Intel Atom Still Unsupported on Mac OS X 10.6.2 Seeds

[swarmster]

Can someone who positive to this story explain why?

I didn't vote positive (I have a MacBook mini of my own that I enjoy), but if I were to guess, one reason might be the reassuring news in all this: Apple doesn't plan on using the Atom in any of their computers. Remember when people thought they'd stick it in the Mac mini? That was scary.

Now if they'd just drop support for Intel video we could all rest easy.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this isn't going to stop anyone from continuing to run OS X on their netbooks. People run 10.6.1 on AMDs. The guy who "faked" 10.6.2 running on a netbook seemed to have it running somehow, even if it took swapping out the kernel. This is just a speedbump.

 

[powers74]

efi

right on.

 

[balamw]

(BTW, I personally like Apple hardware, and happily pay the slight premium associated with it, but still, others may have different needs.)

Perhaps if Apple were to supply products which actually catered for the needs of these users they wouldn't have to go down this path?

And that is the real problem. While I am currently all Mac at home, I can't say that the temptation of a netbook or desktop i5/i7 box is entirely lost on me. A 27" iMac is too big for me and the Mac Pro is not a good value now, and Apple just doesn't have any Mac smaller/cheaper than the 13" MacBook.

And if I were to get either of these boxes I would want to know that I could run OS X on them.

Sigh.

B

 

[baleensavage]

Web surfing, email, word processing, photo viewer, music player and 3G for a few hundred bucks. Bag of affordable hardware hurt that Apple refuses to sell. $50 billion in the bank next year.

Exactly. I've been a Mac user since the Mac Plus. Last year I bought my first PC, an HP Mini that I bought solely to have a very small computer to browse the internet on and to write on. Apple can ignore the market all they want, but it's just money lost for them. If there had been an Apple netbook on the market, even for a couple hundred more, I probably would have bought that. I hate Windows with a passion, but putting up with Windows is better for me than paying 4 times the price to have a beast of a computer to lug around.

 

[scoobydoo99]

Now who has "NO CLUE"

Again for the ignorant, underneath the Mac is the same damn hardware used on countless PC's that sell for less.

wow. mac hardware is more than just a processor and RAM. so a UNIBODY enclosure, LED screen, GLASS MULTITOUCH trackpad, built-in iSIGHT, and MAGSAFE power connector are all part of the Mac hardware package, and contribute to the Mac experience. Yes, we know that PCs can be had for less - hell, PCs can still come with CELERON processors, for **** sakes.

So, NO, Macs are not the "SAME" as those countless PCs that "sell for less." In fact, you couldn't configure a PC in ANY FORM that would be satisfactory to me (from what's currently on the market.) Just one look at one of those hulking, awkward bricks, and their associated bloatware, and I move on. Part of the reason for Apple's success is their ability to elegantly integrate form and function with an innovative operating system and make everything work intuitively. To quote Mark Weiser from Xerox PARC (1952-1999)- "The purpose of a computer is to help you do something else." That's what Macs do. Many people have neither the desire nor the resources to experience Mac. Just like many people have neither the desire nor the resources to experience Porsche. For those that do, we feel like we're getting our money's worth. For those happy with something else, good for them.

 

[Antares]

The reason I refused to buy a Mac for so long, and the reason given by colleagues I know who refuse to buy one still, is this...

Firstly - they don't want to be a part of the smug, arrogant, lying, troll like community that is the world of Apple users.

and secondly - given what that community says about Windows, and it users ( which, coming from the standpoint of a windows user is 99% pure lies, fiction and insults) then what is this Mac community hiding? If we know them to be lying about Windows so much, then how many lies are they telling about OSX?

I'm actually trying to get the company I work in to switch to Macs. 6 people in the production team. Four of us have Mac's at home, and would all like a 27" iMac at work. One is ambivalent but would be happy to try. One is adamant she doesn't want a Mac. #1 reason cited? Mac users are smug, arrogant ****s. Her words, not mine. 4 years ago, I'd have agreed with her. Without the option to try a Hackintosh - I would still be on her side, and sadly, even after being a Mac user for 3 years - the best I could muster in response is "I know exactly what you mean".

