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iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)
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idkew
macrumors 68020
sorry, forgot to attach the pict.
please call the BBB and the Police. They are breaking the law!
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please call the BBB and the Police. They are breaking the law!
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Actually they are not. They do have the fine print which states the per unit price. If they did not tell you that you had the option of buying only one THEN they would be breaking the law.
Jason
Basically as long as the actual price is in the fine print anything is legal (almost).
But I agree it's way too off topic. It's also almost 2am - I need sleep.
toughboy
macrumors 6502a
I cant believe it!!!
those iapps were one of the reasons for me to buy a mac, when I bought my 12"Pb.. and now, they dont give them for free?!?! oh god!
they dont "sell" iTunes, just because they are afraid that they will loose money from online music store. the rest of those nice apps, they dont care... oh god, Apple looses its image in my perception..
iPhoto was one of the worst application when it was version2.0, and they say they made it faster even if you have 10000s of pics, but what good is that, if I'm not gonna be able to use it..
no pals, sorry, but I'm not going to pay for something which was free to catch attention and made me buy a mac, and now for 50 bucks.. or even more in Europe...
those iapps were one of the reasons for me to buy a mac, when I bought my 12"Pb.. and now, they dont give them for free?!?! oh god!
they dont "sell" iTunes, just because they are afraid that they will loose money from online music store. the rest of those nice apps, they dont care... oh god, Apple looses its image in my perception..
iPhoto was one of the worst application when it was version2.0, and they say they made it faster even if you have 10000s of pics, but what good is that, if I'm not gonna be able to use it..
no pals, sorry, but I'm not going to pay for something which was free to catch attention and made me buy a mac, and now for 50 bucks.. or even more in Europe...
MacOS X/iApps division needed
Honestly, I think that Apple is doing a disservice to itself by not making a clear distinction between what are "features of the OS" and what the suite of iApps actually are.
iPhoto, iMovie and iTunes are listed as apps to "Explore the Digital Lifestyle" on Apple's MacOS X overview page. As such one would think that these apps could be upgraded through Software Update for everyone. And, in my opinion, iDVD should be too for those that just recently bought macs or Panther.
(Sidebar: I personally didn't upgrade to Panther until just recently, partly because of the problems that it apparently had. 10.3 wasn't a polished or GM grade OS, but it seems like 10.3.2 is. Is Apple just trying to get too much out the door too fast?)
As far as the iApps are concerned, I would suggest just wait until the actual release of iLife '04 to see if they are available for upgrade. They did it last year they may do it again.
just my two cents...
Honestly, I think that Apple is doing a disservice to itself by not making a clear distinction between what are "features of the OS" and what the suite of iApps actually are.
iPhoto, iMovie and iTunes are listed as apps to "Explore the Digital Lifestyle" on Apple's MacOS X overview page. As such one would think that these apps could be upgraded through Software Update for everyone. And, in my opinion, iDVD should be too for those that just recently bought macs or Panther.
(Sidebar: I personally didn't upgrade to Panther until just recently, partly because of the problems that it apparently had. 10.3 wasn't a polished or GM grade OS, but it seems like 10.3.2 is. Is Apple just trying to get too much out the door too fast?)
As far as the iApps are concerned, I would suggest just wait until the actual release of iLife '04 to see if they are available for upgrade. They did it last year they may do it again.
just my two cents...
Earendil
macrumors 68000
My apologize, I wrote two posts in a row, and I realize now that of course not everyone is going to relate my first post to my second one. my bad. none the less, you can't say that there aren't complainers on this board, and those are the people I'm talking to. I made a general statement after replying to your post, and I can see, now, how you might have taken that personally.
Originally posted by idkew
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go ahead and send apple a $250 check, as you believe this iL is worth it.
Now, go back and read my post, this is hardly worth replying to. what did I say I would do if Apple charged $250?
Also, you go very far when calling people idiots and whiners here. Whining is when you are saying "This sucks. I hate paying money."
