iPhone X I'm not getting a new iPhone until the notch is gone.

[SalisburySam]

Genuinely curious, what features (i.e Wireless charging/True Tone, ect) specifically what would be useful to you that the iPhone doesn’t have that the competition does have? I mean, I see this said regularly, but no one ever seems to back their statement what they want to see the iPhone actually include that would be useful to them over the competition.

Your question is confusing to me. I have an iPhone7 now and no intention to get a competitor phone. My issue is that the “new, improved” iPhones really offer nothing I need nor want beyond the capabilities of the iPhone7. Wireless charging? Meh. I have so many devices that require plug-in charging and so many adaptors that do that I don’t need yet another style of charging. TrueTone? The iPhone7 has NightShift but not TrueTone. Don’t know I need it. Do know it isn’t worth upgrading to a more expensive iPhone to get it.

Here’s a list of features on new iPhones I don’t want/need/see value in paying for:

1- Thinness - works fine as it is. My iPhone1, 3, 4, 5, 5s, 6, and SE also were fine. Don’t want to sacrifice space for larger batteries for the sake of shaving a millimeter of bulk.
2- Facial recognition - finger on Home button is ridiculously easy, reliable, doesn’t rely on ambient lighting, has not failed me for any reason on any iPhone that’s had TouchID.
3- Sizes over 4.7” diagonal - I don’t watch IMAX movies on my phone. The 4.7” size is fine for my state of visual acuity but not too large as to be cumbersome in the hand or pocket.
4- Multiple cameras - really? This is a need for most buyers?
5- 4K 60fps video recording - not going to remake “Titanic” on my phone, nope, not gonna happen. Besides, the iPhone7 does 4K just at 30fps and 1080p at 30fps and 60fps. For videos of my dog rolling on her ball on the grass, the 1080p at 60fps is already hugely overkill.
6- Bionic processors, next-gen neural network, fusion processors - sounds like a marketer’s wet dream, just smaller/faster to me, a good thing but I’m not doing supercomputing or running the entire airline reservation system on my phone.
7- Portrait mode - gosh, let me recall the numbers of times I’ve take a portrait photo in my life...okay...once with a 35mm SLR camera using a portrait filter. Most people who saw the picture asked why so much of it was out of focus. End of portrait career.
8- Stereo recording - where do I start? If I can get voice dictating for texting, email, and grocery lists, I’m good. Not trying to record a Cleveland Symphony concert here.
9- Animoji/Memoji - umm...just no.
10- High Dynamic Range with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content - yeah, right. Please refer to #3 above.
11- Super Retina Display - if the original Retina display was so named because it had a high enough resolution that the eye could not see individual pixels, what exactly does the Super do that I can actually detect?
12- A price tag north of $750 - that’s all you get from me for a smartphone. I have no use case demanding any features found in more expensive phones. And my iPhone7 was $450 new, one-time, not including my iPhone6 trade-in credit, and I’m very, very satisfied.

And these are just the features I DON’T need from the current iPhones. I have no idea how many features I DON’T need from competitor models.

I hope this answered your question. I’m feeling much better now, so on to that 2nd cuppa.

 

[kenvip88]

Your question is confusing to me. I have an iPhone7 now and no intention to get a competitor phone. My issue is that the “new, improved” iPhones really offer nothing I need nor want beyond the capabilities of the iPhone7. Wireless charging? Meh. I have so many devices that require plug-in charging and so many adaptors that do that I don’t need yet another style of charging. TrueTone? The iPhone7 has NightShift but not TrueTone. Don’t know I need it. Do know it isn’t worth upgrading to a more expensive iPhone to get it.

Here’s a list of features on new iPhones I don’t want/need/see value in paying for:

