Intel HD 530 Graphics Discussion

[NoWayBehind]

Guys please, it's really obvious this is either a defective MacBook or missing software optimization.

The HD 4000 in the 2012 Retina probably has half the "effective" gigaflops with 294 gigaflops.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/2

Thing is, gigaflops don't tell the whole story and the 3-4 years difference in CPU architecture don't show in these clinical comparisons. You could probably say effectively it has about 250 or less.

So if the HD 4000 can render the UI smoothly as you can check in various videos the HD 530 is more than capable.

Don't even mention some smartphones have comparable screen resolutions and can push the pixels smoothly with a quarter of the GPU performance in gigaflops.

Please video maker, bring your MacBook to the Apple store and check of something is wrong. It definitely seems that way because even if you ignorantly shove aside the technical background which contradicts the theory you would have at least have the frames.

 

[dark_mark]

Guys please, it's really obvious this is either a defective MacBook or missing software optimization.

The HD 4000 in the 2012 Retina probably has half the "effective" gigaflops with 294 gigaflops.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/2

Thing is, gigaflops don't tell the whole story and the 3-4 years difference in CPU architecture don't show in these clinical comparisons. You could probably say effectively it has about 250 or less.

So if the HD 4000 can render the UI smoothly as you can check in various videos the HD 530 is more than capable.

Don't even mention some smartphones have comparable screen resolutions and can push the pixels smoothly with a quarter of the GPU performance in gigaflops.

Please video maker, bring your MacBook to the Apple store and check of something is wrong. It definitely seems that way because even if you ignorantly shove aside the technical background which contradicts the theory you would have at least have the frames.

If Flops is not a good measurement then why did Apple use FLOPS to compare Radeon 460 Performance to Radeon 370X to claim that it's 130% better ?
Don't you think that the best marketing machine in the world would have chosen the best way to tout their new GPUs if Flops wasn't the best measurement?

If for instance editing a large image in photoshop was more than 150% better then I am sure they would have used that instead and would have claimed that it's 150% better instead of using Flops.

Simple logic

 

[aevan]

As you can see now that people are testing the machines with the 530 they do indeed have UI lag.

I haven't seen any of these reports. Can you direct me to any? You're not reffering to that one report where someone mentioned some lag, but then it turned out his issue got fixed after the restart?

All I saw was this:

Just got back from the apple store, zero lag on the 15 inch. The one i played around on was 2.6 ghz and 450 gpu.

This is consistent with other reports I read.

 

[dk808]

I haven't seen any of these reports. Can you direct me to any? You're not reffering to that one report where someone mentioned some lag, but then it turned out his issue got fixed after the restart?

All I saw was this:



This is consistent with other reports I read.

Im pretty sure if this was an issue it would be all over the news since people love to **** on apple

 

[KohPhiPhi]

I received my 2016 Macbook Pro 15" two days ago, and I've been playing with it extensively ever since.

Unfortunately, I do confirm that there is indeed a slight UI lag, both while navigating through the OSX and while scrolling through graph-heavy websites. Last year's model felt smoother

I see no point in benefiting from a dGPU 10% of the time while suffering from UI lag the rest of the 90% of the time. I would rather have that ratio inverted, so I'm considering returning the 15" in favor of the 13".

This is unacceptable for a $3,000 machine!

 

[BenTrovato]

Can confirm no lag on 15". For anyone experiencing lag, why not create a new profile (not from backup) and try again? Usually will fix slow animation issues but more tedious to isolate.

 

[torana355]

I haven't seen any of these reports. Can you direct me to any? You're not reffering to that one report where someone mentioned some lag, but then it turned out his issue got fixed after the restart?

All I saw was this:



This is consistent with other reports I read.

There is a Video of the lag in this very thread, hard to argue with video proof but it seems people still try lol. I also made my way out to the Apple store today and can confirm the UI lag on the 15" model. No way i could put up with that on a 3k machine. I think the 13" model is the way to go. I really don't want to hear others saying they don't see it, many could not see it on previous models either but i certainly could.

 

[dk808]

There is a Video of the lag in this very thread. I also made my way out to the Apple store today and can confirm the UI lag on the 15" model. No way i could put up with that on a 3k machine. I think the 13" model is the way to go.

I went to the apple store today and saw no lag

 

[torana355]

I went to the apple store today and saw no lag

Like i said some people don't notice it, you should be glad Unfortunately dropped frames stand out for me and on both 15" models on display there was slight UI lag. Also seems there is another person a few posts up thats can confirm it.

 

[dk808]

Like i said some people don't notice it, you should be glad Unfortunately dropped frames stand out for me and on both 15" models on display there was slight UI lag.

Bro i currently have a mid 2010 13 inch. I can clearly notice stuttering or lag, my laptop is a pos


Also, one of the people who were complaining about UI lag said that they even saw stuttering when they forced switching to the dgpu. Im guessing its a software issue

 

[torana355]

Bro i currently have a mid 2010 13 inch. I can clearly notice stuttering or lag, my laptop is a pos

Dont get all defensive, im not sure what the issue with your particular 13" model but its obviously quite bad if you can notice it but not on the new 15" models. The UI lag on the 15" machines is slight, some people wont even notice it. Its like that Soap opera effect on some TV's wheh using frame interpolation settings, its stands out like dogs balls for me but others don't even see it. Be happy you cant see it but don't tell me it does not exist.

 

[dk808]

Dont get all defensive, im not sure what the issue with your particular 13" model but its obviously quite bad if you can notice it but not on the new 15" models. The UI lag on the 15" machines is slight, some people wont even notice it. Its like that Soap opera effect on some TV's wheh using frame interpolation settings, its stands out like dogs balls for me but others don't even see it. Be happy you cant see it but don't tell me it does not exist.

