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Really? I thought they were released after. But I could be wrong. Still, I just want an MBA with a removable battery!!!!!

Yes. Someone confirmed the date, but I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm sure it's under the buyer's guide, I think it was sometime in August.

The MB's DO have DVD burners, just not the cheapo base model.

Ah, I see. I wasn't planning on getting that one anyways. :D
 
No... I'm acting like I do know what I'm talking about. Grammar and syntax are fun!

Apple is not one to support DRM, and HDCP is the biggest pile of DRM yet.

Whilst I recall that Jobs specifically wrote an open letter to some of the big music companies, in the interests of balance it's worth me mentioning that I'm sure I've read somewhere that Apple enforces 5 DVD region code changes, when it could actually allow for more...
 
ok, sorry, but not more than 6months.. and nehalem comes in feb2009 i thought..

mobile nehalem is going to be released Q3 2009 even though desktop nehalem will be released earlier than that. in between now and nehalem, there will be a few incremental bumps here and there (for ex, quad core processor on Montevina) but no significant architecture change until then
 
While Apple is pushing digital downloads, with the large broadband providers like Comcast and Time-Warner actively considering large surcharges on their heaviest users - and downloading a dozen or more HD iTunes movies a month would be pretty heavy - adoption might not be as fast as Apple is hoping/expecting. As such, it may push them to consider adding Blu-Ray as a BTO option on some of their higher-end configurations.

The specs I have seen put the X4500 IGPU around the performance of an nVidia 8300GS/8400GS.

And now that it is apparent that a new case is in production, that is strong evidence that Apple will release Montevina sooner rather then later - 30 to 60 days is my guesstimate.
 
The MBA led all other laptops in sales this year.

Link please. I don't believe this to be true. There is no way the MBA led *all* other laptop sales this year, but I also doubt it led Apples laptop sales.

And no, saying it's has the #1 spot on the Apple store doesn't count. That's marketing at work.
 
QFT

And yet Apple has refused to listen. There are so man people (like me) who want a dedicated graphics card, and yet don't want to spend $1000 extra to get a MBP, with extra power and features they won't use. And including that combo drive on a $1300 computer is enough to drive anyone crazy. Who sells combo drives even on $500 computers?

The only major differences between the high-end MB and the base MBP is the graphics card and the larger screen. By not offering a graphics card on the MB, they are pushing you to buy the much more expensive MBP.
 
The only major differences between the high-end MB and the base MBP is the graphics card and the larger screen. By not offering a graphics card on the MB, they are pushing you to buy the much more expensive MBP.

You have to admit, this is still pretty ridiculous though..

I'm not paying extra for a dedicated graphics card when I can spend that extra money and go buy a PS3 for my gaming needs and have a blu-ray player with that. Two wins for me and one lose for Apple.
 
new mbp form factor and chipset

the new mbps will be here very soon. there is a lot of internal pressure at apple and intel to get these into the market place.
 
mobile nehalem is going to be released Q3 2009 even though desktop nehalem will be released earlier than that. in between now and nehalem, there will be a few incremental bumps here and there (for ex, quad core processor on Montevina) but no significant architecture change until then

While that may have some veracity, the bottom line is that Intel didn't invest in research for the Montevina just so laptop / desktop producers would just wait until Intel finished Nehalem.
 
its times like this you wish you were a pc user... sigh.. :/


Actually, after switching to Apple and OSX, No I don't. While PC hardware may be cheaper.... by the time you upgrade to spend what apple has standard in theirs, the more you spend. ie most laptops below $1000 are still running at 1.63 or 1.83 ghz core duo, Only the ones closer to $1000 have a larger hard-drive and more ram + a burner.

but seriously, the software on an Apple is cheaper and you can run most to all of the opensource out there.

I think apple does a good job. Besides Blu Ray is still considered new technology. Give it a year when the prices drop even more. also, I say keep the CD/DVD drive internal please...
 
My wish list is a new processor speed bump, along with a BR drive. And possible a HDMI output. 1200 resolution would be nice too.