I hope I have corrected myself here
The way you are stating things, if you don't like what Apple says, you are mentally handicapped and immature. A well thought out, intelligent arguement does not equal idiotic whining.
And I never said it did, on the contrary, I said shame on the whiners, kudos to the well thought out arguments of those that weren't happy with Apple's most recent news.
On the other hand, those who happily accept Apple tried and true practice of turning freebies into fee-ies, you may either be too docile and afraid of confrontation or you are a Zealot.
I'm not even sure where that one comes from...
They did it once with .Mac, just did it with iLife, what's next? iTunes updates costr for iPod'ers? Safari paid updates? 10.3.x paid updates? 😕
I think you know that some of those will never happen. but I have a solution to all our problems, Apple should charge people for there new applications up front, like most companies, instead of letting the first few versions go free for a few years. that way no one can be disapointed.
Apple charged for iDVD with good reason- downloading several gigabytes of info it inconvienent or impossible for most people. Sell them a CD or DVD and they will be happy. iPhoto is not too large to download, ever for modem users, so that excuse goes out the window.
I'm not sure why I even state this, because it's been said so many times before in this thread. But, what the heck, I'll say it anyway.
It has NOT been confirmed that you will have to pay jack squat for iTunes, iPhoto, or iMovies. GarageBand is pickin awesome, and build around a $300 program, bets are it won't be free. and iDVD has never been free. all we know is that come the 16th, all 5 will be offered in a single package for $50.
One more question: When you are at the grocery store, and you see a sign that says 3 for $9.00, do you buy three? Do you realize that you can buy one for $3?
Ok, let's say I go to a store and see an Apple (har har) for $9. Now, I know that every other store around is going to charge me $9, or most likely, more. So I see this $9 Apple, and notice that along with it, I get a Banana, Orange, Kiwi, and Pare. Now, I have two options, I can
A: go to the clerk and complain that I don't want all 5 fruit, I hate the other fruit, I want the Apple for $1.80 knowing full well an Apple next door will cost $9 or more.
B: Realize I'm paying the same thing for an Apple here as I would at the next place, take the extra fruit home, and give them to the kids to have fun with. or the pet monkey.
As I stated before, the forced bundle is a way for Apple to make more revnue by not allowing consumers to purchse what is needed and necessary. Apple likes to dictate what we do and how we do it. Here is one more way for them to do that.
forced revenue would be to charge you $30 or even the software standard $50 for each application.
You say it is unfair to expect something for nothing. How is that different from expecting to pay for only what you want? After all, iPhoto runs independently of iDVD. One does not need the other to run. One just extends the usefulness of the other. Kinda sounds like Apple forcing you to upgrade your RAM if you buy a larger Hard Drive.
You know what I'd LOVE to see Apple do at this point? Offer each Application separate, and charge $50 for them. That way, they can recover their cost fully, and people will see the 5 app iLife for the $50 steal that it is.
Tyler
Earendil
Originally posted by idkew
😕
go ahead and send apple a $250 check, as you believe this iL is worth it.
Now, go back and read my post, this is hardly worth replying to. what did I say I would do if Apple charged $250?
Also, you go very far when calling people idiots and whiners here. Whining is when you are saying "This sucks. I hate paying money."
I hope I have corrected myself here
The way you are stating things, if you don't like what Apple says, you are mentally handicapped and immature. A well thought out, intelligent arguement does not equal idiotic whining.
And I never said it did, on the contrary, I said shame on the whiners, kudos to the well thought out arguments of those that weren't happy with Apple's most recent news.
On the other hand, those who happily accept Apple tried and true practice of turning freebies into fee-ies, you may either be too docile and afraid of confrontation or you are a Zealot.
I'm not even sure where that one comes from...
They did it once with .Mac, just did it with iLife, what's next? iTunes updates costr for iPod'ers? Safari paid updates? 10.3.x paid updates? 😕
I think you know that some of those will never happen. but I have a solution to all our problems, Apple should charge people for there new applications up front, like most companies, instead of letting the first few versions go free for a few years. that way no one can be disapointed.
