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Will you buy an iPhone with a notch, or wait until a model arrives with no notch?

  • Not buying an iPhone until the notch is completely gone.

    Votes: 99 26.8%
  • I'll buy an iPhone with a notch.

    Votes: 271 73.2%

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There’s as much chance as Apple implementing a pop up camera as bringing back the headphone jack and Touch ID or even an in screen FOS. This of course, IMO. I’d like to be proven wrong, but don’t think that will happen.
I’d be inclined to agree, at least with regards to the headphone jack. A legacy port like that which only serves a single purpose isn’t part of their vision and I think enough time has elapsed that a lot of people have moved on from it. Regarding Touch ID, there has been some recent indication that they are developing an in screen fingerprint sensor using an array of tiny holes. If that can be perfected, maybe that can be used as well as Face ID as options for device authentication. Of course it could also be new tech for another device or something.

Would it make sense for Apple to use two biometric systems in the same phone, both Touch and Face ID? If anything it would make things easier for the user, depending on their circumstances.
 
I’d be inclined to agree, at least with regards to the headphone jack. A legacy port like that which only serves a single purpose isn’t part of their vision and I think enough time has elapsed that a lot of people have moved on from it. Regarding Touch ID, there has been some recent indication that they are developing an in screen fingerprint sensor using an array of tiny holes. If that can be perfected, maybe that can be used as well as Face ID as options for device authentication. Of course it could also be new tech for another device or something.
It’s a legacy port on an iPhone, but still a very relevant technology generally. I’m not a fan of wireless headphone though as try to keep as many signals away from my head as possible. My solution to the loss of headphone jack was just to remove music from my phone which was no big deal and earned me some storage.
 
It’s a legacy port on an iPhone, but still a very relevant technology generally. I’m not a fan of wireless headphone though as try to keep as many signals away from my head as possible. My solution to the loss of headphone jack was just to remove music from my phone which was no big deal and earned me some storage.
Relevant in general, yes, but apparently not relevant enough to Apple to warrant keeping it, sadly. Courage and all that.
 
which is why you still see so many people using wired headphone still with current iPhones..

Definitely not. Now, my anecdote is I live in a fairly large city, and where I see headphones of all sorts the most is in the gym, and the number one preference I see is definitely wireless, wired has been phasing out for years, being Bluetooth entry-level headphones are cheap enough where someone can still have the convenience without the wires, and they don’t care about any loss with audio quality.

The AirPods are a great choice, but no one has to pay those prices if they want a cheap pair Bluetooth wireless headphones for half that price. No one is being forced to do anything, it’s all by choice.
 
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For some of us, it's a matter of being heard loud and clear. We want the notch gone. The more heat on Apple to improve their phone aesthetics, the sooner it happens. ( note the last sentence does not use the conditional ;) )

That's why I say, buy what you like and don't buy what you don't.

Ultimately, what Apple and every other company responds to is how people vote with their wallets.
 
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Why doesn’t the camera deploy/retract fast. Spoiler: it does. But explain and support your comments.

Do your own homework. Watch the video, it’s not fast in the event of a drop/fall, that’s clear as day.
It is fast enough for its intended use, though.
 
Definitely not. Now, my anecdote is I live in a fairly large city, and where I see headphones of all sorts the most is in the gym, and the number one preference I see is definitely wireless, wired has been phasing out for years, being Bluetooth entry-level headphones are cheap enough where someone can still have the convenience without the wires, and they don’t care about any loss with audio quality.

The AirPods are a great choice, but no one has to pay those prices if they want a cheap pair Bluetooth wireless headphones for half that price. No one is being forced to do anything, it’s all by choice.

I think it depends where you are, I see more wired I have to say. Wales may be vastly different to Los Angeles for example which is why it’s difficult to say what is normal.

You’re right about choice, we buy what we want and AirPods are of no interest to me. Even if they were half the price they are now I’d still opt for a £25 pair of wired, but that is my choice.
 
It won't be going anytime soon because Apple can't do what some of these smaller Android companies do and sacrifice security for looks. Functionality has to come first. It will be interesting to see where it leads but how they get all of those sensors in a less offensive looking package I don't know.

Given the choice right now I'd go for the holepunch over the retracting camera. Not that Apple would ever have something sliding out the top of the iPhone anyway.
 
I would love to do that from here on out and hold onto my xr

But I am weak

Notch isn’t a deal breaker but it’s alreadu looking dated to me and definitely will be by late 2019 when they release phones with it... again...

Jony Ive is looking kinda useless these days
 
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I would love to do that from here on out and hold onto my xr

But I am weak

Notch isn’t a deal breaker but it’s alreadu looking dated to me and definitely will be by late 2019 when they release phones with it... again...

Jony Ive is looking kinda useless these days
When you see phones copying the notch and pop up cameras and off-center holes, one realizes Jing Ive is still very strong.

With 240m Apple customers there are 240m opinions and as such YMMV.
 
When you see phones copying the notch and pop up cameras and off-center holes, one realizes Jing Ive is still very strong.

With 240m Apple customers there are 240m opinions and as such YMMV.

But it’s copying a weird design feature that’s part of a larger success

People don’t love the new phones cause they love the notch.. it’s a compromise for a mostly screen front for now, and people love what the phone can do photography and speed wise

I prefer the Samsung hole punch greatly
 
But it’s copying a weird design feature that’s part of a larger success

People don’t love the new phones cause they love the notch.. it’s a compromise for a mostly screen front for now, and people love what the phone can do photography and speed wise

I prefer the Samsung hole punch greatly
I agree. People don’t buy android for a pop up flash either. It’s just that at least for me the first consideration in a phone is the operating system. Maybe for others differently. Having said that, in my corner of the world, the notch is best of worse possible compromises.
 
