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I'm no expert, but isn't it a good thing to be able to ditch Whatsapp for communication with Android users?
 
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The DSA will, for the most part, harm American companies – big US corporations. Therefore, it will harm the US. Policy makers in Washington should wake up.

This will end up being an EU vs. US issue.

An apt response by the US would be to impose new tariffs on all European consumer goods.
US lawmakers want to do something similar themselves so possible but unlikely.
 
So you create something (iMessage) but then the government (EU) forces you to allow your competitors to take advantage of it without compensation. You did all the work and they reap all the benefits. How does this make sense? Who would want to develop and sell products under these terms?
 
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The DMA will, for the most part, harm American companies – big US corporations. Therefore, it will harm the US. Policy makers in Washington should wake up.

This will end up being an EU vs. US issue.

An apt response by the US would be to impose new tariffs on all European consumer goods.

Which would trigger immediate countermeasures on all American consumer goods. Then what, screw Apple over twice? That sounds like a winning proposition.
 
That's the problem though, right? Sure they can switch to Android but then lose out on iMessage. Locking users behind that choice is exactly the kind of vendor lock in that EU wants to get rid of.

As an example, I recently switched to Android and my family is all using iMessage group chats. They don't work over SMS. All other chat apps are supported on both platforms but not iMessage. It's high time for a regulation. Having to choose your phone based on if iMessage is supported is crazy.
You bought the iPhone knowing iMessage is iPhone only!

WhatsApp has been around long before the iPhone was even made. So you knew where you stood on that.

All the other messaging Apps don’t have not been made by a hardware manufacturer.

You argument doesn’t hold water.
 
What bugs me the most about legislation line this, which is written to supposedly benefit the consumer, is that I am sure they never ASKED any iPhone users (the iPhone consumers only) whether they wanted this or not. I am sure they didn't

If forced to do these things, they should make them all optional in preferences, defaulting to off, and if turned on, the user gets a dialog box warning them that by doing so, they will no longer have AppleCare support, they will pay more for repairs and service, will lose their iCloud and other free connected services, and if their iPhone payments are monthly, they have to pay the remaining fees immediately. They are on their own.
 
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Not sure if I am happy about this…

If I wanted to send messages to WhatsApp I would use it but I don’t.

What about if I dont what to send messages there or get messages from there? Sure hope there is a way to block it.

Thanks for not asking EU ??
 
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I totally support alternative app stores and payment methods, but forcing iMessage interoperability makes no sense. A messaging service wants to offer certain features without requiring other messaging services to support those features.
Why? Don't see everything in a negative kind of way. Ever heard of Html and the standardisation of Html? If you do, have you also heard of XMPP? So if all the messenger folks get together and either use oder use/extend XMPP or invent a new messaging protocol, we're almost there.

Also the Apple fans crying about 3rd party AppStores and 3rd Party IAP. What will happen is called competition. Competition is the reason for evolution - evolution is the reason why animals/humans, insects, mushrooms and ... exist today. It is the reason why birds have color. Evolution is the reason for photosynthesis.

But back to AppStores. If two or three AppStores exist, the best will win. It is simply not the case that developers will leave Apples AppStore. It is more likely that Apples AppStore will change: Cheaper, better user experience, added flexibility, less restrictive. It has to, since Apple wants the developers to stay.

Evolution is really not a bad thing, but Apple needs it badly. Competition is the key to evolution.
 
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I think the solution is to allow multiple app stores but make every one of them conform to a single security policy. I do think EU's political stance and possible pressure from the DoJ Antitrust Division and the FTC may force Apple and Google to merge iMessage and Google's Rich Communications Services (RCS) into a single messaging standard, whether Apple likes it or not.
 
Opening up iMessage seems cool. the 3rd party stores tho? Wonder what that will turn into besides the wild west with malware.
exactly why is opening iMessage a good thing? to text between your desired app and iMessage? why can't the person your chatting with download and create an account for that app and be done? why does Apple need to sacrifice end to end encryption so that yahoo messenger works with iMessage? will Yahoo Messenger be required to work across all possible chat apps as well??
 
Why? Don't see everything in a negative kind of way. Ever heard of Html and the standardisation of Html? If you do, have you also heard of XMPP? So if all the messenger folks get together and either use oder use/extend XMPP or invent a new messaging protocol, we're almost there.

Also the Apple fans crying about 3rd party AppStores and 3rd Party IAP. What will happen is called competition. Competition is the reason for evolution - evolution is the reason why animals/humans, insects, mushrooms and ... exist today. It is the reason why birds have color. Evolution is the reason for photosynthesis.