1- Thinness - works fine as it is. My iPhone1, 3, 4, 5, 5s, 6, and SE also were fine. Don’t want to sacrifice space for larger batteries for the sake of shaving a millimeter of bulk.
2- Facial recognition - finger on Home button is ridiculously easy, reliable, doesn’t rely on ambient lighting, has not failed me for any reason on any iPhone that’s had TouchID.
3- Sizes over 4.7” diagonal - I don’t watch IMAX movies on my phone. The 4.7” size is fine for my state of visual acuity but not too large as to be cumbersome in the hand or pocket.
4- Multiple cameras - really? This is a need for most buyers?
5- 4K 60fps video recording - not going to remake “Titanic” on my phone, nope, not gonna happen. Besides, the iPhone7 does 4K just at 30fps and 1080p at 30fps and 60fps. For videos of my dog rolling on her ball on the grass, the 1080p at 60fps is already hugely overkill.
6- Bionic processors, next-gen neural network, fusion processors - sounds like a marketer’s wet dream, just smaller/faster to me, a good thing but I’m not doing supercomputing or running the entire airline reservation system on my phone.
7- Portrait mode - gosh, let me recall the numbers of times I’ve take a portrait photo in my life...okay...once with a 35mm SLR camera using a portrait filter. Most people who saw the picture asked why so much of it was out of focus. End of portrait career.
8- Stereo recording - where do I start? If I can get voice dictating for texting, email, and grocery lists, I’m good. Not trying to record a Cleveland Symphony concert here.
9- Animoji/Memoji - umm...just no.
10- High Dynamic Range with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content - yeah, right. Please refer to #3 above.
11- Super Retina Display - if the original Retina display was so named because it had a high enough resolution that the eye could not see individual pixels, what exactly does the Super do that I can actually detect?
12- A price tag north of $750 - that’s all you get from me for a smartphone. I have no use case demanding any features found in more expensive phones. And my iPhone7 was $450 new, one-time, not including my iPhone6 trade-in credit, and I’m very, very satisfied.

And these are just the features I DON’T need from the current iPhones. I have no idea how many features I DON’T need from competitor models.

I hope this answered your question. I’m feeling much better now, so on to that 2nd cuppa.

So what are the new feature(s) that you need for the phone???

 

[PeytonT123]

I'm glad we've come to a consensus. The notch is nowhere near a significant issue to me in any regards. It does not impede or affect my workflow and usability of the phone. I am very indifferent about its presence. I don't care if it remains or maybe eventually goes away. So long as the other various elements of the phone, ranging from hardware to software, all do what I need and care about, that's fine with me. I've got so much other stuff in my personal and professional life to care about than the notch on the iPhone.

I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care? Do you view them as "wrong" because their indifference is "supporting mediocrity?" Your posts seem to feel like you take great personal offense that people can be so indifferent about what you view as an industrial design travesty.

This.
Coming from a 7, it’s as if the screen was stretched further to the top corners as opposed to having one big forehead and chin. I kind of like the distinguishable design

 

[SalisburySam]

So what are the new feature(s) that you need for the phone???

None. That’s why I got the iPhone7. Nothing more needed from competitors, nor Apple. Or at least let’s say I’ve seen no features advanced that make me wish to trade in my 7.

 

[44267547]

Your question is confusing to me. I have an iPhone7 now and no intention to get a competitor phone. .

I wasn’t suggesting that you ‘move onto a competitor phone’, I was asking specifically what features would be useful to you that the iPhone doesn’t have that the competition does, being that you’re saying that you don’t care about various features.

1- Thinness - works fine as it is. My iPhone1, 3, 4, 5, 5s, 6, and SE also were fine. Don’t want to sacrifice space for larger batteries for the sake of shaving a millimeter of bulk.

Thinness really isn’t a feature and nor do we choose phones as an option based on this. (It’s the way smart phones are manufactured). For the record, all of Apples iPhones are ‘thin’. I don’t think anyone makes a purchasing decision based on thinness when it comes to smart phones today.

Facial recognition - finger on Home button is ridiculously easy, reliable, doesn’t rely on ambient lighting

This is completely false. Face ID does _not_ rely on ‘ambient lighting’ to unlock your iPhone successfully, it unlocks in the dark/daytime using infrared light and a flood illuminator, which is exactly why it works in night or day.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/how-iphone-x-face-id-works/amp/

- Sizes over 4.7” diagonal - I don’t watch IMAX movies on my phone. The 4.7” size is fine for my state of visual acuity but not too large as to be cumbersome in the hand or pocket..

OK? I have the larger iPhones, but I don’t watch IMAX movies either, I don’t think you need to have a larger iPhone to ‘watch movies’. If you’re comfortable with a smaller size iPhone, that’s great, Apple gives us all options, and we should be fortunate they even offer a 4.7 inch iPhone, given smart phone manufacturers have a greatly moved on from that specific iPhone size.

4- Multiple cameras - really? This is a need for most buyers?

