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Intel Looks to Broaden Thunderbolt 3 Adoption by Integrating Into Future CPUs, Eliminating Royalties
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I'll follow your lead on this... I need a new Mac too
You said AMD sold engineering samples to Apple. You still have not provided any source for this claim. This is misinformation.
You said someone found links to Raven code in macOS Sierra on tonymac forum. You still have not provided that source of the original forum where this was stated. That is misinformation.
This is funny because this source is proven as false. Apple will not use Raven APUs which are coming within the next 2-3 months because it is already rumoured that Kaby Lakes are slated for the new MacBooks. You even believe this
You're all over the place bro
I think they should have had a transition period with both ports before switching over, but it is obvious that USB3/TB3 will eventually be the only port anyone needs.
Technology shouldn't be held back just because some users refuse to move on.
If they are just an average Joe/Jane, why would they need the latest computer anyway? It would be a waste of money.
Let them get the cheap stuff at Best Buy and they will be happy. Sooner or later they may catch up.
Others will still complain about not being able to buy a new computer with a Serial and Parallel port...
Also, schools should stay current, not teach their students how to use technology that's in the process of becoming obsolete.
I cannot find the post on SemiAccurate forum from Fottemberg, about it. But I am pretty sure it was true.
I have not linked to TonyMac Forum, but to Anandtech, and you were talking about the person(Gigamaxx). The story is simple. Fl0rian, or someone else who is on TonyMac forum reposted information Gigamaxx found in Sierra, here in this forum, and then it was reposted on Anandtech forum, to which I have linked. Gigamaxx from TonyMac and from Anandtech is the same person, so I have provided link, to the person and he have said: https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...s-sierra-drivers.2493828/page-2#post-38618183 [/quote]
Where do you read in those posts that Apple will use Raven Ridge in 2-3 months? O_O Bro, stop reading something that isn't there. All what is being discussed is that there is a possiblity that Apple will use Raven Ridge, and they already have been experimenting with them(why then Raven Ridge traces in Mac OS?).
Closest time when Apple can use Raven Ridge APUs is: when Intel will release Thunderbolt protocol open, for industry.
This is my last post on this matter to you. You have misunderstood something, and this discussion grown way bigger than necessary.
The problem is that the MacBooks have very limited space for ports. That's why there are dongles for everything. Yeah, it's more money to spend, but it's either a bigger MacBook with old ports or a thinner MacBook with the fastest ports.
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True, but Apple won't reduce the price commensurate with any savings, and will charge extra for the efficiency!
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My expectation of say a Thunderbolt 3 hard disk would be that it would use USB 3.1 still if Thunderbolt wasn't available. Maybe that means maybe the SSD is capped at 400 MB/s on some machines vs at 2+ GB/s on another. But there is no requirement it should just break.
There still needs to be some consolidation because it's just all over the place from a consumer point of view:
- TB using the USB Type C connector
- USB 3.0 using the Type A port, and USB 3.1 using the Type C port
- USB 3.1 being either 'Gen 1' or Gen 2' but with the same Type C port and coloration.
- USB Type C having 'alt modes' for DP and HDMI.
Intel, USB-IF, VESA, and the HDMI Consortium need to all sit down and work something out.
If it were up to me, Intel should hand over TB to the USB-IF. USB-IF should then deprecate the 'TB' brand and release USB 4.0 using TB speeds and Type C. Also enough of this 3.0 / 3.1, 'Gen 1' / 'Gen 2' stuff. Just leads to confusion.
- TB using the USB Type C connector
- USB 3.0 using the Type A port, and USB 3.1 using the Type C port
- USB 3.1 being either 'Gen 1' or Gen 2' but with the same Type C port and coloration.
- USB Type C having 'alt modes' for DP and HDMI.
Intel, USB-IF, VESA, and the HDMI Consortium need to all sit down and work something out.
If it were up to me, Intel should hand over TB to the USB-IF. USB-IF should then deprecate the 'TB' brand and release USB 4.0 using TB speeds and Type C. Also enough of this 3.0 / 3.1, 'Gen 1' / 'Gen 2' stuff. Just leads to confusion.
You bring up VGA -- I saw that in the original article and it seemed a bit strange to me.
My understanding is that it does not carry VGA, but provides the resources needed to convert from Displayport to VGA. Is that a correct understanding?
Too little too late really. They should have done this five years ago. USB will be the winner in the standard war, again, because of Intel's need to nickel and dime everything.
