Intel to Launch New Mobile CPUs (Arrandale) in January?

[Eidorian]

right, so it would run warmer, require additional space inside the iMac, cost more, and use more power. So will we be seeing the bloomfield in the mac pro's?

We already seem Bloomfield in the single socket Mac Pros.

Gainestown would be the same component only with the second QPI link enabled and the added cost to have it toggled on as well for DP workstation/server solutions.

Intel signed an agreement with nVidia 5 years ago to allow nVidia to produce chipsets compatible with their processors. The new nehalem architecture has a different memory controller (or something of that sort) and Intel says the contract is no longer valid, meaning nVidia cannot produce chipsets for the new processors. Nvidia argues the opposite, that the contract is still valid.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/18/nvidia.intel.license.fight/

The license was only for products that used the front side bus.

I've seen several examples of how nVidia would handle the DMI/QPI interface in addition to handling the IGP but it's of no consequence since they're not going to make product for Nehalem/Westmere.

 

[jav6454]

right, so it would run warmer, require additional space inside the iMac, cost more, and use more power. So will we be seeing the bloomfield in the mac pro's?

Bloomfield's brother for Servers is Gainstown. It's already in the Mac Pro line.

 

[Terminal.app]

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tl;dr

On a serious note, I definitely would like to see a quad MacBook Pro, and have Apple prove everyone wrong who says that you can't have a quad MBP that doesn't weigh 50 tons. It won't. It had better have exhaust vents on the sides.

 

[MadMacxxx]

Bloomfield's brother for Servers is Gainstown. It's already in the Mac Pro line.

oh yea that's right, the nehalem architecture. so Xeon, Nehalem, and the Core-i line are all pretty much the same thing?

 

[jav6454]

oh yea that's right, the nehalem architecture, so Xeon, Nehalem, and the Core-i line are all pretty much the same thing?

Nop.

Xeon is the branding name for all server grade CPUs
Core i-x is the branding for consumer and enthusiasts CPUs.
Nehalem is the chip architecture on which Xeon-Gainstown and Core i-x CPUs are based.

 

[Markov]

tl;dr

On a serious note, I definitely would like to see a quad MacBook Pro, and have Apple prove everyone wrong who says that you can't have a quad MBP that doesn't weigh 50 tons. It won't. It had better have exhaust vents on the sides.

Dell has been using the core i5/ i7 in their notebooks, and they do not weigh 50 tons or produce dangerous levels of heat. It has been proven by other manufactures that quad cores can exist in a mobile platform. Apple just doesn't see the need to put them in yet.

 

[MadMacxxx]

Nop.

Xeon is the branding name for all server grade CPUs
Core i-x is the branding for consumer and enthusiasts CPUs.
Nehalem is the chip architecture on which Xeon-Gainstown and Core i-x CPUs are based.

ok, thanks I understand now

 

[Theclamshell]

if apple laptops and low end imacs have intel integrated i will never buy another new or used mac again i cant imagine apple doing this but you never know............

 

[jav6454]

if apple laptops and low end imacs have intel integrated i will never buy another new or used mac again i cant imagine apple doing this but you never know............

iMacs will have a video card, Intel integrated are just too much set back at this point.

 

[Markov]

if apple laptops and low end imacs have intel integrated i will never buy another new or used mac again i cant imagine apple doing this but you never know............

Intel will eventually come out with a better integrated graphics chipset, but it's not their focus. Apple will never completely ditch discrete graphics card. What exactly do you do on your mac that requires such graphics horsepower? Integrated may suit you anyhow.

 

[Erasmus]

So, if the i5-430M is 2.26GHz, the i3-350M is 2.26GHz, and the i3-330M is 2.13GHz, what's the i5-520M???

EDIT: Apparently it's 2.4GHz.

 

[str1f3]

iMacs will have a video card, Intel integrated are just too much set back at this point.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the 13" MBP in the next update and if they move to Arrandale. If they do they will have to go the dedicated card route. Hopefully they would use the 9600.

As it is I get the feeling the 13" will just get a spec bump and they will use the Ion 2.

 

[jav6454]

It will be interesting to see what happens to the 13" MBP in the next update and if they move to Arrandale. If they do they will have to go the dedicated card route. Hopefully they would use the 9600.

As it is I get the feeling the 13" will just get a spec bump and they will use the Ion 2.

Ion? Please no.... I hope they just keep it at 9400M for a while and bump the CPU up in speed.

 

[Chundles]

As it is I get the feeling the 13" will just get a spec bump and they will use the Ion 2.

I hope they don't use Ion 2 but rather the updated 9400M. Ion is a platform combining the 9400M with an ATOM processor. Atom? No thanks.

Core 2 Duo is bloody quick in a 13" laptop, if a Core i3 etc. can offer more space on a logic board that Apple could use for a dedicated card then great but if going to a quicker proc at the expense of graphics performance then no thank you very much.