Do your own homework. Watch the video, it’s not fast in the event of a drop/fall, that’s clear as day.
It is fast enough for its intended use, though.

How fast is it. What is the time in seconds?

Out of 100 drops, what is the percentage of times the camera fails to retract fast enough to prevent the camera from hitting a surface while being deployed?

Out of 100 drops, what is the percentage of times that the camera is materially damaged?

Also, how much faster or slower is it when it comes to FaceID compared to the iPhone?

Hanging 50 lbs of concrete from the pop up camera:


JerryRigEverything testing it.


Hard drop testing.

 
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Finally a user on here that I agree with 100%. I have been saying this too many times that the notch has got to go. We are getting close my friend I've heard that a credible leaker said that a radical design for phones will be made by Samsung in the second half of 2019. I think some phone out there that the front camera is actually under the screen forgot which ones tho but it was those cheap, poor quality Chinese brands so its going to be piss poor (and most likely done with HUGE compromises as they always do) but once Samsung gets this done properly/technically then we will be so close to no notch design. Hang in there I'm not going to be purchasing an iPhone until they rid of the notch and hopefully flattening the camera bump as well. I have the X too and I will be running this phone to the ground.
 
How fast is it. What is the time in seconds?

Out of 100 drops, what is the percentage of times the camera fails to retract fast enough to prevent the camera from hitting a surface while being deployed?

Out of 100 drops, what is the percentage of times that the camera is materially damaged?

Also, how much faster or slower is it when it comes to FaceID compared to the iPhone?

Hanging 50 lbs of concrete from the pop up camera:


JerryRigEverything testing it.


Hard drop testing.

It's my opinion that this is not a design I want on a smartphone. If you want this smartphone and this design appeals to you then get it. Everything being equal I would pick the notch over off-center camera and pop up flash, especially since the notch houses face id, which has no real equivalent on this model.
 
The only reason there's Face ID at all (with its sensors located in the top notch) is so they could eliminate the home button to reduce the height of the bottom bezel. The reason there's a notch at the top instead of a solid masked status bar is a design choice based solely on a designer's preference (which few people share).
 
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Pop-up camera feels like a regression to me:
  • Another mechanical/moving part that can go bad over time
  • Another point of ingress, potentially making water proofing harder or more prone to failure over time
  • Another thing to potentially delay taking that timely photo
  • The casing/motor/powerlines/etc to make a pop-up camera a possibility take up valuable cubic mm
  • Everyone knows you're taking a photo (much harder to get good, candid shots)
There's probably more issues, those are just the few I come up with off the top of my head, the first two being primary considerations.
 
The only reason there's Face ID at all (with its sensors located in the top notch) is so they could eliminate the home button to reduce the height of the bottom bezel. The reason there's a notch at the top instead of a solid masked status bar is a design choice based solely on a designer's preference (which few people share).

Good points but at least with the notch, instead of a solid bar you get some useful information.
I understand a solid status bar you would get information, but I prefer the black notch surrounded by the bright screen instead.
Just my preference. Others want other options, and that’s good. Suggestion and desires help drive change and innovation.
 
The only reason there's Face ID at all (with its sensors located in the top notch) is so they could eliminate the home button to reduce the height of the bottom bezel. The reason there's a notch at the top instead of a solid masked status bar is a design choice based solely on a designer's preference (which few people share).

Well. Which some people don't share, I would say. Forums have a tendency to favor the annoyed since they're the ones that are motivated to post. Happy people don't do so with nearly as much frequency.

I deal daily with 5 people in my immediate family that have iPhones X (or later)
I deal daily/weekly with many more than that number of friends and coworkers that have iPhone X (or later).

Not a single one has complained about the screen design. Not one.

If the majority of people were nonplussed about the recovered screen on either side of the sensors, I'm sure at least one of them would've complained sometime in the last almost-two years.
 
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I’ve embraced the notch, do I like it? No, but I survived with it on Huawei Mate 20 Pro, P30 Pro and now iPhone X S Max, but I really do hope my next phone does not have a notch or punch hole.

Don’t let the notch stop you from getting a good device.
 
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The only reason there's Face ID at all (with its sensors located in the top notch) is so they could eliminate the home button to reduce the height of the bottom bezel. The reason there's a notch at the top instead of a solid masked status bar is a design choice based solely on a designer's preference (which few people share).

It’s not a design preference. They couldn’t get the cameras and sensors on the front any other way.
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Pop-up camera feels like a regression to me:
  • Another mechanical/moving part that can go bad over time
  • Another point of ingress, potentially making water proofing harder or more prone to failure over time
  • Another thing to potentially delay taking that timely photo
  • The casing/motor/powerlines/etc to make a pop-up camera a possibility take up valuable cubic mm
  • Everyone knows you're taking a photo (much harder to get good, candid shots)
There's probably more issues, those are just the few I come up with off the top of my head, the first two being primary considerations.

The popup camera solves multiple problems, including providing for a complete edge to edge screen.
 
It’s not a design preference. They couldn’t get the cameras and sensors on the front any other way.
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The popup camera solves multiple problems, including providing for a complete edge to edge screen.

That's not a problem, though. That's an aesthetic preference. The things I listed could be very real functional problems.
 
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