But it's the exact same thing on the PC side. You could possibly tell your colleague that. There are many PC users who are "smug, arrogant ****s" just like there are some Mac users who are "smug, arrogant ****s." It's just that the Windows user base is so large, that there are many more reasonable people that you will encounter on a regular basis in addition to the "others."

Therefore, by using a PC, you are also a part of the smug, arrogant, lying, troll like community that is the world of PC users.

In high school and college, during the 90's, I had to deal with the ignorance and bashing on Macs by the aforementioned PC trolls. The PC side of bashing is far worse than what you'll experience on the Mac side...simply because you are outnumbered by PC's.

I have no problem with Hackintoshes and Hackbooks. But they are not the full and reliable "Mac experience." I would have no use for either of those. However, I also have no problem with other people tinkering and doing whatever they what to create such computers. I think it shouldn't be an issue as long as you don't try selling such things and you legitimately buy OSX. In the end it's just tinkering. People do that with all sorts of things, not just computers. In many cases, such "tinkering" is not authorized by the manufacturer.

That said, as I've written elsewhere, Apple is in their right to refuse an operating system (that they make) to work on hardware that they don't produce. The Mac OS is only meant to work on computers Apple makes. They don't make computers that use the Atom processer...so they are in their right not to support that processor.

 

[*LTD*]

lol do people really believe the components inside a mac are superior to PC components.

I dont know what it is, really. Gotta be something.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tisfaction-up-despite-struggling-industry.ars

http://digg.com/apple/Apple_leads_2009_customer_satisfaction_survey

http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/16/apple.no..1.on.csi/

http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/apple-customer-satisfaction-its-the-experience/

http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/04/behind-scenes-why-apples-customerbase

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/08/mac_customer_sa.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts-highest-score-ever-on-customer-satisfaction-index/2553

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22467/

http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/

http://www.macnn.com/news/25971

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-trumps-palm-pre-in-satisfaction-survey/

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/iPhone_Satisfaction_Off_The_Charts/

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-99-pure-satisfaction/

http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iphone-macs-ipod-sweep-2008-customer-satisfaction-rankings-in-japan

http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high

http://www.jdpower.com/Business/ratings/smartphone-ratings

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2248040/apple-keeps-top-billing

http://www.eweek.com/prestitial.php...ustomer-Satisfaction-Study-Finds-453807/&ref=

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars

http://www.osnews.com/story/15553

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts

https://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-224872.html

 

[wildmac]

And that is the real problem. While I am currently all Mac at home, I can't say that the temptation of a netbook or desktop i5/i7 box is entirely lost on me. A 27" iMac is too big for me and the Mac Pro is not a good value now, and Apple just doesn't have any Mac smaller/cheaper than the 13" MacBook.

And if I were to get either of these boxes I would want to know that I could run OS X on them.

Agreed. The MacPro is MUCH more expensive now. And the displays are a joke. A few years ago, the MacPro was price-competitive, but that "premium" has grown and grown.

And I have a new 24" LED monitor on my desk that I need to return because it's useless for my recent MacPro. Cable is to short, connector is wrong, and screen is too glossy.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

Hackintoshes are the gateway drug to the full Macintosh experience.

True story.
I had my first hac back in the Tiger days (ugh... bad memories) and since then i've built two desktop towers for no purpose other than running osx on it. I would have gladly bought a mac tower but apple offers nothing that interests me as far as desktops go. A while ago i was looking for a laptop and i would have never considered a macbook but after running osx on my desktops i really wanted an aluminum macbook (back when the ltd edition MB existed). Unfortunately some bills came up and i wasnt able to buy it, but im saving up again and will definitely get a macbook in the near future.

Thanks to the osx86 project i have bought the following from apple:
Leopard - $130
Snow Leopard - $30
iLife 08 - $80
iLife 09 - $80

So thanks to hackintoshing, Apple got $320 from me, and will be recieving more when i can afford a macbook. Thats $320 that apple would have never seen if it werent for osx86.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Really, Four-cell batteries are the same as eight-cell batteries? Low res 15" screens are the same has high res 15" screens? Lack of bluetooth is the same as having bluetooth?