Apple charged for iDVD with good reason- downloading several gigabytes of info it inconvienent or impossible for most people. Sell them a CD or DVD and they will be happy. iPhoto is not too large to download, ever for modem users, so that excuse goes out the window.
I'm not sure why I even state this, because it's been said so many times before in this thread. But, what the heck, I'll say it anyway.
It has NOT been confirmed that you will have to pay jack squat for iTunes, iPhoto, or iMovies. GarageBand is pickin awesome, and build around a $300 program, bets are it won't be free. and iDVD has never been free. all we know is that come the 16th, all 5 will be offered in a single package for $50.
One more question: When you are at the grocery store, and you see a sign that says 3 for $9.00, do you buy three? Do you realize that you can buy one for $3?
Ok, let's say I go to a store and see an Apple (har har) for $9. Now, I know that every other store around is going to charge me $9, or most likely, more. So I see this $9 Apple, and notice that along with it, I get a Banana, Orange, Kiwi, and Pare. Now, I have two options, I can
A: go to the clerk and complain that I don't want all 5 fruit, I hate the other fruit, I want the Apple for $1.80 knowing full well an Apple next door will cost $9 or more.
B: Realize I'm paying the same thing for an Apple here as I would at the next place, take the extra fruit home, and give them to the kids to have fun with. or the pet monkey.
As I stated before, the forced bundle is a way for Apple to make more revnue by not allowing consumers to purchse what is needed and necessary. Apple likes to dictate what we do and how we do it. Here is one more way for them to do that.
forced revenue would be to charge you $30 or even the software standard $50 for each application.
You say it is unfair to expect something for nothing. How is that different from expecting to pay for only what you want? After all, iPhoto runs independently of iDVD. One does not need the other to run. One just extends the usefulness of the other. Kinda sounds like Apple forcing you to upgrade your RAM if you buy a larger Hard Drive.
You know what I'd LOVE to see Apple do at this point? Offer each Application separate, and charge $50 for them. That way, they can recover their cost fully, and people will see the 5 app iLife for the $50 steal that it is.
Tyler
Earendil
autrefois
macrumors 65816
I've been trying unsuccessfully to find out in the archives whether or not SJ announced last year that iLife apps would still be available online to download for free individually, but I can't find any definitive proof (searched "iLife" and "iApps").
I did come across some interesting posts from the past...including one thread from January 9, 2001 (after that year's keynote apparently) about whether there would be another iApp.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1272
"iMovie - iDVD - iTunes - iPhoto - anything missing?"
Even though the name was wrong, they weren't far off with the idea! And someone confirmed that they had a source with info pointing in that direction.
Also talk in other posts about an Apple messenger program, browser, firewire webcam, and so on, back before any of these existed. If you're weird like me, it might be interesting to see what people were guessing in older posts. 🙂
I did come across some interesting posts from the past...including one thread from January 9, 2001 (after that year's keynote apparently) about whether there would be another iApp.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1272
"iMovie - iDVD - iTunes - iPhoto - anything missing?"
Even though the name was wrong, they weren't far off with the idea! And someone confirmed that they had a source with info pointing in that direction.
Also talk in other posts about an Apple messenger program, browser, firewire webcam, and so on, back before any of these existed. If you're weird like me, it might be interesting to see what people were guessing in older posts. 🙂
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
This thread had turned into a debate about whether the iApps should be free upgrades or not.
I expect this new system (if free downloads are not providced in two weeks) will need some getting used to but by the time iLife '05 is released next January with just modest upgrades and no new app, people will be more willing to pay the $49/£39 because it will be expected. It's just the way things are.