Also, one of the people who were complaining about UI lag said that they even saw stuttering when they forced switching to the dgpu. Im guessing its a software issue

 

[torana355]

Also, one of the people who were complaining about UI lag said that they even saw stuttering when they forced switching to the dgpu. Im guessing its a software issue

Im not saying thats not the case, it very well may be. However i think it is to do with the GPU, my opinion of cause. The 13" model is BUTTERY smooth.

 

[dk808]

Im not saying thats not the case, it very well may be. However i think it is to do with the GPU, my opinion of cause. The 13" model is BUTTERY smooth.

Probably is because the 460 gpu is miles ahead of the 13 inch

 

[inhalexhale1]

Guys please, it's really obvious this is either a defective MacBook or missing software optimization.

The HD 4000 in the 2012 Retina probably has half the "effective" gigaflops with 294 gigaflops.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/2

Thing is, gigaflops don't tell the whole story and the 3-4 years difference in CPU architecture don't show in these clinical comparisons. You could probably say effectively it has about 250 or less.

So if the HD 4000 can render the UI smoothly as you can check in various videos the HD 530 is more than capable.

Don't even mention some smartphones have comparable screen resolutions and can push the pixels smoothly with a quarter of the GPU performance in gigaflops.

Please video maker, bring your MacBook to the Apple store and check of something is wrong. It definitely seems that way because even if you ignorantly shove aside the technical background which contradicts the theory you would have at least have the frames.

Even with the same resolution, you can't compare a smartphone running iOS to a computers runnning MacOS.

 

[dan9700]

Also, one of the people who were complaining about UI lag said that they even saw stuttering when they forced switching to the dgpu. Im guessing its a software issue

Yeah when i set automatic graphics switching to off so only 460 is working the lag is there which means its not the hardware its software needs to be re made

 

[fs454]

Not the same person, not the same testing conditions. Invalid comparison.

Heck I could run the same test on 2016 MBP with heat in my room and it will be more than 99 degrees.

TDP=Thermal Design Power.

A 50w TDP chip is going to run quite a bit hotter than a 35w one, full stop. From an avid user of the 2016 15", this whole topic is a non issue.

 

[dark_mark]

TDP=Thermal Design Power.

A 50w TDP chip is going to run quite a bit hotter than a 35w one, full stop. From an avid user of the 2016 15", this whole topic is a non issue.

You don't understand anything.
Thermal design power doesnt equal to laptop casing temperature, which is what you feel when you touch the laptop.

Heck a laptop could have a 100W TDP with excellent cooling syatem and still be cooler than 15W TDP with below average cooling system.

 

[dk808]

You don't understand anything.
Thermal design power doesnt equal to laptop casing temperature, which is what you feel when you touch the laptop.

Heck a laptop could have a 100W TDP with excellent cooling syatem and still be cooler than 15W TDP with below average cooling system.

That's pretty obvious. But in this case we are comparing two laptops with similar cooling systems (maybe 2016 is better). The one with the higher tdp will probably run hotter

 

[dark_mark]

That's pretty obvious. But in this case we are comparing two laptops with similar cooling systems (maybe 2016 is better). The one with the higher tdp will probably run hotter

You cant assume that 2016 is cooler without controlled testing. It's possible Apple had to utilize inferior cooling system to make it thinner. They did this with battery already

Where did you get that they have similar cooling systems? Facts?

 

[dk808]

You cant assume that 2016 is cooler without controlled testing. It's possible Apple had to utilize inferior cooling system to make it thinner. They did this with battery already

Where did you get that they have similar cooling systems? Facts?

Well it's from the same company and is the same brand of laptop. Most likely they are similar. Also pretty much everyone says that the 2016 models run very cool this year while there have been a lot of complaints of the 2015 running hot and loud. You don't need to have a controlled test to understand that

 

[dark_mark]

Well it's from the same company and is the same brand of laptop. Most likely they are similar. Also pretty much everyone says that the 2016 models run very cool this year while there have been a lot of complaints of the 2015 running hot and loud. You don't need to have a controlled test to understand that

So you are saying i should accept anecdotal evidence as a fact?

Cool story bro!

 

[dk808]

So you are saying i should accept anecdotal evidence as a fact?

Cool story bro!

No man I'm not forcing you to do anything

 

[deadworlds]

I'll just leave this here.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2016-15-mbp-ui-lag.2016332/page-3

 

[fs454]

You don't understand anything.
Thermal design power doesnt equal to laptop casing temperature, which is what you feel when you touch the laptop.

Heck a laptop could have a 100W TDP with excellent cooling syatem and still be cooler than 15W TDP with below average cooling system.

I mean, the answer here is if you think the laptop gets too hot, either learn to deal with it or buy a different laptop. The pre-2016 models do not get too hot, and the 2016 models don't either.

"I don't understand anything" huh? Get out of here, dude. This entire topic is making mountains out of mole hills and you know it. If you're unsatisfied with your 2016's performance, take it up with Apple and if they don't have an answer for you, they'll gladly take it back and you can use a 2015 model. It doesn't matter if you think the dGPU in the 2016 turns on more frequently or not. The notebook is what the notebook is, and it's performing great for most, including me. I can finally take games of Battlefield 1 and Overwatch caliber on-the-go without having to re-tool my backpack to fit my hackintosh build(or switch to a plastic fantastic Windows laptop and lose OS X). I can finally have acceptable 4K FCPX/Premiere performance. If you don't want to own an HD530+Pro 450/55/60 equipped notebook, then don't.

"99% of tasks" is not a statistic you have backup for, either.