This is BS. Bitlocker, TPM and encryption is optional. The user can enable or disable when they want. Furthermore, encryption DOES NOT prevent any repairs. Stop trying to equate PC manufacturers with Apple’s scheming.
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iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro Systems Must Pass Apple Diagnostics to Function After Certain Repairs [Updated]
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i think that, as someone has mentioned above (sarcastically), it is about "planned obsolescence" in way.
yes, apple will hope you will buy a new computer at the end of its natural life (not nefariously calculated life).
i think these new rules will result in a much newer and more capable installed base of machines.
think of it as the physical/mechanical extension of what apple does with its macOS: even today on this very site there is a huge headline story about how quick iOS 12 adoption is. apple and most users of this site are proud of how efficient apple is maintaining a new OS on iOS devices as well as macOS on mac devices.
these new Support/Maintenance rules are the physical equivalent of that.
so as a result of these rules about Support/Maintenance, apple will be fostering an installed base of devices running highly capable systems both software, and now, hardware as well.
just as apple becomes more energy efficient and reliant more and more on renewable energy to power its operations, it will eventually be able to close further its materials (rare earth materials etc) loop as well through more and more recycling.
Re-Reading your first post, I don’t know....
Meh I’ve got a cold coming and am using that as my excuse for interpreting your post in an imaginary way..
Does this not violate right to repair laws?
Due to advanced security features of the Apple T2 chip, iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro models must pass Apple diagnostics for certain repairs to be completed, according to an internal document from Apple obtained by MacRumors.
For the 2018 MacBook Pro, the requirement applies to repairs involving the display, logic board, Touch ID, and top case, which includes the keyboard, battery, trackpad, and speakers, according to the document. For the iMac Pro, the requirement only applies to logic board and flash storage repairs.
If any of these parts are repaired in an iMac Pro or 2018 MacBook Pro, and the Apple diagnostics are not run, this will result in an inoperative system and an incomplete repair, according to Apple's directive to service providers.
Apple's diagnostic suite is limited to internal use by Apple Stores and Apple Authorized Service Providers, as part of what is called the Apple Service Toolkit. As a result, independent repair shops without Apple certification may be unable to repair certain parts on the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro.
Moreover, when the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro are eventually classified as vintage products, meaning they are no longer eligible for hardware service from Apple, repairs through alternative channels might not be possible.
MacRumors has reached out to Apple for comment.
This requirement is a result of the T2 chip, which integrates several previously separate components, including the system management controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller. It also features a Secure Enclave coprocessor for secure boot, encrypted storage, and authenticating Touch ID.
To initiate a Mac repair, visit the Get Support page on Apple.com.
Article Link: iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro Systems Must Pass Apple Diagnostics to Function After Certain Repairs
They made me wipe my iPhone to replace the battery earlier this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day OS X required a Tx chip, maybe even refusing to work on computers with older Tx chips, that way there won't be unsupported Macs running later software.
Very good point! Unless someone is able to reverse engineer them which is highly unlikely, if macOS checks for this chip then that will be the end of the Hackintosh. Also if Apple ditches x86-64 which is looking likely given all of the trouble and delays Intel has been having in the past couple of years. This sort of issue is part of the reason why Apple dumped PowerPC.
Don’t think so. Having the right to repair a device doesn’t mean the company is obligated to make that job easier for you.
I’ve had MacBooks since the G4, and i’ve replaced ram, batteries, fans or drives in each of them. It’s essential to me.
This is, strangely enough, the thing that will send me back to Linux.
I hope there’s a real outcry from this, because it’s deeply ****ed up.
This is, strangely enough, the thing that will send me back to Linux.
I hope there’s a real outcry from this, because it’s deeply ****ed up.
This.
[doublepost=1538705682][/doublepost]I have bought an iBook, many MacBook Pros, iMacs, etc... I have also built PCs since the 1990s. I currently have a hackintosh running Mojave. I will remove the drive and simply switch full time to Windows 10. This is so completely crazy and anti-customer that out of principle it isn’t worth it to me to have Mac OS X any more when I pay NOTHING for it.
We will see on my iPhones and iPads...those may be next. Apple started off making motherboard kits for hobbyists. I miss that Apple.
Due to advanced security features of the Apple T2 chip, iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro models must pass Apple diagnostics for certain repairs to be completed, according to an internal document from Apple obtained by MacRumors.
For the 2018 MacBook Pro, the requirement applies to repairs involving the display, logic board, Touch ID, and top case, which includes the keyboard, battery, trackpad, and speakers, according to the document. For the iMac Pro, the requirement only applies to logic board and flash storage repairs.
If any of these parts are repaired in an iMac Pro or 2018 MacBook Pro, and the Apple diagnostics are not run, this will result in an inoperative system and an incomplete repair, according to Apple's directive to service providers.
Apple's diagnostic suite is limited to internal use by Apple Stores and Apple Authorized Service Providers, as part of what is called the Apple Service Toolkit. As a result, independent repair shops without Apple certification may be unable to repair certain parts on the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro.