What I read into this is that Apple has begun locking itself into a yearly update pattern for the iApps. iTunes is independent, will remain freeware, and the latest version will always be included with iLife. (iTunes makes iLife look even better value.) But don't expect new versions of the other iApps now until a year from now. Maybe, Apple is moving towards a subscription model in general, with perhaps the introduction of an optional once-a-year subscription fee that gets you Mac OS X upgrades, .Mac and iApp upgrades. This would ensure a constant revenuee from old customers for Apple, which fits nicely with the talk of Apple becoming a more software-oriented company. When you buy a new Mac you, in effect, get a free first year subscription (minus .Mac) to help you along (depends on when you buy obviously).
I expect this new system (if free downloads are not providced in two weeks) will need some getting used to but by the time iLife '05 is released next January with just modest upgrades and no new app, people will be more willing to pay the $49/£39 because it will be expected. It's just the way things are.
What I read into this is that Apple has begun locking itself into a yearly update pattern for the iApps. iTunes is independent, will remain freeware, and the latest version will always be included with iLife. (iTunes makes iLife look even better value.) But don't expect new versions of the other iApps now until a year from now. Maybe, Apple is moving towards a subscription model in general, with perhaps the introduction of an optional once-a-year subscription fee that gets you Mac OS X upgrades, .Mac and iApp upgrades. This would ensure a constant revenuee from old customers for Apple, which fits nicely with the talk of Apple becoming a more software-oriented company. When you buy a new Mac you, in effect, get a free first year subscription (minus .Mac) to help you along (depends on when you buy obviously).
oingoboingo
macrumors 6502a
Huh? Apple gives away iLife with any new Macintosh (or copy of OS X, for that matter), and the virtues of the iApps are extolled at length whenever you speak to a sales representative or read the Apple web site. 'Giving away' the iApps is definitely a good business model, because it's a compelling reason for many (especially at the consumer/home level) to go out and buy a Macintosh. Is Apple going to make their fortunes selling boxed copies of iLife '04 for $49 a pop (a whopping $29 to students), or by selling eMacs, iMacs, iBooks, PowerBooks and PowerMacs to people who see this high quality, fully integrated bundle of software included gratis with OS X as a strong reason for owning one in the first place?
It's the same reason Apple gives away iTunes, even to 'heathen' Windows users. Obviously iTunes wasn't free to develop. However, it tempts people to the iTunes Music Store, it tempts people to own an iPod, and it tempts people to want to own a Macintosh and experience the rest of Apple's quality software.
Giving away quality software sounds like a great business model to me.
the future
macrumors 68040
With all the pointless complaining in this thread, the most baffling example must be the poster who said he maybe won't buy a G5 this year as he had planned because iLife costs 49 bucks now. That's just so strange.
Calm Down
Everyone just needs to sit back and calm down.
If you buy a new mac you get these apps bundled for free.
Lets face it these are good applications so why should they be free for everyone forever.
The OS isn't free, keynote, MS office or most other applications are chargeable.
They have 3 very good apps here so a $49 charge is nothing in comparison to other software costs.
If you buy a new machine it comes free, if you want the latest version we have to pay.
Not ideal but I don't see a problem with that. As long as support continues for the older versions we already have then no problem. It's basic business sense.
Everyone just needs to sit back and calm down.
If you buy a new mac you get these apps bundled for free.
Lets face it these are good applications so why should they be free for everyone forever.
The OS isn't free, keynote, MS office or most other applications are chargeable.
They have 3 very good apps here so a $49 charge is nothing in comparison to other software costs.
If you buy a new machine it comes free, if you want the latest version we have to pay.
Not ideal but I don't see a problem with that. As long as support continues for the older versions we already have then no problem. It's basic business sense.
Hey guys!! What are you all complaining about???
You all obviously run fine versions of all existing iApps and now you want even more for free? How long - for life?
All of the upgrades to any of the iApps is alone worth the price of $49 - in my opinion. I understand that anything that is free is even better but we ain't talking about large sums here. If you compare the price to anything out there of any quality it is very reasonable. Considering the quality of these Apps, getting the whole suite for $49 is a bargain. I just bought my mac less than a month ago and I definetely will cash out for this!
