iPhone X I'm not getting a new iPhone until the notch is gone.

[booksbooks]

Apple chose to implement the array of elements that currently are on the top of the phone, namely the speaker, sensors, flood illuminator, etc. by creating the visually definable notch. Is it ugly? To some, sure. Is it noticeable? To some, sure. Is it a god awful design? That's not personally something I really care about. I like the iPhone for being what it is, an iPhone. It does everything I want and in an ecosystem I have enjoyed using for years. I'm sure if they had the ability to do so, they would have put all those things inside/under the screen to avoid having to use a notch, but they aren't completely technologically there yet, at least in a way they want. They will be, and maybe sooner rather than later, who knows. To say that people will flock to the iPhone when it gets to the point the notch isn't necessary and say that they want to go back to the notch because it was so great, I just think that's a bit false. No one wants to regress. The notch is one of those "it is what it is" things until it's a technical hurdle Apple can overcome the way they want.

To me the iPhone is great regardless of whatever impactful design elements that might be questionable, at least so far. Nothing they have done with their phone yet has been enough to rile me up to such a polarizing degree that the notch has. I don't go out of my way to hate it, nor do I go out of my way to like it. It just.. is.

Apple chose, but Apple chose to settle. Under Steve Jobs or a more innovative leader than Tim Cook, I'm certain this person would push the team to create a design that didn't have a notch.

I'm not interested in settling, and I hold a company like Apple accountable as well because of how expensive their products are and what their mantra is supposed to be.

While someone like you may settle and simply accept something like a notch, other people, like me, don't. Whether the components can be transparent and embedded in the glass, or miniaturized to a point where they can fit in the small bezel around the screen, or something else, there are innovative possibilities. 4-5 years ago you may have settled on TouchID being linked to a physical button and almost in disbelief that it could be embedded in glass. Now, that is actually a reality. Apple is supposed to leapfrog the competition but they're not doing it.

 

[PieTunes]

Apple chose, but Apple chose to settle. Under Steve Jobs or a more innovative leader than Tim Cook, I'm certain this person would push the team to create a design that didn't have a notch.

I'm not interested in settling, and I hold a company like Apple accountable as well because of how expensive their products are and what their mantra is supposed to be.

While someone like you may settle and simply accept something like a notch, other people, like me, don't. Whether the components can be transparent and embedded in the glass, or miniaturized to a point where they can fit in the small bezel around the screen, or something else, there are innovative possibilities. 4-5 years ago you may have settled on TouchID being linked to a physical button and almost in disbelief that it could be embedded in glass. Now, that is actually a reality. Apple is supposed to leapfrog the competition but they're not doing it.

I completely get that you want innovation that leapfrogs the others and strive for the best in everything that Apple does, and to some degree we all do. Though I have to somewhat think it's hard to say though that Apple is "settling" for something when only they have the technical resources to test and design and engineer every aspect of the iPhone so we really honestly have no idea what they have done, or are doing, behind the scenes. We want them to be innovative but they're not magicians (AirPower comes to mind). I view this as a case of "we're just not there yet." I think one thing we can all agree on is that no matter what Apple does, there will be a vocal contingent of people who don't agree with it, dislike it, hate it.

My educated guess is they felt the notch was the best compromise based on their current limitations and/or design desires. If they put a larger bezel at the top, there would be a larger bezel at the bottom. Then people would bitch about the iPhones having bezels for so long, why can't they be innovative, they should have done this, they should have done that. And if they did do it "this way" or "that way" people will bitch about those, why can't they be innovative, etc.

 

[I7guy]

Apple chose, but Apple chose to settle. Under Steve Jobs or a more innovative leader than Tim Cook, I'm certain this person would push the team to create a design that didn't have a notch.

I'm not interested in settling, and I hold a company like Apple accountable as well because of how expensive their products are and what their mantra is supposed to be.

While someone like you may settle and simply accept something like a notch, other people, like me, don't. Whether the components can be transparent and embedded in the glass, or miniaturized to a point where they can fit in the small bezel around the screen, or something else, there are innovative possibilities. 4-5 years ago you may have settled on TouchID being linked to a physical button and almost in disbelief that it could be embedded in glass. Now, that is actually a reality. Apple is supposed to leapfrog the competition but they're not doing it.

You don't have to settle and can vote with your dollars.

I'm of the opinion Apple chose the best of the scenarios to avoid choices like a pop-up camera, or bigger bezels or off-hole centers. Given that other vendors have other way worse compromises, the notch gives the phone a distinctive look.

Apple has a history of making decisions and not looking back. Of course, leapfrogging is a subjective term and we can discuss subjectivity all day until the cows come home.

