry (did I just make up a word?)

Not a new word, just a new spelling. 🙂 It's "zealotry."

 

[Superdrive]

Originally posted by Earendil
...all 5 apps for $49, isn't that INDREDIBLE! Come on, say it with me, IN-CRED-IBLE.

People are seeing 5 apps for $50 and thinking that the absolute worth of every app is $10, and there for they shouldn't have to pay a dime more than that.

IN-CRED-IBLE!!!!
Yay for GB and iPhoto that works!

Superdrive

 

[ipoddin]

Originally posted by Superdrive
Nobody said that iPhoto 04, iMovie, etc would not be included with 10.4. It is only $50, so I ordered mine as soon as I got back from work.

To those of you whining about having to pay for the new version, you got your's free when you bought your Mac. Apple owes you nothing beyond that so you should be thankful that updates were free as long as they were! For all you know, nothing will change with 10.4. Panther did not include Garageband and iDVD. Expect things included with Panther to be updated with the next $129 update. You all need to quit your whining just because the gravy train did not stop for you today. Welcome to the real world.

Superdrive

Except many of us already paid $50 last year for iLife. Now, we have to pay full price for upgrades to software we've already paid for. What software company doesn't offer discounts for people who've bought previous versions? Adobe does it, even with their $49 photo album. If you own version 1.0, version 2.0 is only $29. So why is it so hard for Apple to do this? They do it with Final Cut Express and Pro. I'll gladly pay for these as I think each one by itself is worth it...

 

[me_94501]

My reasons for groaning over the lack of free downloads is simple. I don't want Mac OS X to lose points on xvsxp.com. 🙂

I'm kind of on the fence with this whole issue. I'd still like Apple to have iMovie and iPhoto as free downloads, but $49 is still cheap for five apps. Then again, the only apps I need are iMovie and iPhoto; I have absolutely no need for iDVD or GarageBand (not to mention neither of my Macs have the system requirements to take full advantage of either of those apps), so I'd essentially be throwing $20 away.

 

[idkew]

Originally posted by davidkny
Someone may have already mentioned this, but as an iMac G4 (with CD RW) owner I found the following note regarding the new iLife apps very interesting:

"DVD drive required to install GarageBand and iDVD"

I do think it would be a bit galling for Apple to make those of us without DVD drives buy software we cannot even install on our machines in order to get upgrades to apps that we do use.

iMac G4
700 Mhz
512 RAM...

You are reading this wrong. You need a DVD ROM, or a dvd reader to install this, as the apps prolly come on a dvd disc instead of a cd. You do NOT need a DVD RAM drive, or a dvd burner to install.

 

[idkew]

Originally posted by Earendil
*big long sigh*

while your argument sounds great, it falls through in one major point. iLife doesn't cost $250. If it did, I would side with you, because than you would be paying a reasonable $50 for programs you don't want. but instead, you are paying a price that is low for even a SINGLE program these days, let alone Five, and whining because Apple gives you 5 programs for the price of 1. Can you really not see this?

and dare I even say what an even better deal is? that's right folks, all 5 apps for $49, isn't that INDREDIBLE! Come on, say it with me, IN-CRED-IBLE.

People are seeing 5 apps for $50 and thinking that the absolute worth of every app is $10, and there for they shouldn't have to pay a dime more than that.

I hate to be this blunt, but we either have a sadly large percentage of idiots on this board, or people that love to complain and whine.

Tyler
Earendil

😕
go ahead and send apple a $250 check, as you believe this iL is worth it.

Also, you go very far when calling people idiots and whiners here. Whining is when you are saying "This sucks. I hate paying money." The way you are stating things, if you don't like what Apple says, you are immature. A well thought out, intelligent arguement does not equal whining.

On the other hand, those who happily accept Apple tried and true practice of turning freebies into fee-ies, you may either be too docile and afraid of confrontation or you are a Zealot.

They did it once with .Mac, just did it with iLife, what's next? iTunes updates costr for iPod'ers? Safari paid updates? 10.3.x paid updates? 😕

Apple charged for iDVD with good reason- downloading several gigabytes of info it inconvienent or impossible for most people. Sell them a CD or DVD and they will be happy. iPhoto is not too large to download, ever for modem users, so that excuse goes out the window.

One more question: When you are at the grocery store, and you see a sign that says 3 for $9.00, do you buy three? Do you realize that you can buy one for $3?

As I stated before, the forced bundle is a way for Apple to make more revnue by not allowing consumers to purchse what is needed and necessary. Apple likes to dictate what we do and how we do it. Here is one more way for them to do that.

You say it is unfair to expect something for nothing. How is that different from expecting to pay for only what you want? After all, iPhoto runs independently of iDVD. One does not need the other to run. One just extends the usefulness of the other. Kinda sounds like Apple forcing you to upgrade your RAM if you buy a larger Hard Drive.

 

[autrefois]

Originally posted by idkew
You are reading this wrong. You need a DVD ROM, or a dvd reader to install this, as the apps prolly come on a dvd disc instead of a cd. You do NOT need a DVD RAM drive, or a dvd burner to install.

Which means a CD-RW drive won't work.

 

[JBracy]

I cannot believe that this thread is still alive! Come on people get a grip!