I appreciate the fact that Apple did a lot of work on all these apps, including benefits before only available in pro-apps. At least I rather pay a small price for such real performance upgrades than only getting cosmetic upgrades.
Besides GarageBand alone is going to sell a lot(!) of Mac's.
You all obviously run fine versions of all existing iApps and now you want even more for free? How long - for life?
All of the upgrades to any of the iApps is alone worth the price of $49 - in my opinion. I understand that anything that is free is even better but we ain't talking about large sums here. If you compare the price to anything out there of any quality it is very reasonable. Considering the quality of these Apps, getting the whole suite for $49 is a bargain. I just bought my mac less than a month ago and I definetely will cash out for this!
I appreciate the fact that Apple did a lot of work on all these apps, including benefits before only available in pro-apps. At least I rather pay a small price for such real performance upgrades than only getting cosmetic upgrades.
Besides GarageBand alone is going to sell a lot(!) of Mac's.
Apple is still "giving" away the iApps with any new Mac - as a bonus. A great business model as you say.
Where does it in there lay that you are entitled to free upgrades indefinitely of everything aboard?
Besides; the $49 upgrade is not whopping or anything at all. It is more than reasonable. You might try the same with the MS suite of programs (or anything else for that matter) and my guess are that you'll use the iApps more than any other software you have (aside from mail and browser probably).
Great value Apple!!
iApps included in future OS upgrades?
What is more interesting is wether Apple will continue to include the iApps in new Mac OS upgrades... In that case, the package begins to get real value... if not though...
What is more interesting is wether Apple will continue to include the iApps in new Mac OS upgrades... In that case, the package begins to get real value... if not though...
oingoboingo
macrumors 6502a
It would be a stretch to say that iPhoto 2 ran fine. Even on my 1.6GHz G5 it was excruciatingly slow, and I only have a photo collection of approximately 1000 images. Granted though, I don't think people should be expecting brand new apps like Garage Band to magically appear in their Software Update for free. But I do think it is reasonable to expect that iApps which you already own (since they are part of the OS which was shipped with your Mac!) should continue to be updated for free, as long as your operating system is the currently shipping and supported OS (ie: Panther).
I don't see iPhoto or iMovie to be any different to Safari, Mail or Quicktime. They are all integrated and shipping components of OS X. As long as the particular version of OS X that a user is running (Panther 10.2.3 in my case) is being actively supported and updated via Software Update, then I would expect that policy to apply across the board. Would you think it was fair if we needed to start paying for Safari or Mail updates within Panther? What about security fixes and bug patches?
Like I said, I totally support Apple in charging money for all-new apps like Garage Band. But I think it is an insidious form of multi-dipping to expect people to pay for their OS X updates (Panther in this case), and then expect only a few months later for users to stop receiving free updates to major components of their still current operating system, and fork out more cash for updates. Remember that Windows users receive quite major Service Packs for free if they are still running a supported version of Windows.
What I haven't seen anybody discuss on this thread is what the $49 price tag is actually going to result in...a lot of Mac users are just going to get the new iApps through peer-to-peer filesharing software, Bit Torrent, or someone is going to buy iLife 04 and then lend it to 15 of their friends. This doesn't include the 'time honoured' trick of buying the software, burning copies of it for yourself, and then 24 hours later recouping 90% of the software cost on eBay.
In actuality this whole discussion thread is over a moot point. Those who will pay will pay, and those who won't, won't. And everyone will have iLife '04.
And I do agree that Garage Band will sell a lot of Macs.
oingoboingo
macrumors 6502a
iMan, my earlier response did cover some of your comments above. I don't expect that we should expect 'lifetime' upgrades of the iApps, just like we don't expect 'lifetime' upgrades of OS X. But I *do* think it is reasonable to expect updates for the life of the current operating system. So while Panther is still being actively updated, so should all components of it. Why is iPhoto or iMovie any different to Mail? Or Safari? Or Xcode? We all reasonably expect updates to those programs to be freely available to currently supported OS X users, because they are part of the OS. If Apple placed an 'i' in front of Safari, would you be happy to accept that you no longer received Safari updates for free during the supported lifetime of your Panther install?
