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Ironic.

There's CAD software for Mac. Google's SketchUp, AutoCAD (I think this is cross platform...) uhhh... I don't use CAD software so I don't really know any others. (I tinkered in SketchUp and there was an architecture class in school that used AutoCAD.)

You wouldn't really pitch the likes of Sketch-up against AutoCAD - that would be like comparing Microsoft Paint with Adobe Photoshop... Bit of a no go really!

As for the pros, a lot of Product Designers actually use SolidWorks - again PC only, but a serious piece of kit in the CAD world. I've heard that a number of (UK) schools have now begun teaching their students a grass roots approach to utilising this piece of kit rather than taking the usual AutoCAD route as it (SolidWorks) is quickly becoming the de facto standard for the industry.

My own involvement with it was due to my previous job, where I would deal with 3D on a fairly large scale and 9 times out 10 Product Designers would hand us SolidWorks files rather than AutoCAD.

Sorry to digress! :D
 
You wouldn't really pitch the likes of Sketch-up against AutoCAD - that would be like comparing Microsoft Paint with Adobe Photoshop... Bit of a no go really!

As for the pros, a lot of Product Designers actually use SolidWorks - again PC only, but a serious piece of kit in the CAD world. I've heard that a number of (UK) schools have now begun teaching their students a grass roots approach to utilising this piece of kit rather than taking the usual AutoCAD route as it (SolidWorks) is quickly becoming the de facto standard for the industry.

My own involvement with it was due to my previous job, where I would deal with 3D on a fairly large scale and 9 times out 10 Product Designers would hand us SolidWorks files rather than AutoCAD.

Sorry to digress! :D

I work extensively in supporting SolidWorks for my company, and you are correct.

However, the software blows! So unstable....
 
And this is valid because? :rolleyes:

Microsoft hired an ad agency to do a campaign, the add agency used the same tools/computers they use all the time.

Would it have made sense for M$ to have chosen an agency based purely on the computers they designers & production people use?

Rumour has it the designers who work on Dell's site also design on Macs. More shocking news at 11
 
And this is valid because? :rolleyes:

Microsoft hired an ad agency to do a campaign, the add agency used the same tools/computers they use all the time.

Would it have made sense for M$ to have chosen an agency based purely on the computers they designers & production people use?

If the purpose of your ad campaign is to try to convince people that your operating system is superior, then you would think what operating system will be used to create that ad campaign would be a factor.

Something in the contract could have been included saying only PCs could be used on the ad campaign, for example. (But maybe they thought they'd open themselves up to an anti-competition lawsuit if they did that...)

The fact a Mac was used for creating portions of these ads doesn't prove anything. It just looks bad. If people on the set of a Coke commercial were drinking Pepsi, don't you think that would be odd? If it turned out the video editing for I'm a Mac and I'm a PC was done on a PC, then I'm sure people would find that funny/strange/bad/etc. too.
 
Well without giving too much away I can tell you that all of HP's advertising (in my country anyway) is done on macs. Always make me laugh. Not too surprising though. Now if Bill gates himself was busted using a mac, THAT would be a story. :D

Not if he was running Windows on it.

Actually, there would be nothing wrong with that. He likes the design and/or hardware for whatever reason, and uses his software. That would be a complement to Mr. Ive's not a condemnation of MSFT.
 
And this is valid because? :rolleyes:

Look, it's just highly IRONIC....nothing else....
That's what this thread is about....

And NO, it's not the same thing as the Dell site, because here we're talking about ads focused on the "I am a PC and I do wonderful stuff" concept, it's very different and far far far more IRONIC....

It's not a fault, it's not weird, it's not a shame, it's not a problem, it's JUST very IRONIC and somehow embarassing. The proof is that they hurried to correct unconvenient sentences on the site (as showed earlier in this thread) and they cleared the metadata.
 
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good job microsoft

haha This seems to be a pervasive method of Microsoft. They always wanted to be Apple, but sucked at it.
 
And yet PCs are in use by 98% of the world.

Sounds like you were born just a couple of years ago, but here's what has happened so far in the recent history: Microsoft engaged in unfair business tactics during the 80's and 90's which have been ruled illegal by courts. So it is not like Microsoft managed to dominate the market because of the quality of their products. Nobody chose Windows.
 
After reading all this post, is funny how some info changes:
  • 98 % of computer users are PC, not the world
  • I am a PC, hey we all are PC's, Mac after all is a PC (Personal Computer)
  • Mac does window, did you know that Mac runs Windows better than any PC box out there.
 
As well as several celebs hired to portray PCs including Eva Longoria Parker, Pharrell Williams, Deepak Chopra, astronaut Bernard Harris, and not to mention, Jerry Seinfeld, who all use a Mac.

Do you have a source for that? Not doubting you, just wondering...
 
Not sure what exactly to make of it. It's not really a big deal, and it's kind of to be expected, but, then again, I have no idea why. Slightly ironic, either way.

I think the point is that Microsoft touts its OS as being the best... yet THEY use Apple OS to do their work.
 
I dunno. The yammerings of the Applezombies are rather amusing, given that it is highly unlikely that the Macs / iPods they're wedded to are designed on software running on OS X as posted by others.

Wasn't there also a Windows cursor on the 4G Nano splash screen on apple.com before it was noticed and removed? Probably because the software that rendered the web-sized preview ran under Parallels / Fusion ;)

If anything all this goes to show that Apple hardware really is used only by people who're too lazy or too entrenched to move to a creative platform which encompasses all elements of design, or have no power to switch either way. Our design shop is 100% Windows, and this was after we switched to Mac for the number crunching - the reason being that we picked the best tools for the job, and they run on the best general-purpose professional OS available. For us, design extends to beyond fiddling with Photoshop / Quark on the Mac.