But back to AppStores. If two or three AppStores exist, the best will win. It is simply not the case that developers will leave Apples AppStore. It is more likely that Apples AppStore will change: Cheaper, better user experience, added flexibility, less restrictive. It has to, since Apple wants the developers to stay.

Evolution is really not a bad thing, but Apple needs it badly. Competition is the key to evolution.
Nothing in this post requires government intervention to make it happen.
 
exactly why is opening iMessage a good thing? to text between your desired app and iMessage? why can't the person your chatting with download and create an account for that app and be done? why does Apple need to sacrifice end to end encryption so that yahoo messenger works with iMessage? will Yahoo Messenger be required to work across all possible chat apps as well??
What gives you the idea that Apple would be compelled to "sacrifice" end-to-end encryption in iMessage?

That is not at all what this does!

iMessage can remain exactly as private and secure as it has always been, other messaging services can just request the opportunity for iMessage users to decide themselves to send messages to users of those other services, too, and receive messages from there, too.

If a user does not choose to do this (and blocks messages from users of other services) nothing changes at all, but that is now the decision of each user, not of the owner of the native service (Apple in this case)!
 
Not sure if I am happy about this…

If I wanted to send messages to WhatsApp I would use it but I don’t.

What about if I dont what to send messages there or get messages from there? Sure hope there is a way to block it.

Thanks for not asking EU ??
Actually, the EU regulation puts that decision into your own hands. What changes is that Apple can't force you any more to install that other service instead.
 
Apple did provide proof that they:

A. Used privacy/security as a major marketing element for iOS
B. That iOS was a more private/secure system than Android, Windows, Mac
C. That iOS customers valued privacy/security

So privacy/security was a competitive feature for Apple. And the EU wants to ignore privacy/security as being competitive.
Not at all, as evidenced by GDPR already.

Legitimate security concerns remain relevant, so gateways will need to retain privacy and security and operate on the basis of expressed user consent where necessary.
 
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What gives you the idea that Apple would be compelled to "sacrifice" end-to-end encryption in iMessage?

That is not at all what this does!

iMessage can remain exactly as private and secure as it has always been, other messaging services can just request the opportunity for iMessage users to decide themselves to send messages to users of those other services, too, and receive messages from there, too.

If a user does not choose to do this (and blocks messages from users of other services) nothing changes at all, but that is now the decision of each user, not of the owner of the native service (Apple in this case)!
why can't the person just download the message app that they want to speak on? explain this slowly please cause I don't get why if my friend uses WhatsApp, I cannot simply download WhatsApp and begin chatting. will WhatsApp be forced to accept messages from ALL possible chat apps now and in the future???
 
So you create something (iMessage) but then the government (EU) forces you to allow your competitors to take advantage of it without compensation. You did all the work and they reap all the benefits. How does this make sense? Who would want to develop and sell products under these terms?
All the named kinds of services are relatively basic commodities nowadays, containing relatively limited amounts of innovation beyond relatively minor frills and perks.

What the EU addresses here is the anti-competitive abuse of the "stickiness" of such commodity services by using them as a lever to increase their overall market position at the expense of the competition.

Compete with actual innovation all you want, just don't try to leverage incompatibility and existing market position to block your competition.
 
Actually, the EU regulation puts that decision into your own hands. What changes is that Apple can't force you any more to install that other service instead.
if Apple "forces" you to install WhatsApp in order to receive WhatsApp chats, doesn't that mean WhatsApp "forced" you to install their app in order to use their chat? does WhatsApp accept messages from all other current and future chat apps? why aren't they being forced to open their app up to allow messages from competing chat apps?
 
What bugs me the most about legislation line this, which is written to supposedly benefit the consumer, is that I am sure they never ASKED any iPhone users (the iPhone consumers only) whether they wanted this or not. I am sure they didn't

If forced to do these things, they should make them all optional in preferences, defaulting to off, and if turned on, the user gets a dialog box warning them that by doing so, they will no longer have AppleCare support, they will pay more for repairs and service, will lose their iCloud and other free connected services, and if their iPhone payments are monthly, they have to pay the remaining fees immediately. They are on their own.
The whole point of all this is to hand the actual users the power to make those choices!

The status quo is that large gatekeeper corporations force the user to stay limited to only their silo, abusing it as platform leverage. The new rules take many of those levers out of the hands of those gatekeepers and hand the decisions over to the users.
 
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