I guess this argument comes down to whether people see the iApps as being part of OS X or not. They are on the OS X install CDs. They are preinstalled, and all visible in the Dock when you first boot your new Mac. They are referred to on the OS X pages at Apple's website. I would argue they are part of OS X (again, like Safari, Mail, Quicktime, Disk Utility, Calculator, Terminal, etc etc).
And on the MS suite of programs, the analogy would be buying Windows XP, only to find that the free Service Packs no longer included updates for Internet Explorer, and that you needed to pay $49 for IE 7. That's not going to happen. That's what I feel has happened with iLife 04.
flyfish29
macrumors 68020
Re: Ok, But now what...
Apple charges so much for two reasons. They make quality stuff (when compared to M$, PC stuff, and the pieces of crap Walmart sells cheap) and they provide lots of extras on their comptuers as far as software. Yes, I know Apple is being forced to charge for upgrades to some of their software titles but think about the fact that all those people for the last three years of isoftware development that were working on these products were giving it away for free. If you think of other software products most everyone charges for upgrades to products. Appleworks comes on consumer macs but they have always charged for upgrades. Of course we know M$ charges for all upgrades. Think about the extras that Apple has provided over the years. Now OSx provides the ability to not only read but to SAVE as PDF in most every application. You used to have to pay for PDF saving feature software. There are many others, but my point is they make good and some even great applications including the iLife suite. These apps are not for all users and they have never said they were. That is why there are over 10,000 other programs available. If they don't work for you go somplace else...where they will of course charge you for the very first version of their software like all other companies. Lets be glad we have had these iApps free for so long. I made a DVD for my inlaws the other day and used all the iApps which turned out terrific...all of which came on my Mac when I purchased it. Yes, if I want the most current stuff I will have to upgrade, but most Apple mainstream users (not geeks like us) will be perfectly happy with the copy that comes on their macs. lets get the word out that for most people these iLife apps are great for what they want it to do.
'Keep up the great work.
Apple charges so much for two reasons. They make quality stuff (when compared to M$, PC stuff, and the pieces of crap Walmart sells cheap) and they provide lots of extras on their comptuers as far as software. Yes, I know Apple is being forced to charge for upgrades to some of their software titles but think about the fact that all those people for the last three years of isoftware development that were working on these products were giving it away for free. If you think of other software products most everyone charges for upgrades to products. Appleworks comes on consumer macs but they have always charged for upgrades. Of course we know M$ charges for all upgrades. Think about the extras that Apple has provided over the years. Now OSx provides the ability to not only read but to SAVE as PDF in most every application. You used to have to pay for PDF saving feature software. There are many others, but my point is they make good and some even great applications including the iLife suite. These apps are not for all users and they have never said they were. That is why there are over 10,000 other programs available. If they don't work for you go somplace else...where they will of course charge you for the very first version of their software like all other companies. Lets be glad we have had these iApps free for so long. I made a DVD for my inlaws the other day and used all the iApps which turned out terrific...all of which came on my Mac when I purchased it. Yes, if I want the most current stuff I will have to upgrade, but most Apple mainstream users (not geeks like us) will be perfectly happy with the copy that comes on their macs. lets get the word out that for most people these iLife apps are great for what they want it to do.
'Keep up the great work.
This way of thinking would mean that Apple could not release any apps and get paid for it if they not at the same time released a new OS. I am curious to see if all apps are still going in the next OS box (or even Panther from now on).
Also the fixes and patches will of course run for free still - remember this is not a patch, but a real upgrade to the suite. Similar I think you will see that Mail and Safari will only do a major upgrade together with the OS - hence you are "paying" for it that way.
