Intel Atom Still Unsupported on Mac OS X 10.6.2 Seeds

[hayesk]

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' tried a Hackintosh and only AFTER it, bought his first mac - and since spent a total of about £3500 on Apple hardware.

Who is to say you wouldn't have bought Apple hardware anyway?

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' refused to buy a Mac for a very long time because of the hideous, vitriolic troll like behaviour of mac users like yourself.

Then you were being petty and superficial. Buy the tool that you need.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' wonders if you actually realise that by being such a hideously offensive character, you're damaging the reputation of Apple and its users and reducing the likelihood of people wanted to try a Mac.

So what? Every product has their share of fanboys. Why does that matter to you?

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' knows several people who refuse to try or buy a Mac specifically because of people like you.

Petty and superficial.

 

[hayesk]

By preventing it from being sold?

I know about a dozen people who switched from PCs to Macs after going the hackintosh route. Most of them bought MacBook Pros. I think hackintoshes are an insidious way of expanding Mac sales.

A dozen is incidental. When you can claim a hundred thousand, then you're talking.

No doubt about iPods/iPhones, but as I said, I know several former PC users who bought Macs because of hackintoshing. iPods and iPhones had nothing to do with their decisions.

Nope, iPods and iPhones have to do with hundreds of thousands of former PC users, not a dozen.

 

[BeyondtheTech]

I own 2 iMacs, 1 Mac mini, and 1 MacBook, not to mention a bunch of iPhones and AppleTVs. You could say that I'm an avid Apple customer, supporter, or fan, if you will.

As I commute between NJ and NY, I wanted something small, so I picked up a Mini 9 with Leopard a while back. To me, it wasn't the same experience - still had to hack some apps or the OS to get it to fit the 1024x600 screen. Bluetooth was finicky at best. The Atom processor just wasn't snappy enough for me. Other than that, it did work, but maybe I was more of a fan than a customer that I couldn't fully accept it in my family of Apple products. Luckily, I sold it for the same price I got it for.

I tried ATVFlash on one of my AppleTVs. Crashed repeatedly, with or without the plugins.

I jailbroke my iPhone 3G. Not as bad experience, really, but not truly worth doing for what I was looking to do, especially when having to play catch-up with new OS updates. For my daughters' iPhones, I kept the jailbroken state in order to really lock down the phone and install iBlacklist to prevent unwarranted calls, and SBSettings to prevent unauthorized data usage.

I guess there's a reason to do things, and a reason not to. If the need outweighs the consequences, it's your hardware and you have a right to do with it as you please, so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights or benefits of those who don't.

For the 'hackintosh' crowd, has anyone tried the latest build on other non-Atom PC hardware? Does it still work?

 

[EagerDragon]

'people like me' - being the 90% of the worlds population that don't buy Mac's? I do - but I didn't, and I'm fairly close to not doing so again. And I know people who refuse to for the reasons I cited ( and cite in detail below) Nahh - if they all bought Mac's - Apples bottom line wouldn't change one tiny bit would it. An order of magitude increase in revenue wouldn't change a thing, would it.




The reason I refused to buy a Mac for so long, and the reason given by colleagues I know who refuse to buy one still, is this...

Firstly - they don't want to be a part of the smug, arrogant, lying, troll like community that is the world of Apple users.

and secondly - given what that community says about Windows, and it users ( which, coming from the standpoint of a windows user is 99% pure lies, fiction and insults) then what is this Mac community hiding? If we know them to be lying about Windows so much, then how many lies are they telling about OSX?

I'm actually trying to get the company I work in to switch to Macs. 6 people in the production team. Four of us have Mac's at home, and would all like a 27" iMac at work. One is ambivalent but would be happy to try. One is adamant she doesn't want a Mac. #1 reason cited? Mac users are smug, arrogant ****s. Her words, not mine. 4 years ago, I'd have agreed with her. Without the option to try a Hackintosh - I would still be on her side, and sadly, even after being a Mac user for 3 years - the best I could muster in response is "I know exactly what you mean".

Regardless of Mac users being SMUG or not as your friends categorize us ...... Not using the Mac for that reason is silly, One does not have to be smug to use a Mac, one just have to appreciate a nicely crafted tool that works well and gets the job done.

They should try the system and decide on its merits not on not wanting to be part of the IN-Crowd.

Computers are tools, some are finely crafted some are just put together. Use the best tool for the job you need get done and pay what you think it is worth.

 

[hayesk]

A lot of these Hackintosh users are people they kept Apple alive when they were struggling. Have you been on Hackintosh forums? Most of the users are LONG TIME Apple supporters.

And now they are paying Apple less than the cost to develop MacOS X to use it on a PC. How is that supporting Apple?

 

[hayesk]

Again for the ignorant, underneath the Mac is the same damn hardware used on countless PC's that sell for less.