Moreover, when the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro are eventually classified as vintage products, meaning they are no longer eligible for hardware service from Apple, repairs through alternative channels might not be possible.
MacRumors has reached out to Apple for comment.
This requirement is a result of the T2 chip, which integrates several previously separate components, including the system management controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller. It also features a Secure Enclave coprocessor for secure boot, encrypted storage, and authenticating Touch ID.
To initiate a Mac repair, visit the Get Support page on Apple.com.
Article Link: iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro Systems Must Pass Apple Diagnostics to Function After Certain Repairs
I have loved Apple for years, but they are slowly becoming Betamax, while everyone else is focused on VHS (Amazon, Google, Samsung LG). They have only been able to create one speaker when music is in their DNA. No mouse for the iPad even though they invented the mouse. Apple use to be convinced all phones should be one size until Samsung started to take the market. Wake up Apple, the love for Apple is more than emojis.
Due to advanced security features of the Apple T2 chip, iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro models must pass Apple diagnostics for certain repairs to be completed, according to an internal document from Apple obtained by MacRumors.
For the 2018 MacBook Pro, the requirement applies to repairs involving the display, logic board, Touch ID, and top case, which includes the keyboard, battery, trackpad, and speakers, according to the document. For the iMac Pro, the requirement only applies to logic board and flash storage repairs.
If any of these parts are repaired in an iMac Pro or 2018 MacBook Pro, and the Apple diagnostics are not run, this will result in an inoperative system and an incomplete repair, according to Apple's directive to service providers.
Apple's diagnostic suite is limited to internal use by Apple Stores and Apple Authorized Service Providers, as part of what is called the Apple Service Toolkit. As a result, independent repair shops without Apple certification may be unable to repair certain parts on the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro.
Moreover, when the iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro are eventually classified as vintage products, meaning they are no longer eligible for hardware service from Apple, repairs through alternative channels might not be possible.
MacRumors has reached out to Apple for comment.
This requirement is a result of the T2 chip, which integrates several previously separate components, including the system management controller, image signal processor, audio controller, and SSD controller. It also features a Secure Enclave coprocessor for secure boot, encrypted storage, and authenticating Touch ID.
To initiate a Mac repair, visit the Get Support page on Apple.com.
Article Link: iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro Systems Must Pass Apple Diagnostics to Function After Certain Repairs
Tell you to buy a new machine?
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That Apple is never coming back.
Any zealot corporation that introduces a draconian policy like this article suggests will have zero chance of unlocking Macs once they are ready for the trash.
Dear Apple,
Thanks,
Microsoft
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What security standpoint is that? This is a pure greed money grab. Apple are a crooked corporation who want your every dollar and you will pay up.
Another nail in the coffin. I fully expect to have full control of the system, not be hemmed in by Apple forcing obsolescence. Older hardware can be repurposed for numerous tasks, equally if unrepairable by design the value significantly diminishes...
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You clearly have no clue who the target audience for the $10,000 iMac Pro . This is a PRO machine used by PROFESSIONALS. This is not a next step up from your moms ipad, this is designed and built for professional animators, editors and high end scientific applications. $10,000 is a drop in the bucket for companies that need and depend on the fastest and most powerful hardware!
100% this. I regularly use brand spanking new windows PCs - both personal and for business. Windows does not force encryption by default. My company who offers PCs for employees has to enable it all themselves before distributing the machines.
Also with bitlocker you can move your encrypted drive to a new machine given that you have the backup code (which Microsoft, of course, highly recommends you use). I've done that myself, it's actually quite painless.
You really shouldn't be developing for the "bleeding edge". People are keeping computers like ger than ever. Companies aren't replacing as fast. Growth in the industry is in the developing world where budget machines dominate.
[doublepost=1538720072][/doublepost]An investment in a tool that enables you to do productive work is an investment, even if the asset depreciates over time. That's why companies depreciate the assets they buy yet the CFO still approves.
So Apple is now saying "we only sell disposable hardware to our pro users" now?
BTW the Macbook pro isn't "$10,000"
The lengths Apple is going to prevent people from repairing their computer, and to force them to buy a new one or pay for their outrageous repairs prices is scary!
If you buy a Mac, just be aware, that after the 1 year of warranty has expired, there's a high chance you can literally throw it in the trash. Great for the environment, great for Apple!
Only getting 1 guaranteed year for a Mac is too expensive. Every Mac I've owned had to have some sort of repairs done to it, and when those repairs cost more than the price of a new computer with Apple, I brought it to an independent repair shop for a fraction of the price.
If you buy a Mac, just be aware, that after the 1 year of warranty has expired, there's a high chance you can literally throw it in the trash. Great for the environment, great for Apple!
Only getting 1 guaranteed year for a Mac is too expensive. Every Mac I've owned had to have some sort of repairs done to it, and when those repairs cost more than the price of a new computer with Apple, I brought it to an independent repair shop for a fraction of the price.
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As an ex "genius" this comes as no surprise they went that way with the phones.This behaviour is anti consumer and all about making more money.
Someone who steals your data to make a profit is very unlikely to worry about complying with data protection laws...
They're also very unlikely to be caught.