I agree however that these will be on the net quite soon anyway - but I don't think Apple cares. The price for these is not even close to cover the development anyway I guess, so it is more symbolic for the physical package - as iDVD and GarageBand would far to big for downloads (the whole suite requires 4.3 GB). This way Apple probably avoid the apps from not being of same generation - which might possibly cause some compatibility problems... and I like to see those hacking one app for upgrading it and hence complaining about the whole system crashing at Apple discussions 😀
blybug
macrumors 6502a
Imagine for just a moment that the iLife package and all the previously individual components never existed, for free or for pay. Now just think if at yesterday's keynote after the Microsoft Office demo Steve welcomed a developer from Adobe or some other company up on stage who went through a demo of a new never-before-seen software package they were releasing that:
(1) Allows you to purchase, rip, organize and play all your music on your computer, transfer to your portable player, and stream across your network
(2) Imports your digital photos from virtually any camera, organize and edit your pictures, share them on your network or on the web, order prints and other merchandise
(3) Imports digital video, edit it, and fabulous effects and titles, export to a multitude of formats, video tape, or DVD
(4) Create and burn professional looking DVDs of all your video footage
(5) Create your own music with a combination of dozens of electronic instruments, professional loops, and live recording
Furthermore, all of these applications interact with each other, allowing one-click integration and transfer of media and creations from one component to the other. And it will only be available for the Macintosh platform.
Price: $49
The crowd would have gone wild. And who here would not want to buy this package, whether they would necessarily use all the features or not? This scenario is really no different than reality except for one small difference...this package does already exist and you do already have it on your computer. Now you are simply being asked to pay $49 to have the latest version (which, by the way, many of us have paid several times already just to have iDVD updates).
Don't like the price? Stick with the versions you have. They still work, maybe not as smoothly as you'd like or with all the fancy new bells and whistles, but hey, it was free, right? Think of it like many shareware programs...there's a "lite" version that is often free or discounted, and a full-featured version that you have to shell out some cash for.
Having said all that, I'd still like to see Apple offer at least a discount (and maybe even free downloads of iPhoto and iMovie) to .mac members. That would give more perceived value to .mac, which also has been debated into the ground on this forum, and allow Apple to show some goodwill towards its most loyal supporters.
For the record, I've already ordered my iLife '04. I already use the 4 core apps regularly, and look forward to (finally) being able to use iPhoto the way it was meant to be used. Might play around a little with GarageBand, but honestly don't quite understand why this is being bundled with iLife.
(1) Allows you to purchase, rip, organize and play all your music on your computer, transfer to your portable player, and stream across your network
(2) Imports your digital photos from virtually any camera, organize and edit your pictures, share them on your network or on the web, order prints and other merchandise
(3) Imports digital video, edit it, and fabulous effects and titles, export to a multitude of formats, video tape, or DVD
(4) Create and burn professional looking DVDs of all your video footage
(5) Create your own music with a combination of dozens of electronic instruments, professional loops, and live recording
Furthermore, all of these applications interact with each other, allowing one-click integration and transfer of media and creations from one component to the other. And it will only be available for the Macintosh platform.
Price: $49
The crowd would have gone wild. And who here would not want to buy this package, whether they would necessarily use all the features or not? This scenario is really no different than reality except for one small difference...this package does already exist and you do already have it on your computer. Now you are simply being asked to pay $49 to have the latest version (which, by the way, many of us have paid several times already just to have iDVD updates).
Don't like the price? Stick with the versions you have. They still work, maybe not as smoothly as you'd like or with all the fancy new bells and whistles, but hey, it was free, right? Think of it like many shareware programs...there's a "lite" version that is often free or discounted, and a full-featured version that you have to shell out some cash for.
Having said all that, I'd still like to see Apple offer at least a discount (and maybe even free downloads of iPhoto and iMovie) to .mac members. That would give more perceived value to .mac, which also has been debated into the ground on this forum, and allow Apple to show some goodwill towards its most loyal supporters.
For the record, I've already ordered my iLife '04. I already use the 4 core apps regularly, and look forward to (finally) being able to use iPhoto the way it was meant to be used. Might play around a little with GarageBand, but honestly don't quite understand why this is being bundled with iLife.