 

[jav6454]

I hope they don't use Ion 2 but rather the updated 9400M. Ion is a platform combining the 9400M with an ATOM processor. Atom? No thanks.

Core 2 Duo is bloody quick in a 13" laptop, if a Core i3 etc. can offer more space on a logic board that Apple could use for a dedicated card then great but if going to a quicker proc at the expense of graphics performance then no thank you very much.

If Intel releases something like the P55 design (or LGA 1156), then it would be feasible and very plausible for Apple to add the 9600M GT.

The 1156 design does away with the Northbridge in motherboard layout and moves it on the CPU die. So, that extra space could be used for a graphics chip like the 9600M GT.

 

[MorphingDragon]

No No No, this is bad. The theory is good but the implementation is bad. Now the companies have even more excuse to stay with some crappy GMA variant. Why can't Intel just suck it up and use an HD3200?

 

[Chundles]

If Intel releases something like the P55 design (or LGA 1156), then it would be feasible and very plausible for Apple to add the 9600M GT.

The 1156 design does away with the Northbridge in motherboard layout and moves it on the CPU die. So, that extra space could be used for a graphics chip like the 9600M GT.

That'd be pretty sweet.

 

[KnightWRX]

tl;dr

On a serious note, I definitely would like to see a quad MacBook Pro, and have Apple prove everyone wrong who says that you can't have a quad MBP that doesn't weigh 50 tons. It won't. It had better have exhaust vents on the sides.

Prove them wrong how ? It doesn't mean that they were wrong when they said it. 10 years ago, if I had told you that you can't get a laptop with a 1 ghz processors that won't overheat or weight 50 tons, would I have been wrong ? No. The mobile versions of the 1 ghz coppermine and tualin processors came later.

 

[str1f3]

If Intel releases something like the P55 design (or LGA 1156), then it would be feasible and very plausible for Apple to add the 9600M GT.

The 1156 design does away with the Northbridge in motherboard layout and moves it on the CPU die. So, that extra space could be used for a graphics chip like the 9600M GT.

What is the price differential between the 9400 and 9600? I wonder if Apple is willing to eat the cost for the 13" MBP considering, I believe, they lowered the price by $100.

Either way they can't afford to use just Larrabee and call it a Pro model. I would figure that the regular Macbook would just go integrated when they update it next year.

 

[jav6454]

What is the price differential between the 9400 and 9600? I wonder if Apple is willing to eat the cost for the 13" MBP considering, I believe, they lowered the price by $100.

Either way they can't afford to use just Larrabee and call it a Pro model. I would figure that the regular Macbook would just go integrated when they update it next year.

By the time this happens the 9600M GT might be cheaper and a new graphics chip from either ATI or nVidia might be out more powerful to use in higher end models. Maybe a $100 rise in price, but I don't think so.

So this is a plausible scenario...

 

[Eidorian]

If Intel releases something like the P55 design (or LGA 1156), then it would be feasible and very plausible for Apple to add the 9600M GT.

The 1156 design does away with the Northbridge in motherboard layout and moves it on the CPU die. So, that extra space could be used for a graphics chip like the 9600M GT.

PM55 is just a power optimized bin of the desktop P55 PCH.

The only additional work that Arrandale needs over Clarksfield is the Flexible Display Interface for the onboard IGP. H57 takes care of that on the desktop side.

 

[jav6454]

PM55 is just a power optimized bin of the desktop P55 PCH.

The only additional work that Arrandale needs over Clarksfield is the Flexible Display Interface for the onboard IGP. H57 takes care of that on the desktop side.

Ok, I need time to decode this one... basically, everything is set thanks to the H57 chip?

 

[Eidorian]

Ok, I need time to decode this one... basically, everything is set thanks to the H57 chip?

You're going to see quite a few HM/QS 55 or 57 variations once Arrandale line roles out.

PM55 is for Clarksfiled since it lacks an onboard IGP solution. This tends to reflect Intel's past nomenclature for Premium or Graphic enabled chipsets.

H is a newcomer though.

 

[jav6454]

You're going to see quite a few HM/QM/QS 55 or 57 variations once Arrandale line roles out.

PM55 is for Clarksfiled since it lacks an onboard IGP solution.

Ok, again I'm confused at the many names... well, in any case, I'm off to sleep. Eidorian made my mind way to tired by trying to decode all those names....

 

[Eidorian]

Ok, again I'm confused at the many names... well, in any case, I'm off to sleep. Eidorian made my mind way to tired by trying to decode all those names....

X = Extreme/Enthusiast
P = Premium/Mainstream no IGP
G = IGP/Mainsteam
H = Support for Arrandale/Clarkdale IGP via FDI and switchable graphics
Q = Business/VPro/IGP

Then you just add the M for mobile bins. I've never seen a mobile X chipset though. P55 is being called the new BX chipset though if anyone else can remember that far back.