I'm resisting pay less money now for a XPSM1530 that has the features I want - and the biggest being no OSX. I'll keep plugging away on my G4 for now :(


Actually, after switching to Apple and OSX, No I don't. While PC hardware may be cheaper.... by the time you upgrade to spend what apple has standard in theirs, the more you spend.

Not true - spec up a Dell laptop and it is considerably cheaper with more powerful components. Although the OS is worse :p. A similarly spec'd 15" MBP comes well over £2k, whist the Dell is around £1.3k. A saving of £700+ is not something to be sniffed at, despite the many fan-boy loyalties we have here, money is money...
 
jesus christ is apple fanboys pathetic..... saying that bluray, hdmi and all of that doesnt fit into a 1inch enclosure when sony can fit that and dual SSDs in their 13.1 inch macbook air counterpart. Wow....

WTF are you rambling on about?
 
whats really going to suck...is when its september 14th and still no new macbook pros...and we're forced to buy. Then 2 tuesdays later, new macbook pros, new ipod touches.
 
A laptop upgrade is really needed from Apple. I heard someone talk about their recent PC laptop purchase, and what you get on the PC side for a lot less than the current MacBooks is simply amazing. 4GB RAM, 320 GB hard drive, bluray-player and geforce 8600 graphics for $35 less than the 1GB/120GB/integrated graphics MacBook offer.

Granted the MacBook wins on physical size, OS and looks, but I would still be hesitant to buy a MacBook now.
 
I think the problem is there are a number of reasonable dates on which Apple could update. We can try to analyze Apple past actions to justify our speculations, but the truth is that no one really knows. In fact, I would think that it's entirely plausible that Apple has more than one date in mind; they could be monitoring market trends as well as how well their own product is selling in comparison to comparable models of different brands.

In the end Apple will do what is best for Apple. In any case these seem to be the most probable dates.

Late July - Mid August: Allows for iPhone hype to fade as well as time for Apple to gauge their own sales against upgraded competitors. If Apple suffers or sees a high demand for the new Montevina upgrade, then they will update to remain competitive. Plus, it is not unreasonable for Apple to release a newly redesigned and upgraded product during a promotion as they did with the new iMacs, though past action does not necessarily dictate what future action will be.

Mid September - It would be a logical move. Even though the student promotional sale is directed towards more "consumer" buyers (meaning those that will buy Macbooks/iMacs), there are students and faculty who are buying Macbook Pros. This will allow Apple to clear their current inventory and make room for the new model. As a business owner, there is no sense in keeping old products that will simply sit around after they become obsolete. I would say look to the online Apple store for Macbook Pros to be sold out, as the original iPhone was, before the update.

October - Early November - It would make sense for Apple to release their pro level notebook before the holiday season as well as Macworld. It is older than the Macbook and pro consumers pay more attention to the finer details of their machines as they need every ounce of processing power and available RAM they can get their hands on. Apple is more likely to leave Macbook upgrades until Macworld 09. This will enable them to release a consumer level product at a major Apple event as well as a pro product in the form of a Mac Pro.

:apple:On a personal note: DDR3 is going to be SICK!!!!:apple:
 
Actually, after switching to Apple and OSX, No I don't. While PC hardware may be cheaper.... by the time you upgrade to spend what apple has standard in theirs, the more you spend. ie most laptops below $1000 are still running at 1.63 or 1.83 ghz core duo, Only the ones closer to $1000 have a larger hard-drive and more ram + a burner.

Are you sure about that?

Dell just released the Studio range of laptops.

Here's what you can get for £699 from Apple and Dell.

Intel Core 2 Duo T8100 2.1 GHz
Vista Home Premium
15.4" Wide Screen WXGA (1280 x 800) TFT with TrueLife
4096MB
320GB
256MB ATI Mobility RADEON HD 3450
Blu-ray Disc (DVD+/-RW + BD-ROM)
HDMI Out
£699

And then we have the Combo Drive Macbook
2.1 Ghz Core 2
1GB RAM !!!!!!!!
120GB Hard Drive
ComBo Drive !!!!!!!
GMA 3100
£699
 
whats really going to suck...is when its september 14th and still no new macbook pros...and we're forced to buy. Then 2 tuesdays later, new macbook pros, new ipod touches.