1) Apple has made no definitive statement as to wether or not iPhoto and iMovie will still be free downloads, so just wait a week until it's released and then start bitchin

2) Even if you do need to pay, Apple is not taking anything away. You still have iPhoto 2, iMovie 3 and iDVD 3. If you are happy with what you've got and don't want to pay for the upgrade, then it's up to you. It's not like Apple are saying your old apps are time bombed.

3) iLife is still a perk of buying a Mac. You just don't get free upgrades for life (maybe).

4) Show me 1 other manufacturer who gives away such useful, high quality software - and gives free upgrades as well.

5) You don't pay a premium to Apple for the free software included. You pay for a quality product with the best user experience available. And if any of you have tried to buy a comparable PC system you'll find that unless you build it yourself you'll probably pay a similar price. And what you save by building it yourself is lost on the cost of your time putting it all together and trouble shooting driver issues. (My time is worth ALOT more than what I'd save building a PC.)

In closing: GET A GRIP AND STOP WHINING!!!

 

[idkew]

Originally posted by autrefois
Which means a CD-RW drive won't work.

i didn't realize g4 imacs did not come with combo drives... well, there is one way to get around this if you know someone with a dvd drive. you can image the dvds (if this is the reason for the requirement) and transfer them over ehternet or via an ipod to your dvd-less computer and then mount the image and run the installer.

 

[JBracy]

Originally posted by idkew
One more question: When you are at the grocery store, and you see a sign that says 3 for $9.00, do you buy three? Do you realize that you can buy one for $3?

Actually you do. If it's posted 3 for $9.00 usually you'll find in fine print underneath saying "or $4.00 ea".

If I remember correctly from my time in retail it's actually illegal to advertise something in multiples if it is the same price individually - unless the item is actually packaged in multiples.

That's how retail stores get people to buy more than they would otherwise.

 

[idkew]

Originally posted by JBracy
Actually you do. If it's posted 3 for $9.00 usually you'll find in fine print underneath saying "or $4.00 ea".

If I remember correctly from my time in retail it's actually illegal to advertise something in multiples if it is the same price individually - unless the item is actually packaged in multiples.

That's how retail stores get people to buy more than they would otherwise.

you are mistaken then. i see it all the time at my local store.

 

[JBracy]

Originally posted by idkew
i didn't realize g4 imacs did not come with combo drives... well, there is one way to get around this if you know someone with a dvd drive. you can image the dvds (if this is the reason for the requirement) and transfer them over ehternet or via an ipod to your dvd-less computer and then mount the image and run the installer.

There was only ever 1 model without DVD the original "Good" 15" Flat Panel.

 

[Rower_CPU]

I've posed this question in another thread, but have yet to get a clear answer.

I think people are getting all worked up over the iLife package cost without any clear, definitive answer from Apple as to what will be freely downloadable and what will be included in the for pay package.

I, for one, am waiting until the 16th to get a clear answer, because what Steve didn't say and what C|NET "reports" are in no way a clear picture of the situation.

 

[JBracy]

Originally posted by idkew
you are mistaken then. i see it all the time at my local store.

I'd report them to the Better Business Bureau. It's misleading advertising. Maybe it's a State law in VA.

 

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by JBracy
Actually you do. If it's posted 3 for $9.00 usually you'll find in fine print underneath saying "or $4.00 ea".

If I remember correctly from my time in retail it's actually illegal to advertise something in multiples if it is the same price individually - unless the item is actually packaged in multiples.

That's how retail stores get people to buy more than they would otherwise.

he did say grocery stores...and that's exactly true here in Madison...two for $10 means 1 for $5...plain and simple...

However, I do not think that $49 is a bad price at all for iLife...for me, it just happens that I'll be using at least 3 of the 5 apps... yea me!

 

[GregA]

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
I think the core of the argument is that we (as Apple Consumers) should feel priviledged because we have the OPPORTUNITY to BUY iLife.. No mention, or thought given, to that we already pay a premium on hardware just simply to run the software (and i believe that ifApple were to release an x86 version of Mac OS their monopoly would collapse).. iLife apps were the right of the (double the) price of the hardware.. Now, to those that already have bought the premium priced hardware, the software is no longer a right, it's a priviledge which can be taken away at any time without warning..

When we buy a Mac it costs more than a PC. But we get a better experience, and we get iApps.

Now, we have several yearly costs (all optional of course), such as upgrading the OS yearly, upgrading iApps yearly, paying a yearly .Mac fee. It's not something that's been there before so it seems to be another cost.

Personally, I would rather see Apple making money on these things, AND charging less of a premium for the computer itself. Maybe even setting up an "Apple account" - buy a Mac and get $200 credit to spend on future Apple products - iLife, Quicktime, .Mac, OS updates. That's not going to happen though.

I do agree with other posters who say "All I want is iPhoto, $50 is too much!". If Apple adds programs I don't want and charges as a bundle, that's LESS value to the consumer. An analogy - if I want to buy 1x $10 book and the store only sells it in a $30 bundle with 10 other books I don't like, it's a bad deal for me.

Maybe this is Apple starting to identify itself as a software company. Trying to find a sustainable model. Who knows.

 

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by JBracy
I'd report them to the Better Business Bureau. It's misleading advertising. Maybe it's a State law in VA.

And after having spent some time in the Commonwealth (not technically a state) of VA I'd be inclined to say it's just them...they've got all kinds of screwy laws...(Those aren't meant to be fightin' words - I went to college in VA, just poking).