Really, Four-cell batteries are the same as eight-cell batteries? Low res 15" screens are the same has high res 15" screens? Lack of bluetooth is the same as having bluetooth?

Not to mention, do you think it costs the same to develop MacOS X as Windows, who has 10 times the customers? Who is going to pay for MacOS X development if you believe Macs should cost exactly the same as PCs?

 

[Amdahl]

Excellent!!! I hope Apple succeeds in getting rid of all of these useless Hackintosh users. They are not customers of Apple and they just make useless justifications as to why they think they should have the RIGHT to install OS X on non-Apple hardware. GO APPLE!! Get rid of the fake Mac users.

HLDan, no point in worshipping a corporation. They aren't going to stop Atom, and I doubt they even intend to. OS X Runs on old AMD processors that only have SSE2. Don't forget, the underlying foundation of OS X, Darwin, is open source.

 

[macffooky]

My kids' Mini 9s run very happily on 10.5.8 and will be no more broken by sticking with Leopard than our eMacs and my Wife's G5 iMac.

This would mean a small amount of lost sales as people will find it easier to download the inevitable ready-hacked versions that will circulate than just cough up the few quid that Snow Leopard costs. I doubt that most Mini 9/10v users will see the tablet thingy as an obvious replacement.

Still, I bet Dell would be a bit pissed off...check out the number of posts on the subforums of MyDellMini, the OS X one has by far the greatest.

 

[Cave Man]

Nope, iPods and iPhones have to do with hundreds of thousands of former PC users, not a dozen.

The point is, there are a substantial number of people who are switchers because of their hackintoshes, not because of iPhones or iPods. Most of them already had iPods and were perfectly fine with iTunes under Windows.

And now they are paying Apple less than the cost to develop MacOS X to use it on a PC. How is that supporting Apple?

The higher cost of Macs isn't because of the OS, it's because of the engineering and materials, particularly the enclosures.

 

[observer]

How?

Considering that a hackintosh requires hacking, and considering the number of things that break in an OS update that aren't supposed to break, it shouldn't be all that surprising that a hackintosh might not update successfully. On the other hand, it's interesting to ask how the atom could be singled out.

Aren't all atom processors still single-core? Could the OS be refusing to install on a single-core system?

 

[iBug2]

Go read their forums. A lot of them are Apple users, or at the very least buy legit copies of OSX to install. Not every Mac user blindly follows Apple's ideas of what the best hardware is.

Yeah they just don't understand that if everyone did so, there wouldn't be any Apple and no OS X since Apple makes their profits from hardware sales, not OS X sales.

 

[womble2k2]

I am sure Atom support will return when Apple has Atom based hardware.

I suspect though that support is mainly in releases upto 10.6.1 for development of the much rumoured but yet unseen Tablet. I do suspect however, that any Tablet will actually be based on iPhone OS 3.1 so it seems logical for it to disappear.

The Hackintosh community will, I am sure, find a way of adding back a way of getting OS 10.6.2 upwards to run on Atoms, even if unsupported.

 

[OllyW]

The majority of Hackintosh computers seem to be either Netbooks or mid range quad core mini-tower desktop systems, both which sit in the one of the big holes in Apple's product range.

Perhaps if Apple were to supply products which actually catered for the needs of these users they wouldn't have to go down this path?

 

[alent1234]

if apple wanted to stop all hackintoshing it could easily do so. I think this was at the request of Intel. Atom is a lower margin CPU product. now the hackintosh people will be forced to buy higher margin CPU's

 

[*LTD*]

The point is, there are a substantial number of people who are switchers because of their hackintoshes, not because of iPhones or iPods. Most of them already had iPods and were perfectly fine with iTunes under Windows.\

I don't know how "substantial" got in there, because in light of the halo effect of iPods and iPhones, hackintosh users (which most people have never even heard of) are a minority of a minority. They count for very little. I'm not sure where hackintosh users get the idea that they are an ever-growing universe of (unauthorized hackers) users that are mlutiplying daily. They're hobbyists that are doing what most people wouldn't even thnink of doing, and they have virtually no representation in the bulk of Apple's market.

They should count themselves lucky that they got OS X to run on unauthorized hardware in the first place, and should be thankful that Atom support is the only thing Apple is removing.

 

[Amdahl]

Bottom line is Apple is in the right to protect its profits by locking out people who also want to cheapen the Mac experience by putting our OS on rubbish Winblows machines.

You mean like Apple is doing?

I'm not an electronics engineer, so I have a question. I know it's all the "same" hardware, but Doesn' Apple design it's own boards in a specific way and engineer their software specifically to understand the exact hardware layout, and doesn't that whole integration have something to do with the "Mac experience"?

That was the idea with the PowerPC systems, and maybe it was true then. Maybe.