As far as the notch, we have a max and Xr. We have been "notchized".

 

[mrex]

Tech isn’t supposed to be pretty, it’s supposed to be functional. That’s where Apple excels.

You are kidding, right?

You are talking about the company which major announces are it is thinner than ever, took another 0,5 microns away to get it more bendable, overheating due to the too tight chassis and insuffient airflow and in the meantime replaced the working keyboard with a new breakable keyboard mechanism... dont open the lid of your new laptop more over 90 degrees, the new cable is designed to be too short and it breaks... then try to use the new pencil with your former ipads or vice versa - as functional as dodo.

Im not sure if we are talking about the same company in the same reality...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You don't have to settle and can vote with your dollars.

I'm of the opinion Apple chose the best of the scenarios to avoid choices like a pop-up camera, or bigger bezels or off-hole centers. Given that other vendors have other way worse compromises, the notch gives the phone a distinctive look.

Apple has a history of making decisions and not looking back. Of course, leapfrogging is a subjective term and we can discuss subjectivity all day until the cows come home.

As far as the notch, we have a max and Xr. We have been "notchized".

It’s all subjective concerning how people view aesthetics. I much prefer what Samsung did with the hole in screen camera, I thought that was very clever. Apple went a different route and despite being pro iPhone I didn’t think it looked very good. You’re right it’s distinctive alright, but for me not distinctive in an appreciative way, just purely by associating it with Apple IMO.

 

[44267547]

Apple chose, but Apple chose to settle. Under Steve Jobs or a more innovative leader than Tim Cook, I'm certain this person would push the team to create a design that didn't have a notch.

You can’t say that, because you’re not certain, because no one could speak for Steve Jobs or any other CEO that could be in Tim Cook’s position. The notch is a hardware designed by a league of engineers that incorporated some of the most intricate/ technological hardware before any other smart for manufacture had this available on the market, and yet; how many of those same manufacturers were duplicating the notch on their smart phones after Apple set the trend? (Rhetorical) Now, explain that to all the other readers in this thread if Apple ‘failed’ at this design.

 

[bambooshots]

Apple chose, but Apple chose to settle. Under Steve Jobs or a more innovative leader than Tim Cook, I'm certain this person would push the team to create a design that didn't have a notch.

I'm not interested in settling, and I hold a company like Apple accountable as well because of how expensive their products are and what their mantra is supposed to be.

While someone like you may settle and simply accept something like a notch, other people, like me, don't. Whether the components can be transparent and embedded in the glass, or miniaturized to a point where they can fit in the small bezel around the screen, or something else, there are innovative possibilities. 4-5 years ago you may have settled on TouchID being linked to a physical button and almost in disbelief that it could be embedded in glass. Now, that is actually a reality. Apple is supposed to leapfrog the competition but they're not doing it.

Jobs is dead. When he was alive, he was one in a million. Ain't nobody gonna replace him.

And you forget that Cook was hand picked by Jobs to succeed him. So why don't you have some faith in Cook?

Get over it.

 

[booksbooks]

Jobs is dead. When he was alive, he was one in a million. Ain't nobody gonna replace him.

And you forget that Cook was hand picked by Jobs to succeed him. So why don't you have some faith in Cook?

Get over it.

I guess you didn't read the part of Jobs's Bio where he inserted a big "BUT" into Cook replacing him. That BUT was, He's not a product guy.
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I completely get that you want innovation that leapfrogs the others and strive for the best in everything that Apple does, and to some degree we all do. Though I have to somewhat think it's hard to say though that Apple is "settling" for something when only they have the technical resources to test and design and engineer every aspect of the iPhone so we really honestly have no idea what they have done, or are doing, behind the scenes. We want them to be innovative but they're not magicians (AirPower comes to mind). I view this as a case of "we're just not there yet." I think one thing we can all agree on is that no matter what Apple does, there will be a vocal contingent of people who don't agree with it, dislike it, hate it.

My educated guess is they felt the notch was the best compromise based on their current limitations and/or design desires. If they put a larger bezel at the top, there would be a larger bezel at the bottom. Then people would bitch about the iPhones having bezels for so long, why can't they be innovative, they should have done this, they should have done that. And if they did do it "this way" or "that way" people will bitch about those, why can't they be innovative, etc.

Apple simply couldn't get anything better done, so the notch was born. It's mediocre.

