All iPads I'm angry with Apple, and Disappointed (Safari reloading tabs)

[ZBoater]

And what does THAT have to do with anything?

A better RAM chip would cost 5 or so dollars more, and for those 5 dollars the users would've got a MUCH better browsing experience than they have now.

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My browsing experience on my iPad is superior to that of my Nexus 7.2. Apple makes a superior device that sells better and people like more as proven by their bigger sales. This RAM complaint means nothing to most iPad users. Whatever Google does with their devices they can keep doing, as it doesn't seem to affect Apple in the least. The last thing Apple needs to do is copy Google.

 

[Ezhik]

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My browsing experience on my iPad is superior to that of my Nexus 7.2. Apple makes a superior device that sells better and people like more as proven by their bigger sales. This RAM complaint means nothing to most iPad users. Whatever Google does with their devices they can keep doing, as it doesn't seem to affect Apple in the least. The last thing Apple needs to do is copy Google.

Well then I don't know what the hell is up, because I had this tab issue on every iOS device I have owned: iPod touch 1g, iPhone 3G, iPad 1, iPod touch 4g, and finally the retina iPad mini.

The one single time I did not have this issue was on iPad 1 when I jailbroke it and installed a swap file hack on it - and even then that only worked on iOS 3.2.

Plus just because I used Google as an example of a tablet that doesn't have RAM issues doesn't mean that I want Apple to copy Google.

Seriously, how is more RAM supposed to be a bad thing??

 

[Charliebird]

The last thing Apple needs to do is copy Google.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they copied Google's pricing scheme.

 

[vgamedude]

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they copied Google's pricing scheme.

Haha. Googles prices are nice but they can afford it, they make most of their money on ad revenue from your information and software.

 

[oVerboost]

My space grey iPad mini (non retina) hasn't crashed, or suffered any memory issues either and that only has 512MB. That's running 7.0.4.

 

[Count Blah]

Well then I don't know what the hell is up, because I had this tab issue on every iOS device I have owned: iPod touch 1g, iPhone 3G, iPad 1, iPod touch 4g, and finally the retina iPad mini.

The one single time I did not have this issue was on iPad 1 when I jailbroke it and installed a swap file hack on it - and even then that only worked on iOS 3.2.

Plus just because I used Google as an example of a tablet that doesn't have RAM issues doesn't mean that I want Apple to copy Google.

Seriously, how is more RAM supposed to be a bad thing??

That poster never has any criticism of Apple. That poster will go to any lengths to counter any criticism. Your experiences and mine, are meaningless, apparently.

 

[Dmunjal]

My space grey iPad mini (non retina) hasn't crashed, or suffered any memory issues either and that only has 512MB. That's running 7.0.4.

It's because it is non Retina that it doesn't have the issue. It's a combination of the high resolution of the Retina iPads, iOS 7, and 64-bit.

Quadrupling the resolution but only doubling the RAM wasn't a good idea.

 

[Max(IT)]

Google fit 2 GBs of ram in a device that costs half as much as a retina mini. Apple has no excuse - this has ALWAYS been a problem in iOS, since the very first iPhone.

They fit 2 Gbs because android is waaaaay less optimized than iOS ....

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The fact that the cheaper Nexus managed to fit in two gigabytes of RAM and therefore does not suffer from this problem, and the expensive iPad - which suffered from this problem from the dawn of time (or at least the first iPhone) did not.

I played with a note 10.1 for an entire week and it's not any better than iPad .... Ram or not

 

[calvol]

I'm not sure what you are referring to. My browsing experience on my iPad is superior to that of my Nexus 7.2....

My browsing experience is different. I liked Nexus 7.2 (2013) with Kitkat for browsing much better. I'll give you an example, holding the N7.2 in the left hand, I can easily browse the Internet with one hand, because the back button is in the lower left corner, and I can easily navigate backward and forward with my thumb. The Safari back button is waaay up at the top left corner, making one-hand navigation impossible. Another example is KK's app button is easier to access, navigate and close apps with a simple swipe, left or right, as opposed to iOS having to swipe up and away with a long arm movement. iOS is much less ergonomic, as if Apple tried to make it so simple, it's hard.

Whatever Google does with their devices they can keep doing, as it doesn't seem to affect Apple in the least. The last thing Apple needs to do is copy Google.

I hope Apple isn't this arrogant. They lost at least one sale due to their planned obsolescence product strategy (1GB RAM), when I returned my Air and kept the N7.2, and will likely become more open to buying the N10.2 instead of the next gen Air next year because I have now learned to use Android, and like it.