But today, no. OS X is just a different operating system that runs on the same PC hardware that you buy from Dell. Or Apple.

Apple knew they lost the hardware war, and decided to join the winning side. Quite pathetic to watch fanbois who dissed the PPC and idolize Intel turn around and insult 'Winblows' hardware that has the exact same parts inside.

 

[wildmac]

You surely mean WERE LONG TIME supporters of Apple? I'm not sure how anyone can claim to be a supporter of Apple if they are using hacked versions of OS X on unapproved winblows hardware.

Here's the problem. YOU say supporter. I say CUSTOMER. I buy their products, and something they don't offer is a mini-notebook. I happen to own that copy of the OS that got installed on my hackintosh. If they don't offer a solution that I want, I buy it from someone else. I don't kiss the ring of Steve Jobs when I see him.

Anyone who deludes themselves into an irrational attachment to their OS deserves whatever crap that vendor gives them. Like the new 24" displays that are useless for MacPros (unless you buy a new video card, and put the MacPro within 12" of your display.) Gotta remember to order my new Dell monitor today...

 

[The Flashing Fi]

While I agree that his post was rather mean spirited, you also overestimate the impact people like you have on Apple's bottom line.

That's assuming they care about their bottom line. I am personally not invested in the company, so I'm not too concerned.

 

[Eidorian]

Yeeeees, their bottom line seems to really be struggling, especially in this economic downturn...oh, wait...

I'm not sure what fascination people hold with Apple's profits and bottom line. Apparently it's a good thing for them too. The typical repsonse is so that Apple can "innovate" but I doubt that with billions in reserve.

There's also a major backlash nearly every time an Apple product suddenly shows up for sale outside of an Apple Store. There's a large devotion to the perception of products.

I think it's a real shame. I don't know if I'd want Apple to officially support non-Apple hardware, but I don't think they should limit the products. It could be a great introduction to OS X for people that might not be able to afford a Mac.

I don't care if they support it, I just don't want them to break it.

I want Apple to aspire to maintain its compatibility with Intel's x86/64 line. While I don't condone the actions of either Apple or the hackintosh community, I do think disabling Atom support for whatever reason is only going to generate negative press.

 

[HackBook]

I reckon it's only a matter of time before someone releases a patch. I mean, Hackintoshers released a patch to run on AMD systems, so it must be possible.

I make no secret of the fact that I am a Hackintosh user - heck, my first Hackintosh laptop spurred me on to buy a proper Mac. I've recently purchased a Mini 9 for ultra portability, as I don't really want to buy a Macbook Air. Plus the Dell was a fraction of the cost, so if anything happens, not so much of a big deal. If Apple came out with a netbook sized product tomorrow I'd buy it in an instant.

I personally wouldn't recommend a Hackintosh as a production machine (eg for work), but as a secondary machine or travel companion, it's pretty darn good.

Observer - I highly doubt it's a core related thing, considering Apple released their first Intel based Mac Mini with a Core Solo processor.

 

[rstansby]

What's the big deal. All of these people are happy to use a tiny screen and keyboard, who cares if they have to use an older version of the operating system.

 

[wildmac]

They should count themselves lucky that they got OS X to run on unauthorized hardware in the first place, and should be thankful that Atom support is the only thing Apple is removing.

Lol, or what? You are going to come knocking on their door? Threaten them with one-button mice?

Hackintoshers may be somewhat deluded with their "significance" to the Mac market, but your delusional Mac cool-aid drinking is far more disturbing.

Anytime the customers of a product become worshipers, it opens the door for the company to spew out crap for a product. The new 24" display is exhibit #1.

I find it amusing that Apple, a company that has prided itself on the graphics and photography market, now only make one product graphics professionals use. The MacPro. We all buy our mice, displays, etc from other companies, quite often PC companies.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Web surfing, email, word processing, photo viewer, music player and 3G for a few hundred bucks. Bag of affordable hardware hurt that Apple refuses to sell. $50 billion in the bank next year.

 

[macUser2007]

No. iPods and iPhones are the gateway drug. The fact that hackintosh users exist is incidental, and the fact that some of them go ahead and buy a legit Mac is also incidental.

Hm, you do realize, that Apple makes all the software to run these in Windows, right?

But I am curious, if the iPod/iPhone would have been so successful, if Microsoft kept coming out with patches to kill Windows support for the Apple products? Surely it would have helped Zune sales at least a little....

If Apple really went out of its way to disable Atom support, it means that they are likely trying to eliminate all competition for the upcoming tablet, and it also means that they are becoming a rather evil company.

(BTW, I personally like Apple hardware, and happily pay the slight premium associated with it, but still, others may have different needs.)

 

[Ironduke]

lol do people really believe the components inside a mac are superior to PC components.