Why are you interjecting the term ‘need’? It’s an option on the more expensive iPhones with the dual camera/telephoto lens. Most buyers don’t necessarily ‘need’ a dual camera, but it doesn’t mean they don’t appreciate it either. You can’t say that you don’t appreciate it, maybe you don’t have experience with it Either. It’s not just Apple offering a dual camera, all the competitors primarily are offering a camera.

- 4K 60fps video recording - not going to remake “Titanic” on my phone, nope, not gonna happen. Besides, the iPhone7 does 4K just at 30fps and 1080p at 30fps and 60fps. For videos of my dog rolling on her ball on the grass, the 1080p at 60fps is already hugely overkill.

I think you’re intentionally exaggerating, again. Isn’t it great that Apple gives the option of using different types if recording methods? I do. If you don’t want to use 4K/60 FPS, then don’t use 4K. I don’t think this necessarily warrants a complaint about it.

- Bionic processors, next-gen neural network, fusion processors - sounds like a marketer’s wet dream, just smaller/faster to me, a good thing but I’m not doing supercomputing or running the entire airline reservation system on my phone..

You definitely lack knowledge on the bionic processor (As well as Face ID for that matter), a large part of what it does, is it works in tandem with Face ID, I don’t know where you’re coming up with this ‘marketing rhetorical and supercomputing running an airline system...’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A11

- Portrait mode - gosh, let me recall the numbers of times I’ve take a portrait photo in my life.

This is another example of you trying to dismiss every single feature including an iPhone that you feel that you shouldn’t have to pay for because it’s ‘included’. The iPhone is packed full of features that I don’t always use either, but I don’t find a reason to dismiss everything just because ‘you don’t use it’. The iPhone wasn’t built custom just for you, it’s built for a demographic that will use certain features that apply to them, but doesn’t mean that they Apple should include it Either.

- Stereo recording - where do I start? If I can get voice dictating for texting, email, and grocery lists, I’m good. Not trying to record a Cleveland Symphony concert here..

I don’t use stereo recording that much either, but I’m not sure why you’re complaining about it? Your Cleveland Symphony example I don’t think is relevant, as it still applies to other situations where would be useful for others.

9- Animoji/Memoji - umm...just no.

Again for like the fourth time, it’s a feature that you don’t have to use, no ones forcing you to use this, it’s technology that’s already included with Face ID, because it does use face ID technology to access Animoji‘s.

- High Dynamic Range with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content - yeah, right

Generally curious, do you even know how HDR works on an iPhone? You mention it, but you don’t really explain that you understand it. I mean I gather you’re complaining that you don’t need it, but I think you're just listing features that you searched off the ‘iPhone tech page’ just to put it as something else that you really don’t know what it is to complain about.

11- Super Retina Display - if the original Retina display was so named because it had a high enough resolution that the eye could not see individual pixels, what exactly does the Super do that I can actually detect?.

It’s a marketing term, there’s no need to overthink it. That’s just what Apple calls it, i.e- like ‘Liquid retina display’ for the XR.

Here is an example of that for you quoted by Phil Schiller:

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/10/22/phil-schiller-iphone-xr-interview/amp/

- A price tag north of $750 - that’s all you get from me for a smartphone. I have no use case demanding any features found in more expensive phones. And my iPhone7 was $450 new, one-time, not including my iPhone6 trade-in credit, and I’m very, very satisfied..

That’s great that you’re satisfied, and you do as a consumer get to choose what you pay for a smart phone, but you just dismissing _every_single_feature the way you have, was just a way for you to feel like you can ‘ala carte’ an iPhone, when it doesn’t work like that. If you’re fine using your 4.7 inch iPhone 7, it doesn’t need for you to make some long winded post about you justifying your Purchase.

I hope this answered your question. I’m feeling much better now, so on to that 2nd cuppa.

I don’t think you really answered my question directly, because I think you misconstrued what I was asking inadvertently. But I didn’t dissect your post down to single you out, I’m trying to break down specifically why you’re dismissing all these features and I think you failed to understand what I was asking, when some of the features/capabilities you really have no knowledge on at all, which doesn’t help your argument(s).

Maybe you’re onto that third cuppa after processing all of this.

 

[PieTunes]

Didn't we have at least one debate about the notch last year which degraded into the usual argumentative mess?

At least one.

 

[booksbooks]

I never explicitly said that no one cares about the notch when it's obvious that 26% of respondents in your poll do, but that doesn't discount the additional fact that the *majority* in your poll do not, that's all.