While I doubt this will happen, the '2 tuesdays later' part made me chuckle.



record guy, I can see them doing it late August - early September. ;) All of the people who are putting off buying until last minute will snap up the last of the old stocks right before school starts, and then Apple will be able to introduce upgraded computers in time for the promo to still have not yet ended, causing more people who were putting off until the actual upgrade jump on it for the iPod deal. Unless they run out of stocks, which they may, because the terms does say "until supplies last."

But you are right, our logic has nothing on Apple with their market trend facts and knowing how good their laptops are selling. Also, how their supplies are doing and when they stop production on current models.
 
its times like this you wish you were a pc user... sigh.. :/

Absolutely NOT. I have only been on a Mac for 100 days, from a career with DOS/Windoze that began in 1986 with a Toshiba 1100 Plus notebook, and ended with a Sony Vaio VGN series Vistabeast. The Mac is the very first computer, EVER, that is still running as fast and effortlessly after 100 days. EVERY PC has acted like it was slogging though wet cement within 60 days, and on Vista within 2 weeks (and that includes two complete reformats on the Vistabeast).

I will never go back to a PC, and the sooner I can get those PC's out of the hands of my family members and office employees, the better. I know this may sound childish, but I AM NOT AN APPLE FANBOY - I just relish a machine that never needs to be shut off; never reboots (of course, only 100 days) and always recognizes its environment (in other words, knows its on ethernet in the office with a 22" screen and uses dual screens; close the lid, go home, and knows it is laptop mode only on a wireless connection). Have you EVER had a PC that could do that consistently? Of course not. I'm reminded of my wife's Vistabeast notebook, where every time you undock it, you have to reinstall HP printer drivers, or video, or both.
 
The only major differences between the high-end MB and the base MBP is the graphics card and the larger screen. By not offering a graphics card on the MB, they are pushing you to buy the much more expensive MBP.

Is that not in the least bit unfair? A graphics card is not worth $1000+!

And the MBP does have other features, like speakers, faster processors, backlit keyboards, ect. But they're not ones I value. I want a bottom-model MB with a dedicated graphics card and a superdrive, for a reasonable price. How hard is that!?
 
Have you EVER had a PC that could do that consistently? Of course not. I'm reminded of my wife's Vistabeast notebook, where every time you undock it, you have to reinstall HP printer drivers, or video, or both.

Hahah. I don't have Vista, but on my Windows laptop, when I'm using a wifi connection, it says "No network connection" (or something like that) even though it's got a symbol that shows its connected wirelessly. And then when I'm using an ethernet cable it says "No wireless network detected," even though it has a symbol that shows its connected to a network. Why would I have both at the same time? It makes me laugh. Can't wait to start using OS X. :rolleyes:
 
Apple will certainly have to wait until the iPhone frenzy cools down. The last thing their staff need is another billion people trying to cram into their stores. I think we are looking at a release date of 1-2 months.

And why would that be?
Imagine, you get in the store for a $399 purchase and get out with a $2399 bill. Which company wouldn't love that? :)
 
Blu Ray is not new technology, sorry fanboys, but it's pretty prolific in new laptops now, and not even particularly expensive one, and not even particularly thick ones.

I know, I know, you'd much rather be overcharged for a lack of cutting edge features and proclaim victory of peecees on the grounds of industrial design but if a Blu Ray player isn't at least BTO on the MacBook Pros, then Apple can add optical drive to GPU in the list of "low end components we'll provide at high end prices lolz".

This or bust:

MacBook Pro 15"
Montevina processor
2gb ddr2 ram
260gb hdd
ATI HD36** 512mb

MacBook Pro 17"
Montevina processor
4gb ddr2 ram
320gb hdd
ATI HD3850 512mb
blu ray reader, if not reader/writer, bto

And that's not even that much to ask for the price of MBPs.
 
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