I hate to tell you but a battery, blue tooth, and screen, don't make the computer. Its the processor, chip set, memory, video card, etc, and Windows and Mac machines have almost identical components.

As for blue tooth and Hi Res screens, check the market, Apple didn't invent them and aren't the only ones using them.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

I dont know what it is, really. Gotta be something.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10019711-37.html

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tisfaction-up-despite-struggling-industry.ars

http://digg.com/apple/Apple_leads_2009_customer_satisfaction_survey

http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/08/16/apple.no..1.on.csi/

http://theappleblog.com/2009/05/06/apple-customer-satisfaction-its-the-experience/

http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/04/behind-scenes-why-apples-customerbase

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/08/mac_customer_sa.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-posts-highest-score-ever-on-customer-satisfaction-index/2553

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22467/

http://bindapple.com/apple-satisfaction-2009-report/

http://www.macnn.com/news/25971

https://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-trumps-palm-pre-in-satisfaction-survey/

http://www.ipodobserver.com/ipo/article/iPhone_Satisfaction_Off_The_Charts/

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/08/14/iphone-3gs-99-pure-satisfaction/

http://www.mactivist.com/2009/06/iphone-macs-ipod-sweep-2008-customer-satisfaction-rankings-in-japan

http://www.9to5mac.com/jobs-satisfation-rate-high

http://www.jdpower.com/Business/ratings/smartphone-ratings

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2248040/apple-keeps-top-billing

http://www.eweek.com/prestitial.php...ustomer-Satisfaction-Study-Finds-453807/&ref=

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352796,00.asp

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/08/5002.ars

http://www.osnews.com/story/15553

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689554/posts

https://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-224872.html

Same ole links.

 

[Eidorian]

I dont know what it is, really. Gotta be something.

I could run off every Apple product recall and defect list as well.

Otherwise Apple orders components, boards, and assembly just like every other OEM on the market. Consumer satisfaction has nothing to do with the processor in your Mac being identical its siblings elsewhere.

 

[RazHyena]

Excellent!!! I hope Apple succeeds in getting rid of all of these useless Hackintosh users. They are not customers of Apple and they just make useless justifications as to why they think they should have the RIGHT to install OS X on non-Apple hardware. GO APPLE!! Get rid of the fake Mac users.

Most of them buy legitimate copies of OS X and run them on hardware selections beyond Apple's meager and outdated offerings.

You can put the pom-poms down now. It's just kind of sad at this point.

 

[OllyW]

Now if they'd just drop support for Intel video we could all rest easy.

That would leave a few million Mac owners up the creek without a paddle.

 

[wildmac]

I dont know what it is, really. Gotta be something.

You do realize that we understand that Apple designs a quality product (usually). They are built at the same asian factories as every other PC.

But then tell me why the cable on my new 24" monitor is only useful for use with a NEW Mac laptop? I couldn't even connect it to my MacPro sitting on the floor in my office, because they cable is too damn short, so I won't even bother trying to get a new video card which would be required, since Apple changed connectors AGAIN. (What do they do, change connectors every time they refresh the monitors?)

Time to buy another Dell monitor. They understand STANDARDS for connecting monitors, give you multiple options, and you can even change the cables. Imagine that.

 

[dgdosen]

I really want(ed) a fanless Mac netbook once the Pine Trail chips were released. I value a very small, high resolution laptop, and Apple just doesn't build one and doesn't seem to want to.

This is probably about Apple (Intel) not wanting Atom-based Hackintosh netbooks (with Atom processors) cannibalizing product sales of the MacBook Air (with ULV Cores). It could also be about Apple wanting to protect the small screen space to some future iPhone OS based-similar-sized tablet.

They are simply imposing their wishes to extract as much value out of the market as possible. Of course, what this means is that Apple will inadvertently provide a big boost to some other welcoming OS - Like Windows 7 (works great on a netbook) or maybe even Chrome OS. I'm sure Google would love to pick up Apple's discarded chaff.

 

[*LTD*]

Same ole links.

Same old truth.

I have to wait until Apple is reported #1 for 2010. Then I can post links for that year as well. Until then, you'll have to settle for the current reports as well as the ones going back to 2006.