In the thread titled "Current X owners, what, if any, upgrading to?" you did not mention anything at all about the notch. "I'm keeping my X and not upgrading. If I was going to upgrade, it would be to the XS Max. And while I've never been in love with the X screen size (wish it was bigger), I cannot justify the ridiculous price of the XS Max phone. It's absurd that a phone can cost over $1700 with taxes." So back when the XS Max was announced, you're saying that you *would* have upgraded to it if the price were more affordable, even though the Max still has a notch? A larger, obtrusive one at that?

If I had to venture a guess, is the notch now a paramount issue to you because since the XS Max, you're getting envious that other manufacturers are making big beautiful spectacular notch-free phones while Apple is being dumb and stupid and continuing (for now) to stick with a design element you feel they shouldn't have to? It's genuine curiosity is all.

Yes, I would have bought it at the time. I have no choice with my work and what I was upgrading from. I have always had issues with the notch.
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I never explicitly said that no one cares about the notch...

You said: I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care?

This implies that you generalize a bit too much. It's pointless. I actually don't care that "others" simply don't care, if that is even the case. I care which is what matters. And it turns out so do some others.

 

[PieTunes]

Yes, I would have bought it at the time. I have no choice with my work and what I was upgrading from. I have always had issues with the notch.
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You said: I'm genuinely curious, does it seem unfathomable to you that it's genuinely possible that others just simply don't care?

This implies that you generalize a bit too much. It's pointless. I actually don't care that "others" simply don't care, if that is even the case. I care which is what matters. And it turns out so do some others.

Another honest question. If you don’t care about what others think or care, and only about what matters to you, then what was the point of even creating this poll and thread?

 

[sunapple]

Looking at Android phones, the notch is turned into either a motorized camera (Frankenstein('s monster)), or a hole in the screen. Both of which are equally bad compromises IMO.

Sensors, speakers and cameras under / in screen are coming to the mainstream phones, but Apple will only move when the quality is as good or better than with the notch. Thus far, this was not possible. Three+ years?

 

[maka344]

Looking at Android phones, the notch is turned into either a motorized camera (Frankenstein('s monster)), or a hole in the screen. Both of which are equally bad compromises IMO.

Sensors, speakers and cameras under / in screen are coming to the mainstream phones, but Apple will only move when the quality is as good or better than with the notch. Thus far, this was not possible. Three+ years?

That’s what they want us to believe so we keep upgrading annually.

 

[44267547]

Looking at Android phones, the notch is turned into either a motorized camera (Frankenstein('s monster)), or a hole in the screen. Both of which are equally bad compromises IMO.

Sensors, speakers and cameras under / in screen are coming to the mainstream phones, but Apple will only move when the quality is as good or better than with the notch. Thus far, this was not possible. Three+ years?

I really don’t think the notch is a long-term value for Apple, I think it is kind of an ‘undermined trademark’ for them, because when you do see it, you do identify it as the iPhone, but when the next generation of an iPhone redesign debuts, I do see the notch being completely minimalized or deleted where the technology has matured enough where Apple can implement it in a different way.

 

[booksbooks]

Another honest question. If you don’t care about what others think or care, and only about what matters to you, then what was the point of even creating this poll and thread?

I don’t “care” about what you said “people simply don’t care”. If people don’t “care” about the notch, I don’t “care”. That’s up to them. I care about my wife and the people in my country.

Instead of the word care, I’m interested in the market and design; I’m interested in Apple and why they do things that they do... which is why I’m here and posted this thread.

Also, what happened to all of those things you’re busy with.

Back on track. Do any of you think Apple will do a pop up camera and eliminate the notch.

 

[omelet1978]

Back on track. Do any of you think Apple will do a pop up camera and eliminate the notch.

No they won’t do a pop up camera ever and the notch is pretty much unchanged for next year. I’ve had an X for 8 months now though and the notch for me is not a big deal at all. I’m definitely interested in upgrading to the the iPhone 11 given the speed improvements or if they introduce FaceID 2.0 or something to that extent. Oh and for reference, I used the Samsung Galaxy phones for roughly 5 years before coming back to the iPhone X.

 

[iFone88]

I wasn’t suggesting that you ‘move onto a competitor phone’, I was asking specifically what features would be useful to you that the iPhone doesn’t have that the competition does, being that you’re saying that you don’t care about various features.

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Maybe you’re onto that third cuppa after processing all of this.

Very good post and response.

Sounds to me like the poster, went on a massive rant to justify his reasons in keeping an older iPhone rather than appreciating the options and features that are now available for us to use if we upgrade to a new iPhone.