• The notch creates asymmetry both physically and on the screen. One consequence of this is that there actually becomes a real top and bottom to the device, both of which are different. Try turning the iPhone upside down and see what happens: applications are blocked from rotating 180 degrees and will only go from top notch to landscape and back again. Or, try using the phone in landscape mode say, surfing the Web. On the left or right (depending how you hold it), the notch sticks out and covers content on the screen, whereas the other side is clean.
• The notch disrupts the actual content on the screen. Try zooming into a photo, for instance. The notch covers that part of a photo. Or open up Maps and see what happens: the top chunk of the iPhone including just below the notch is blurred out, making all of that area unusable, shrinking the real usable area of the screen.

The notch is absurd, and will be viewed as such in the future when technology is advanced enough to have it killed. It's just as absurd on a phone as it is on an iMac, TV, smartwatch, etc. The only reason it exists is because Apple seemed to have no other way of getting cameras and sensors on the front of the phone while at the same time having an edge-to-edge screen.
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You can’t say that, because you’re not certain, because no one could speak for Steve Jobs or any other CEO that could be in Tim Cook’s position. The notch is a hardware designed by a league of engineers that incorporated some of the most intricate/ technological hardware before any other smart for manufacture had this available on the market, and yet; how many of those same manufacturers were duplicating the notch on their smart phones after Apple set the trend? (Rhetorical) Now, explain that to all the other readers in this thread if Apple ‘failed’ at this design.

I am certain.

 

[PieTunes]

The notch creates asymmetry both physically and on the screen. One consequence of this is that there actually becomes a real top and bottom to the device, both of which are different. Try turning the iPhone upside down and see what happens: applications are blocked from rotating 180 degrees and will only go from top notch to landscape and back again. Or, try using the phone in landscape mode say, surfing the Web. On the left or right (depending how you hold it), the notch sticks out and covers content on the screen, whereas the other side is clean.

• The notch disrupts the actual content on the screen. Try zooming into a photo, for instance. The notch covers that part of a photo. Or open up Maps and see what happens: the top chunk of the iPhone including just below the notch is blurred out, making all of that area unusable, shrinking the real usable area of the screen.

The notch is absurd, and will be viewed as such in the future when technology is advanced enough to have it killed. It's just as absurd on a phone as it is on an iMac, TV, smartwatch, etc. The only reason it exists is because Apple seemed to have no other way of getting cameras and sensors on the front of the phone while at the same time having an edge-to-edge screen.

Relax. Breathe. We all heard you the first time, there's no need to rehash and repeat and get all bold faced copy paste on us just because we don't agree with you to the same level.

I'm sorry you feel the notch is mediocre and you express such a vile hatred for it. But don't worry, I'm sure as technology improves, it will go away, and you can breathe a huge sigh of relief. Until that time, the best course of action you can take right now is to speak with your wallet, as you said you are going to do.

 

[bambooshots]

I guess you didn't read the part of Jobs's Bio where he inserted a big "BUT" into Cook replacing him. That BUT was, He's not a product guy.
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Apple simply couldn't get anything better done, so the notch was born. It's mediocre.

• The notch creates asymmetry both physically and on the screen. One consequence of this is that there actually becomes a real top and bottom to the device, both of which are different. Try turning the iPhone upside down and see what happens: applications are blocked from rotating 180 degrees and will only go from top notch to landscape and back again. Or, try using the phone in landscape mode say, surfing the Web. On the left or right (depending how you hold it), the notch sticks out and covers content on the screen, whereas the other side is clean.
• The notch disrupts the actual content on the screen. Try zooming into a photo, for instance. The notch covers that part of a photo. Or open up Maps and see what happens: the top chunk of the iPhone including just below the notch is blurred out, making all of that area unusable, shrinking the real usable area of the screen.

The notch is absurd, and will be viewed as such in the future when technology is advanced enough to have it killed. It's just as absurd on a phone as it is on an iMac, TV, smartwatch, etc. The only reason it exists is because Apple seemed to have no other way of getting cameras and sensors on the front of the phone while at the same time having an edge-to-edge screen.
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I am certain.

If what you said is true, then the notch is simply temporary as manufacturing technology catches up with what you (and honestly Apple) wishes to do with their products.

Stop hyperventilating and...just wait.

 

[booksbooks]

Relax. Breathe. We all heard you the first time, there's no need to rehash and repeat and get all bold faced copy paste on us just because we don't agree with you to the same level.

I'm sorry you feel the notch is mediocre and you express such a vile hatred for it. But don't worry, I'm sure as technology improves, it will go away, and you can breathe a huge sigh of relief. Until that time, the best course of action you can take right now is to speak with your wallet, as you said you are going to do.

Relax. It’s all ok. The best thing for you is to continue to vote with your wallet to show support for mediocrity.