 

[rstansby]

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' tried a Hackintosh and only AFTER it, bought his first mac - and since spent a total of about £3500 on Apple hardware.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' refused to buy a Mac for a very long time because of the hideous, vitriolic troll like behaviour of mac users like yourself.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' wonders if you actually realise that by being such a hideously offensive character, you're damaging the reputation of Apple and its users and reducing the likelihood of people wanted to try a Mac.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' knows several people who refuse to try or buy a Mac specifically because of people like you.

Do you really think anyone here cares if you or others refuse to buy a Mac?

 

[RazHyena]

Same old truth.

I have to wait until Apple is reported #1 for 2010. Then I can post links for that year as well. Until then, you'll have to settle for the current reports as well as the ones going back to 2006.

Opinion articles != truth.

 

[Eidorian]

Same old truth.

I have to wait until Apple is reported #1 for 2010. Then I can post links for that year as well. Until then, you'll have to settle for the current reports as well as the ones going back to 2006.

What does that have to do with an Intel processor being an Intel processor, or any other identical model component, regardless of the final assembled product and vendor though?

 

[WardC]

Apple has never officially supported the Atom processsor with ANY build on Mac OS X.

MacOS X 10.6 officially supports:

Intel Core Solo
Intel Core Duo
Intel Core2Duo
Intel Xeon

and they've dropped support for G4 and G5 PowerPC

None of these low-power, non-core intel processors are supported, since none of them are used in Apple machines. They should absolutely jail these people who are illegally installing OS X on PC non-supported hardware, afterall, it is a crime to do so.

 

[NC MacGuy]

Recent Hackintosher here.

Waited long enough for an affordable Apple portable. Choice was iPod Touch at $300 for 32GB or 10" Hackintosh w. 160GB HDD, 8hr REPLACEABLE battery, 3 USB ports, enet, w. full version of Office... Hmm. I'll roll with a Hackintosh. I find it almost as capable as my Gen. 1 MBA at 1/6th the cost.

Finally have a near disposable computer that I can take on vacation or let kids use that I don't have to worry about while leaving expensive computers locked up at home.

Maybe Apple will listen to what consumers want. Quite okay sticking at 10.6.1.

Apple has never officially supported the Atom processsor with ANY build on Mac OS X.
They should absolutely jail these people who are illegally installing OS X on PC non-supported hardware, afterall, it is a crime to do so.

Jail?
Give me a break. I bought a Family Pack SL, bought a computer and am not asking for one bit of support from either the computer manufacturer or Apple. Apple should take the hint and listen to what the hackintoshers are asking for. They also knew this was a possibility when they chose the Intel road.

 

[wildmac]

Same old truth.

I have to wait until Apple is reported #1 for 2010. Then I can post links for that year as well. Until then, you'll have to settle for the current reports as well as the ones going back to 2006.

Doesn't matter. The more Apple is concerned about computers for my mom (and you apparently), the less they seem to offer pro-quality offerings.

If Windows didn't suck so bad, I'd be switching.

 

[wildmac]

Apple has never officially supported the Atom processsor with ANY build on Mac OS X.

MacOS X 10.6 officially supports:

Intel Core Solo
Intel Core Duo
Intel Core2Duo
Intel Xeon

and they've dropped support for G4 and G5 PowerPC

None of these low-power, non-core intel processors are supported, since none of them are used in Apple machines. They should absolutely jail these people who are illegally installing OS X on PC non-supported hardware, afterall, it is a crime to do so.

LOL, fanboys with tar and feathers..

 

[HLdan]

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' tried a Hackintosh and only AFTER it, bought his first mac - and since spent a total of about £3500 on Apple hardware.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' refused to buy a Mac for a very long time because of the hideous, vitriolic troll like behaviour of mac users like yourself.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' wonders if you actually realise that by being such a hideously offensive character, you're damaging the reputation of Apple and its users and reducing the likelihood of people wanted to try a Mac.

THIS 'useless Hackintosh user' knows several people who refuse to try or buy a Mac specifically because of people like you.

You decided to hold off on a personal computer purchase due to people's actions on an online forum? Well, that's unfortunate for you.

Also, your case is very rare, this is the same thing as someone downloading free music, the chances of them deciding to buy it after all are almost non-existent.