Nothing is being forced upon anyone. Selling techniques get used to sell new products by one of the most successful and biggest businesses in the world. They also get used by my local supermarket to try and get me to switch to a newer recipe for a cooking sauce, doesn’t mean I’ll change.

Choice is a fine thing haha.

I personally always like to have the latest phone because for the amount I use it, I can appreciate the camera upgrades, the screen upgrades, the chip upgrades- I could go on.

 

[I7guy]

I don’t “care” about what you said “people simply don’t care”. If people don’t “care” about the notch, I don’t “care”. That’s up to them. I care about my wife and the people in my country.

Instead of the word care, I’m interested in the market and design; I’m interested in Apple and why they do things that they do... which is why I’m here and posted this thread.

Also, what happened to all of those things you’re busy with.

Back on track. Do any of you think Apple will do a pop up camera and eliminate the notch.

There’s as much chance as Apple implementing a pop up camera as bringing back the headphone jack and Touch ID or even an in screen FOS. This of course, IMO. I’d like to be proven wrong, but don’t think that will happen.

 

[PieTunes]

I don’t “care” about what you said “people simply don’t care”. If people don’t “care” about the notch, I don’t “care”. That’s up to them. I care about my wife and the people in my country.

Instead of the word care, I’m interested in the market and design; I’m interested in Apple and why they do things that they do... which is why I’m here and posted this thread.

Also, what happened to all of those things you’re busy with.

Back on track. Do any of you think Apple will do a pop up camera and eliminate the notch.

All the things I’m busy with? I’m pretty adept at multitasking, nor does it take much effort to participate in these forums, as I’m sure you’re quite aware.

I sincerely doubt Apple will do a pop up camera anytime soon. They might sooner make the phone thicker to accommodate any more advanced tech that would be required of such a newer camera setup. A moving system is a point of failure waiting to happen. Phones are kept in pockets, purses, locations full of lint and particulates. If such debris can render a MacBook keyboard useless I can only imagine what that could do to a moving system.

 

[booksbooks]

All the things I’m busy with? I’m pretty adept at multitasking, nor does it take much effort to participate in these forums, as I’m sure you’re quite aware.

I sincerely doubt Apple will do a pop up camera anytime soon. They might sooner make the phone thicker to accommodate any more advanced tech that would be required of such a newer camera setup. A moving system is a point of failure waiting to happen. Phones are kept in pockets, purses, locations full of lint and particulates. If such debris can render a MacBook keyboard useless I can only imagine what that could do to a moving system.

A moving system that can be rendered useless in relation to a moving part because of things like debris. So let's explore that. It's not like the iPhone has any moving parts does it? Wait, it does. It has several buttons that depress (volume up, down, power button, lock button). It also has a bunch of holes drilled into the bottom as a makeshift speaker grill. It's also got slit and grill cut into the glass face for the earpiece.

You have no evidence and nothing to support that a popup camera on a smartphone is such that, the smartphone would be more unreliable than an iPhone or that the camera part itself is more unreliable than the current complement of buttons and front camera system on an iPhone. Or that's it's unreliable to the point of being unreasonable. The benefits of a popup camera over a notch:

• The notch houses the sensors and camera on the front of the phone and the glass can be scratched over the camera. A hidden popup camera protects the camera from scratches moreso.
• When the camera is not being used, it's hidden, which can prevent spying whereas the notch is always there with the camera facing the User.
• The popup camera enables the realization of a completely symmetrical, edge-to-edge screen. A notch does not. This enables a better user experience and more usable screen to body ratio.
• The notch creates asymmetry that affects both the aesthetics of the device and usability (e.g., webpages in landscape mode with the notch side cut off; maps with the top blurred out; no completely flipping Apps because the notch makes the phone have a defined top; pinching and zooming on a picture where the notch covers up that part of the picture, and more...). The popup camera eliminates this.

The ideal solution may be transparent components or the miniaturization of components so they can't be seen. As it is, the notch is in many ways inferior to the popup camera, especially when the device has TouchID as well.

 

[PieTunes]

A moving system that can be rendered useless in relation to a moving part because of things like debris. So let's explore that. It's not like the iPhone has any moving parts does it? Wait, it does. It has several buttons that depress (volume up, down, power button, lock button). It also has a bunch of holes drilled into the bottom as a makeshift speaker grill. It's also got slit and grill cut into the glass face for the earpiece.