 

[SalisburySam]

Couldn’t care less about notch vs. no notch. Not an issue on my new iPhone7...yes, you read that correctly. I have no compunction to get a new model as it is thrust out of Foxconn’s factory. The latest X version doesn’t have/do anything I need beyond what my 7 will accomplish. My issue isn’t the notch. My issue is the lack of new features actually useful to me and a price that far exceeds my willingness to pay.

 

[PieTunes]

Relax. It’s all ok. The best thing for you is to continue to vote with your wallet to show support for mediocrity.

I'm glad we've come to a consensus. The notch is nowhere near a significant issue to me in any regards. It does not impede or affect my workflow and usability of the phone. I am very indifferent about its presence. I don't care if it remains or maybe eventually goes away. So long as the other various elements of the phone, ranging from hardware to software, all do what I need and care about, that's fine with me. I've got so much other stuff in my personal and professional life to care about than the notch on the iPhone.

I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care? Do you view them as "wrong" because their indifference is "supporting mediocrity?" Your posts seem to feel like you take great personal offense that people can be so indifferent about what you view as an industrial design travesty.

 

[satchmo]

I've got so much other stuff in my personal and professional life to care about than the notch on the iPhone.

I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care? Do you view them as "wrong" because their indifference is "supporting mediocrity?" Your posts seem to feel like you take great personal offense that people can be so indifferent about what you view as an industrial design travesty.

This.

Yes, Apple fans are passionate about their devices/brand. We expect a lot since we pay a lot.

Myself, as an old fart who has seen the good and bad from Apple, you realize that no company is perfect. They have a pretty good track record. Are they doomed? No. Have they slipped? Perhaps. Or have the competition just stepped up? I believe they have.

Regardless, at the end of the day, it’s just a phone.

 

[I7guy]

Relax. It’s all ok. The best thing for you is to continue to vote with your wallet to show support for mediocrity.

Sure. I have to think the device is mediocre, which I don’t. Love using the xr and max.

 

[44267547]

Couldn’t care less about notch vs. no notch. Not an issue on my new iPhone7...yes, you read that correctly. I have no compunction to get a new model as it is thrust out of Foxconn’s factory. The latest X version doesn’t have/do anything I need beyond what my 7 will accomplish. My issue isn’t the notch. My issue is the lack of new features actually useful to me and a price that far exceeds my willingness to pay.

Genuinely curious, what features (i.e Wireless charging/True Tone, ect) specifically what would be useful to you that the iPhone doesn’t have that the competition does have? I mean, I see this said regularly, but no one ever seems to back their statement what they want to see the iPhone actually include that would be useful to them over the competition.

 

[omelet1978]

Honestly, I don’t think the notch should be a part of the decision to buy an iPhone or a Galaxy phone. It’s not a big deal in day to day usage and the iPhone X wit iOS 12 is one of the best phones I’ve ever owned.

 

[booksbooks]

I'm glad we've come to a consensus. The notch is nowhere near a significant issue to me in any regards. It does not impede or affect my workflow and usability of the phone. I am very indifferent about its presence. I don't care if it remains or maybe eventually goes away. So long as the other various elements of the phone, ranging from hardware to software, all do what I need and care about, that's fine with me. I've got so much other stuff in my personal and professional life to care about than the notch on the iPhone.

I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care? Do you view them as "wrong" because their indifference is "supporting mediocrity?" Your posts seem to feel like you take great personal offense that people can be so indifferent about what you view as an industrial design travesty.

It’s not believable that you have so much other stuff in your life... you keep coming back here. Why.

Now, here’s your fallacy. What’s clear from your posts is that you make some logical leap to “I” = most everyone. Which is illogical. Like to you, it’s somehow effectively mutually exclusive to have notch likers and notch haters: that there can’t be both.

I make no statements about what “most people think” because I don’t know. But what I do know is that I’ve pointed out real adverse consequences of the notch and the poll here shows that some 26% of people appear to dislike the notch to the point where they won’t buy an iPhone until it’s gone.
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Genuinely curious, what features (i.e Wireless charging/True Tone, ect) specifically what would be useful to you that the iPhone doesn’t have that the competition does have? I mean, I see this said regularly, but no one ever seems to back their statement what they want to see the iPhone actually include that would be useful to them over the competition.

Full edge to edge screen all around. FaceID and TouchID. No camera bump. No notch. Longer battery life. Increased optical zoom on the camera. More RAM.

iOS... don’t get me started.

 

[PieTunes]

It’s not believable that you have so much other stuff in your life... you keep coming back here. Why.