This is what you posted before. Gigamaxx on this forum is a random person with 5 posts from December 2016, 3 of which are troll, false posts (like you said). Why should I believe such a person as an authority on anything? I asked for the original tonymac forum link, you still have not provided that.
So I suppose you admit defeat here as well
No proof of this provided as I previously asked.
Seems like when you're called out for spreading BS, you run. Don't spread misinformation next time. Apple will not use AMD processors for the foreseeable (2-3 years) future
Do you understand the difference between "Apple will use AMD CPUs for sure", and "Apple possibly can use AMD CPUs in upcoming Macs"?
Seems like when you're called out for spreading BS, you run. Don't spread misinformation next time. Apple will not use AMD processors for the foreseeable (2-3 years) future
It is only you who made "Apple will use AMD CPUs for sure" out of "Apple possibly can use AMD CPUs in future Mac computers".
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Thunderbolt was developed by Intel, but Apple had exclusive license to use Thunderbolt for 1 or 2 years and as usual since apple has insane margins they were able to use this in Apple Products.
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I use Thunderbolt with Apple display, connect HDD, Ethernet, everything to Apple Display, MacBook pro needs just 2 cables, power & One Thunderbolt. It is awesome.
Give it time Apple will come up with something that will cripple stifle Intel from following through
most expensive laptops now have both ports
Care to name a few Windows laptops with Thunderbolt port over USB C ? or just regular Thunderbolt ports ? Surface doesn't have it, Dell XPS doesn't have it, few windows laptops have thunderbolt ports.
People have already transitioned to wireless only both in my university and at my job. The only exception are the VGA projectors, but we needed a dongle for that on the old computer.
That's exactly how I feel about the HDMI port on the older Mac. Never used it and you can use one of the 2 Thunderbolt ports for it as well. I actually like that they went with Thunderbolt 3 because now I get to choose what the port is going to be used for instead of Apple dictating it. Every port can be used as USB port instead of being limited to only 2 of them. In a world full of USB devices you'd want as many USB ports on the notebook as possible. As for Thunderbolt, I'm using it for my dock (which is essential if you are also wanting to use the notebook as a desktop) as they are far more stable than the USB ones. They can also use all the features of the dock which the USB docks can't (4k @ 60Hz means your USB3.0 ports turn into USB2.0 ones).
They did sit down and worked it out. The solution is called USB-C. It is a cable and connector devised in such a way that the end user no longer needs to understand the protocol being used. There is only 1 small problem: the computer itself. It needs to have Thunderbolt 3 to be able to do this. Currently it is not very attractive to do that because you need a separate chip (additional heat, power consumption and takes up physical space) and you have to pay a licensing fee to Intel. By putting TB3 in the CPU itself and not charging a fee for it any longer Intel has solved those two issues and thus made Thunderbolt 3 very attractive to use in a machine. By doing so the computer manufacturer can now make a device where the end user really doesn't have to think what protocol is being used, just plug in the cable and go. However, there will always be a limitation to that because forward compatibility is a really complex thing.
That would the worst idea ever when it comes to Thunderbolt. You are throwing away almost every feature of Thunderbolt by going that route. Thunderbolt isn't just a 40Gbps USB interface, it's a do-it-all high bandwidth protocol.
The same confusion as VGA, HDMI, Ethernet, DisplayPort, etc. not to mention the various versions such as DisplayPort 1.1, DisplayPort 1.1a, DisplayPort 1.2 or HDMI 1.4, 1.4a, 1.4b, 2.0. The small difference in the number means you can run 4k at 60Hz or not at all. No standard in the world is ever going to change that issue. If you were to use USB4.0 and come up with a newer version that includes new features, a higher bandwidth, etc. you have the same issue because you now have to look up the difference between 4.0 and 4.1 in order to understand why things aren't working the way you expected it to work. As stated earlier, forward compatibility is really complex and in some cases impossible (we simply are unable to tell the future).
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At my university, we can present using wifi. We use an app called Via and each room has its own IP and access code displayed on the projection screen.
Lot of people who complain about limited ports on new MBP don't understand this. This is the reason why they complain about USB-C in MBP, i would have preferred just one USB-A port on new MBPs.
People said the same thing in 2011. Things are not moving as fast as the PS2 -> usb transition. If intel feels they have a stable spec now, they may push harder for adoption. It doesn't mean everything else will evaporate within a couple years, as the typical purchasing cycle doesn't really support that.