You have no evidence and nothing to support that a popup camera on a smartphone is such that, the smartphone would be more unreliable than an iPhone or that the camera part itself is more unreliable than the current complement of buttons and front camera system on an iPhone. Or that's it's unreliable to the point of being unreasonable. The benefits of a popup camera over a notch:

• The notch houses the sensors and camera on the front of the phone and the glass can be scratched over the camera. A hidden popup camera protects the camera from scratches moreso.
• When the camera is not being used, it's hidden, which can prevent spying whereas the notch is always there with the camera facing the User.
• The popup camera enables the realization of a completely symmetrical, edge-to-edge screen. A notch does not. This enables a better user experience and more usable screen to body ratio.
• The notch creates asymmetry that affects both the aesthetics of the device and usability (e.g., webpages in landscape mode with the notch side cut off; maps with the top blurred out; no completely flipping Apps because the notch makes the phone have a defined top; pinching and zooming on a picture where the notch covers up that part of the picture, and more...). The popup camera eliminates this.

The ideal solution may be transparent components or the miniaturization of components so they can't be seen. As it is, the notch is in many ways inferior to the popup camera, especially when the device it's on has TouchID as well.

The lightning port and speaker grills are holes that don't move or have other components sliding into them on a regular basis. The buttons don't really move in or out to any degree or depth as a pop up camera module would have to. A pop up module would move up and down maybe a quarter inch or thereabouts. Should sand or debris or something get wedged in the sides while the module is moving, that could probably cause problems as it could scrape/pull it into the phone. Assuming the tolerances are tight between the pop up module and the phone housing itself, it may very well be possible that no debris can get into it, as well as a gasket system or something like that built around it inside the phone. I just don't see, at least based on Apple's track record, them using moving/mechanical parts like that currently. Using glue and solder to hold components together in their devices, replacing trackpads and home buttons with glass panels for their Haptic Engine, etc.

In terms of aesthetics of the device, wouldn't a pop up module by nature ruin that? You would have a better, symmetrical screen sure, but the trade off now is this hideous pop up module "ruining" the look and feel of the phone, and we all know how picky some iPhone users are when it comes to that stuff. I'm not saying it's a bad idea or that I'm for it or against it, just that we'd be replacing one design aesthetic that people would view as ugly with another design aesthetic that other people would view as ugly, and ugly to the point that they won't buy an iPhone until the pop up module is gone.

 

[booksbooks]

The lightning port and speaker grills are holes that don't move or have other components sliding into them on a regular basis. The buttons don't really move in or out to any degree or depth as a pop up camera module would have to. A pop up module would move up and down maybe a quarter inch or thereabouts. Should sand or debris or something get wedged in the sides while the module is moving, that could probably cause problems as it could scrape/pull it into the phone. Assuming the tolerances are tight between the pop up module and the phone housing itself, it may very well be possible that no debris can get into it, as well as a gasket system or something like that built around it inside the phone. I just don't see, at least based on Apple's track record, them using moving/mechanical parts like that currently. Using glue and solder to hold components together in their devices, replacing trackpads and home buttons with glass panels for their Haptic Engine, etc.

In terms of aesthetics of the device, wouldn't a pop up module by nature ruin that? You would have a better, symmetrical screen sure, but the trade off now is this hideous pop up module "ruining" the look and feel of the phone, and we all know how picky some iPhone users are when it comes to that stuff. I'm not saying it's a bad idea or that I'm for it or against it, just that we'd be replacing one design aesthetic that people would view as ugly with another design aesthetic that other people would view as ugly, and ugly to the point that they won't buy an iPhone until the pop up module is gone.

• I never said the the speaker holes, etc. moved. I raised that to counter your claim and comments about debris getting into "moving parts". If debris can get into a tight moving camera mechanism, it can get into speaker grills, earpiece grills, charging ports, and in the crevices of moving parts like buttons on the iPhone. In fact, it gets into my MacBook Pros through the fan grills. There was so much dust and debris inside my MBP that it made the fans make a noise and had to be cleaned out. In other words, having a moving camera doesn't mean that the phone will be prone, in any increased fashion, to not being as reliable as an iPhone or other electronic device just because it has a pop up camera. https://www.imore.com/how-clean-your-iphones-charging-port
• "In terms of aesthetics of the device, wouldn't a pop up module by nature ruin that?" Why. Why in your mind does a pop up module need to be a terrible design? Why is it ugly? Is there something in your mind stopping you from creatively thinking of a pop up camera that looks good? Also, why do the existing pop up modules look bad? What's wrong with them? I'm asking some rhetorical questions here and will point out more after you respond, if you do.