Now, here’s your fallacy. What’s clear from your posts is that you make some logical leap to “I” = most everyone. Which is illogical. Like to you, it’s somehow effectively mutually exclusive to have notch likers and notch haters: that there can’t be both.

I make no statements about what “most people think” because I don’t know. But what I do know is that I’ve pointed out real adverse consequences of the notch and the poll here shows that some 26% of people appear to dislike the notch to the point where they won’t buy an iPhone until it’s gone.

I keep coming back because I enjoy it here

It's good that yourself and 72 other people will not be buying the iPhone strictly based on whether or not it has a notch, that's perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean that the other 202 respondents will buy it explicitly because it *does* have a notch. Those 202 people, myself included, will buy the iPhone based on what features are important, and I assure you the notch itself isn't a selling point where people are going out of their way to buy an iPhone simply because it happens to have one.

It's readily apparent that "most people" (202 is more than 73) don't care about the notch enough in and of itself as the *sole* reason to not buy an iPhone, as your own poll shows. Notch or no notch, it appears as though most people will still buy it.

 

[I7guy]

It’s not believable that you have so much other stuff in your life... you keep coming back here. Why.

Now, here’s your fallacy. What’s clear from your posts is that you make some logical leap to “I” = most everyone. Which is illogical. Like to you, it’s somehow effectively mutually exclusive to have notch likers and notch haters: that there can’t be both.

I make no statements about what “most people think” because I don’t know. But what I do know is that I’ve pointed out real adverse consequences of the notch and the poll here shows that some 26% of people appear to dislike the notch to the point where they won’t buy an iPhone until it’s gone.
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Full edge to edge screen all around. FaceID and TouchID. No camera bump. No notch. Longer battery life. Increased optical zoom on the camera. More RAM.

iOS... don’t get me started.

So 74%. Seems like a majority to me. Those others; maybe they wouldn’t buy an iPhone anyway. Horses for courses as they say.

As I said previously between the max and xr, I’m notched. Both great phones. Ymmv.

 

[booksbooks]

I keep coming back because I enjoy it here

It's good that yourself and 72 other people will not be buying the iPhone strictly based on whether or not it has a notch, that's perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean that the other 202 respondents will buy it explicitly because it *does* have a notch. Those 202 people, myself included, will buy the iPhone based on what features are important, and I assure you the notch itself isn't a selling point where people are going out of their way to buy an iPhone simply because it happens to have one.

It's readily apparent that "most people" (202 is more than 73) don't care about the notch enough in and of itself as the *sole* reason to not buy an iPhone, as your own poll shows. Notch or no notch, it appears as though most people will still buy it.

You’re contradicting yourself. Earlier posts you imply that really nobody cares about the notch.

But the point is about the notch, how it’s a wart that only exists because Apple wasn’t innovative enough to make a phone without it. And now we see innovation with phones with no notch.

 

[kenvip88]

You’re contradicting yourself. Earlier posts you imply that really nobody cares about the notch.

But the point is about the notch, how it’s a wart that only exists because Apple wasn’t innovative enough to make a phone without it. And now we see innovation with phones with no notch.

Those without the Face ID feature

 

[PieTunes]

You’re contradicting yourself. Earlier posts you imply that really nobody cares about the notch.

But the point is about the notch, how it’s a wart that only exists because Apple wasn’t innovative enough to make a phone without it. And now we see innovation with phones with no notch.

I never explicitly said that no one cares about the notch when it's obvious that 26% of respondents in your poll do, but that doesn't discount the additional fact that the *majority* in your poll do not, that's all.

In the thread titled "Current X owners, what, if any, upgrading to?" you did not mention anything at all about the notch. "I'm keeping my X and not upgrading. If I was going to upgrade, it would be to the XS Max. And while I've never been in love with the X screen size (wish it was bigger), I cannot justify the ridiculous price of the XS Max phone. It's absurd that a phone can cost over $1700 with taxes." So back when the XS Max was announced, you're saying that you *would* have upgraded to it if the price were more affordable, even though the Max still has a notch? A larger, obtrusive one at that?

If I had to venture a guess, is the notch now a paramount issue to you because since the XS Max, you're getting envious that other manufacturers are making big beautiful spectacular notch-free phones while Apple is being dumb and stupid and continuing (for now) to stick with a design element you feel they shouldn't have to? It's genuine curiosity is all.

 

[tarsins]

Didn't we have at least one debate about the notch last year which degraded into the usual argumentative mess?

 

[joeblow7777]

Didn't we have at least one debate about the notch last year which degraded into the usual argumentative mess?

I don't understand these debates. Buy what you like. Don't buy what you don't like. Let everyone else do the same. The end.