If you want to put shine on your purely 2-D stuff, OS X - based software still has the edge in some ways, or is no worse than the best Windows solutions available. And I guess the disposable designers for that agency uses Macs. No crime in that.
 
Ironic.



There's CAD software for Mac. Google's SketchUp, AutoCAD (I think this is cross platform...) uhhh... I don't use CAD software so I don't really know any others. (I tinkered in SketchUp and there was an architecture class in school that used AutoCAD.)

AutoCAD is Windows only.

Google Sketup is more of an Architectual AutoCAD program, and relatively simple to AutoCAD.

I don't quite see the big deal...

Can Windows not run on a Mac now or something? The commercial never said you had to choose one or the other.

Don't forget that there's Microsoft Office for Mac (which I wonder how many of you have supported Microsoft by buying and installing it on their Mac).
 
AutoCAD is Windows only.

This is currently correct. AutoCAD was available for the Mac quite a few years ago but supposedly due to a threat from M$ (they had purchased a strong competitor) to enter the CAD market if they did not go Windows only, AutoDesk (the developer of AutoCAD) dropped development for all other platforms.

I use AutoCAD daily (as an engineer) running on my Mac Pro under VMWare and Windows XP. It runs as fast (actually faster in some ways) when operated this way then it did on a PC.

Today, the Mac makes a GREAT engineering workstation in that you can run Windows and Unix engineering software as well as Mac software all on one box; the only platform where this can be done. 5 years ago had anyone suggested that a Mac would be gaining market share in the engineering workstation market I would have thought they were crazy; now it is happening quite rapidly. Many engineering firms I consult with have Mac and plan to purchase more. I my self only moved to the Mac in 2006 (after leaving the Mac in 1995 because AutoCAD was no longer available). I would never go back now.

Dave
 
the ad is just all over the place, makes little sense or purpose.

Pharrell Williams? hes not a PC user, his entire studio and live shows consist of Macs. lol $$$$$ talks
 
This is currently correct. AutoCAD was available for the Mac quite a few years ago but supposedly due to a threat from M$ (they had purchased a strong competitor) to enter the CAD market if they did not go Windows only, AutoDesk (the developer of AutoCAD) dropped development for all other platforms.

I use AutoCAD daily (as an engineer) running on my Mac Pro under VMWare and Windows XP. It runs as fast (actually faster in some ways) when operated this way then it did on a PC.

Today, the Mac makes a GREAT engineering workstation in that you can run Windows and Unix engineering software as well as Mac software all on one box; the only platform where this can be done. 5 years ago had anyone suggested that a Mac would be gaining market share in the engineering workstation market I would have thought they were crazy; now it is happening quite rapidly. Many engineering firms I consult with have Mac and plan to purchase more. I my self only moved to the Mac in 2006 (after leaving the Mac in 1995 because AutoCAD was no longer available). I would never go back now.

Dave

Regardless, there is no CAD programs for Mac OS X that is at least currently maintained. Even if a firm decides to buy a Mac, they're going to need to load Windows on it, which equates to money in the pocket. Microsoft doesn't sell computer hardware, so they couldn't care less as to what platform it's used on.

I'm studying Mechanical Engineering now, and for the most part, for some inane reason, we use Solidworks. It's not a bad program, but I know AutoCAD is used extensively in my field of study (and I believe there is even a specialized version for Mechanical Engineers, I know there is for Architects).

I have a Macbook Pro, and I ran Solidworks under XP and Vista (and performance was poor under both, but I think it had to do with me not using Apple's drivers and rather using beta nvidia drivers). When under Vista/XP on a Mac, performance is the same on a same specced computer (yes, I know about the stupid article that was written a few months after Vista was released that said a Mac was the best computer to run Vista on, but that had more to do with the bloatware most PC manufacturers load on their PCs, which is a TON, and less to do with the hardware). That's not to say it's a bad or good thing. The Apple badge doesn't give a performance boost. :D

After reading all this post, is funny how some info changes:
  • Mac does window, did you know that Mac runs Windows better than any PC box out there.

Did you know that simply isn't true. A Mac does NOT run Windows any better than a PC with the same specifications.

The article you're referring to is this one:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/136649-3/in_pictures_the_most_notable_notebooks_of_2007.html (and you can click it for more info)

First of all, I didn't see any of the laptop specs in the article, except for the Macbook Pro's.

Second of all, there are multiple reasons that even with the same hardware, there can be differences. The most common is drivers (did they load each laptop up with the same drivers for the video card? I doubt it since the manufacturer provides the video card drivers, unless you go to LaptopVideo2Go), and many manufacturers load bloatware with their laptops. If you buy Vista and load it on your Mac, you won't get bloatware. If you reformat the other manufacturer's laptops, and load in a fresh copy of Vista (ie, minus the bloatware), performance is significantly better. One of the most guilty parties is Sony, who charges money to get a laptop bloatware free, although that may have recently changed. Lenovo is another company that's pretty bad about bloatware on their thinkpads. They are loaded up with redundant crap (like battery monitors... WTF!).

Also, they claimed they beat a gateway by a single point... Sorry, but any other place that's reputable (like Anandtech) knows that a single point is not enough to crown a winner, and in fact, they should have said that the two performed the same.
 
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That is pretty ironic though. It's like Jack Thompson saying that violence in video games should be
banned, and then goes home and plays Gears of War.
 
That is pretty ironic though. It's like Jack Thompson saying that violence in video games should be
banned, and then goes home and plays Gears of War.
No it does not, because it wasn't Microsoft who created the image but an advertising agency did.
It's more like Jack Thompson saying that violence in video games should be banned, and then goes home and allows his kids to play Gears of War... and even then the ad agency probably is more independent from Microsoft than Jack Thompson's kids are.
 
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