 

[MikhailT]

My browsing experience is different. I liked Nexus 7.2 (2013) with Kitkat for browsing much better. I'll give you an example, holding the N7.2 in the left hand, I can easily browse the Internet with one hand, because the back button is in the lower left corner, and I can easily navigate backward and forward with my thumb. The Safari back button is waaay up at the top left corner, making one-hand navigation impossible. Another example is KK's app button is easier to access, navigate and close apps with a simple swipe, left or right, as opposed to iOS having to swipe up and away with a long arm movement. iOS is much less ergonomic, as if Apple tried to make it so simple, it's hard. ....

You know you can just swipe from the left to go back, right? You don't have to press the back button at all. It works great for me in the portrait mode on Air. However, landscape is a different story.

As for switching apps, I usually just use the four-finger swipes to switch between apps and never have any needs to close apps.

 

[Max(IT)]

BTW after a few days of heavy usage I can confirm some sort of memory leakage on the 64-bit version of iOS 7.
There is no real difference after boot up , and the normal use of Safari doesn't change almost anything, but after a normally daily use the memory free level remains low, below 150 Mb also with only safari opened.
With the iPad 4 the memory was released when you closed apps.
Something is wrong with the memory management of the 64-bit version of iOS 7, and maybe this is the reason for the tabs reload and crashes some users are reporting.
I'm going to leave a feedback, but I strongly suspect Apple is aware and the issue will be fixed (partially or completely) with 7.1

 

[vgamedude]

BTW after a few days of heavy usage I can confirm some sort of memory leakage on the 64-bit version of iOS 7.
There is no real difference after boot up , and the normal use of Safari doesn't change almost anything, but after a normally daily use the memory free level remains low, below 150 Mb also with only safari opened.
With the iPad 4 the memory was released when you closed apps.
Something is wrong with the memory management of the 64-bit version of iOS 7, and maybe this is the reason for the tabs reload and crashes some users are reporting.
I'm going to leave a feedback, but I strongly suspect Apple is aware and the issue will be fixed (partially or completely) with 7.1

I've been using my iPad all day and it sure seems like that's the case. I have experienced 2 or 3 crashes and they were all later in the day, one was actually whilst using the App Store though which is interesting.

However I'm typing this message on my air right now and it's running pretty dang well, tab reloading is very scarce and pretty much a non issue, I feel stupid almost passing up the iPad in fear of this issue.

 

[Ezhik]

They fit 2 Gbs because android is waaaaay less optimized than iOS

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And yet I wouldn't have the tab issue on a Nexus 7, but would on an iPad.

I played with a note 10.1 for an entire week and it's not any better than iPad .... Ram or not

That's not really the point, is it? I never talked about which device is better - that's all subjective - I'm only talking about this specific RAM issue, and my point is that if Google could afford to spend 5$ more on RAM in a 200$ tablet, Apple should've done the same with a 400$.

 

[ZBoater]

...my point is that if Google could afford to spend 5$ more on RAM in a 200$ tablet, Apple should've done the same with a 400$.

You assume Apple isn't spending the money somewhere else? Not to mention make a profit. This has less to do with RAM costs and more on design philosophy and strategy. It's more than the $5.

 

[petvas]

I think we all agree that 2GB of RAM would do the iPad good. Apple has its reasons not to do that and we just don't know them. We can assume that these reasons might be:

• to maximize their profit
• the additional RAM might need a bit more energy to run, so battery life might be a concern here (which I don't really buy)

It doesn't matter how you see it, but the ipad will remain a consumption device for as long as these limitations exist. RAM is one of them, iOS is the other (but off topic here).

 

[Max(IT)]

And yet I wouldn't have the tab issue on a Nexus 7, but would on an iPad.



That's not really the point, is it? I never talked about which device is better - that's all subjective - I'm only talking about this specific RAM issue, and my point is that if Google could afford to spend 5$ more on RAM in a 200$ tablet, Apple should've done the same with a 400$.

Samsung is trying hard to catch up with Apple, so they are working on a less profit.

The issue you are speaking about is limited on the 64-bit implementation of iOS 7, since I'm not seeing that happen on an iPad 4 but only on the Air.

 

[Max(IT)]

I think we all agree that 2GB of RAM would do the iPad good. Apple has its reasons not to do that and we just don't know them. We can assume that these reasons might be:

• to maximize their profit
• the additional RAM might need a bit more energy to run, so battery life might be a concern here (which I don't really buy)

It doesn't matter how you see it, but the ipad will remain a consumption device for as long as these limitations exist. RAM is one of them, iOS is the other (but off topic here).

Surely it's not about the energy ....
Based on pre-iOS 7 experience they decided 1 Gb to be enough, and 5$ more profit PER UNIT is a huge amount of money if you speak about MILLIONS UNITS SOLD.
Now iOS 7 64-bit has an issue with memory management but I'm sure Apple is dealing with it and maybe we are going to see the problem addressed in the 7.1 release (from what I'm seeing in the iOS 7.1b2 thread).