 

[bambooshots]

Back on track. Do any of you think Apple will do a pop up camera and eliminate the notch.

No.

 

[PieTunes]

"In terms of aesthetics of the device, wouldn't a pop up module by nature ruin that?" Why. Why in your mind does a pop up module need to be a terrible design? Why is it ugly? Is there something in your mind stopping you from creatively thinking of a pop up camera that looks good? Also, why do the existing pop up modules look bad? What's wrong with them? I'm asking some rhetorical questions here and will point out more after you respond, if you do.

Isn't that the beauty of subjective opinions? You think the notch is ugly, I don't think the notch is ugly. You can keep pointing out all the reasons you hate the notch, and no matter how logically sound they may be (which I'm not arguing that they aren't), your "facts" about why it's god awful are just subjective opinion. You view symmetry in the screen alone above all else as being of paramount importance in aesthetic design for the iPhone, and there are just as easily a number of people who would view a pop up module as ruining the symmetry of the device as a whole, and to them that is what's important. If it's not symmetrical it's ugly, isn't it?

We all buy our devices based on what is important to us. The presence of the notch is important enough for you that you feel it ruins your experience and usability of the phone, and that's your prerogative. And you know what, if Apple does do away with the notch and gives us a pop up module instead, that's fantastic, because for me it's *still an iPhone* and it will continue to do what I need and want it to do. The millions and millions of people who have bought and continue to buy the iPhone probably feel the same way, notch or no notch, popup module or no popup module.

 

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Isn't that the beauty of subjective opinions? You think the notch is ugly, I don't think the notch is ugly. You can keep pointing out all the reasons you hate the notch, and no matter how logically sound they may be (which I'm not arguing that they aren't), your "facts" about why it's god awful are just subjective opinion. You view symmetry in the screen alone above all else as being of paramount importance in aesthetic design for the iPhone, and there are just as easily a number of people who would view a pop up module as ruining the symmetry of the device as a whole, and to them that is what's important. If it's not symmetrical it's ugly, isn't it?

We all buy our devices based on what is important to us. The presence of the notch is important enough for you that you feel it ruins your experience and usability of the phone, and that's your prerogative. And you know what, if Apple does do away with the notch and gives us a pop up module instead, that's fantastic, because for me it's *still an iPhone* and it will continue to do what I need and want it to do. The millions and millions of people who have bought and continue to buy the iPhone probably feel the same way, notch or no notch, popup module or no popup module.

Ah, now we’re at a point where you’re erecting strawmen.

 

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Ah, now we’re at a point where you’re erecting strawmen.

Rather than point out an alleged logical fallacy and not say anything else, please point out where I was wrong, and if I was wrong, I profusely apologize. But you've given off the appearance that you wish to engage in discourse, though it seems all you just want to hear yourself talk and remain in your own echo chamber. You hate the notch so much and if others don't hate it as well or say they don't care, then you give off the impression in your tone that you think they must be dumb for allowing such a grievous insult to happen, you feel Apple's innovative ways has gone downhill over the years, we're idiots for "settling" just like Apple settled, etc.

Going over your previous posts in other threads, is that what the ultimate root issue is? Apple has gone to hell under Tim Cook's direction, they've lost their drive to innovate since Steve Jobs' passing, and you feel the notch is a constant reminder of what Apple has become over the years?

 

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Rather than point out an alleged logical fallacy and not say anything else, please point out where I was wrong, and if I was wrong, I profusely apologize. But you've given off the appearance that you wish to engage in discourse, though it seems all you just want to hear yourself talk and remain in your own echo chamber. You hate the notch so much and if others don't hate it as well or say they don't care, then you give off the impression in your tone that you think they must be dumb for allowing such a grievous insult to happen, you feel Apple's innovative ways has gone downhill over the years, we're idiots for "settling" just like Apple settled, etc.

Going over your previous posts in other threads, is that what the ultimate root issue is? Apple has gone to hell under Tim Cook's direction, they've lost their drive to innovate since Steve Jobs' passing, and you feel the notch is a constant reminder of what Apple has become over the years?

Let there be strawmen.

 

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Let there be strawmen.

A man of few words now. Thank you for your time.