 

[s2mikey]

Haha. Googles prices are nice but they can afford it, they make most of their money on ad revenue from your information and software.

That is so true. Google is the number one data stealer on this planet. Every service they offer is priced low because it's subsidized by you letting them share your info with everyone on this planet. Hope everyone enjoys the five bucks they saved in exchange for their entire existence.

 

[Abazigal]

Surely it's not about the energy ....
Based on pre-iOS 7 experience they decided 1 Gb to be enough, and 5$ more profit PER UNIT is a huge amount of money if you speak about MILLIONS UNITS SOLD.
Now iOS 7 64-bit has an issue with memory management but I'm sure Apple is dealing with it and maybe we are going to see the problem addressed in the 7.1 release (from what I'm seeing in the iOS 7.1b2 thread).

It's a crazy thought, but I am wondering if Apple is deliberately trying to make the iPhone and iPad scale at the same pace to maintain some sort of compatibility?

Think about it. They both got 1gb of ram and the same A7 processor this year (though the iPad air's processor is clocked slightly faster). Apple didn't even bother pointing this out or trying to sell it as A7X. It was just A7 all the way.

Next year, perhaps they will both get A8 and 2gb of ram? And 2 years later, A10 and 4gb of ram?

Makes little sense to me, since the iPad has a higher resolution (and would benefit from better specs), and people generally expect to run more powerful apps on a tablet compared to a smartphone anyways, but I can't help wondering if this is a deliberate move by Apple?

 

[mtneer]

It's a crazy thought, but I am wondering if Apple is deliberately trying to make the iPhone and iPad scale at the same pace to maintain some sort of compatibility?

Think about it. They both got 1gb of ram and the same A7 processor this year (though the iPad air's processor is clocked slightly faster). Apple didn't even bother pointing this out or trying to sell it as A7X. It was just A7 all the way.

Next year, perhaps they will both get A8 and 2gb of ram? And 2 years later, A10 and 4gb of ram?

Makes little sense to me, since the iPad has a higher resolution (and would benefit from better specs), and people generally expect to run more powerful apps on a tablet compared to a smartphone anyways, but I can't help wondering if this is a deliberate move by Apple?

It most certainly is. Decisions like the amount of RAM to be included do not happen by accident, they are definitely deliberate engineering/ financial decisions. Now, whether you agree with that decision or not, is another matter.

 

[Max(IT)]

This is the first year they used the same chipset on both iPhone and iPad. In the past they used a slightly faster CPU / gpu on the tablet.
This is not a bad thing at all. Think about first generation iPad mini: it was underpowered (basically an iPad 2) compared with iPhone 5 and iPad 4.
This year all the line basically share the same hardware.

I think we are going to see 2 Gb of ram in both iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6.

 

[Abazigal]

It most certainly is. Decisions like the amount of RAM to be included do not happen by accident, they are definitely deliberate engineering/ financial decisions. Now, whether you agree with that decision or not, is another matter.

I guess I misphrased it. What I meant was whether the decision was motivated less so by profit, but more by some desire to unify their IOS devices in terms of specs and capabilities?

 

[petvas]

I don't think so. Apple says the iPhone 5S is forward thinking. I can't accept that knowing that RAM is already on its limits. How forward thinking can a phone really be? I am sure it will run ios 9 very bad, and will be missing features...so I can't accept Apples statesmen about the iPhone 5S...
iOS will always be limited in many ways, as long as it has such low amounts of RAM to play with...

 

[Max(IT)]

I don't think so. Apple says the iPhone 5S is forward thinking. I can't accept that knowing that RAM is already on its limits. How forward thinking can a phone really be? I am sure it will run ios 9 very bad, and will be missing features...so I can't accept Apples statesmen about the iPhone 5S...
iOS will always be limited in many ways, as long as it has such low amounts of RAM to play with...

Who says the ram is already on its limits ?
iOS 7 runs on 512 mb with almost all features enabled, on the iPhone 4S and iPad 2.
What we are seeing is not so well optimized 64-bit implementation, and I think we are going to see improvements on the next releases.
Mobile operative systems don't need a lot of ram to run. From what I understood Android KitKat also runs on 512 Mb smartphones.
iOS 7 64-bit is just the first release of something new, give them time to improve it.

 

[petvas]

Who says the ram is already on its limits ?

iOS 7 runs on 512 mb with almost all features enabled, on the iPhone 4S and iPad 2.

What we are seeing is not so well optimized 64-bit implementation, and I think we are going to see improvements on the next releases.

Mobile operative systems don't need a lot of ram to run. From what I understood Android KitKat also runs on 512 Mb smartphones.

iOS 7 64-bit is just the first release of something new, give them time to improve it.

I am giving them time, I am just saying that people shouldn't expect much from mobile devices. For real work, real computers are needed. For fun iOS devices are great.