Intel to Launch New Mobile CPUs (Arrandale) in January?

[Bafflefish]

He basically said, Lynnfield is less power hungry in the motherboard, produces less heat and its processor has an all-in-one design for RAM and graphics (meaning less wasted space by having less chips).

PCIe lanes =/= graphics. Lynnfield has an integrated PCIe controller. That functionality is thus not required in the northbridge, which reduces the Northbridge's complexity and power consumption.

However, a discrete GPU is still very much necessary with Lynnfield.

 

[flopticalcube]

MBA doesnt do anything a £300 netbook wont do, plus its lighter and 8 hour battery. the New ION netbooks are probably just as good as the MBA for video now too.

save yourself £1000 and buy a MBP with the change.

I agree on the price. That is why I have an Asus netbook (1.1Kg for $350). Most of the new ION netbooks I have seen have a crippled version of the ION chipset (LE) so I'm not sure if it will be as good as the MBA. There is also screen real-estate and OSX to consider, neither of which really affected me for the purposes I am using it.

 

[Goona]

That pricing can't be right. Everyone knows that Apple products are more expensive. HP can't be selling for nearly the same price, the planet with spin off it's axis!

A PC for 2000 dollars, no way. I thought all PC's were 500 bucks.

 

[gri]

I think the best thing to do is just to wait and see what happens. Ive had my current MBP for almost six years now and its still working fine. If the mbp lines got a huge upgrade like this though it would be very tempting, but I would hate to see ATI replace nVidia again though, I think nVIDIA was a smart choice that appealed to a lot of people. Ive been waiting to replace my current computer with an MBP with a nVidia card.

MBP are existing since 2006, how can you have it for 6 years...?

 

[pandamonia]

I agree on the price. That is why I have an Asus netbook (1.1Kg for $350). Most of the new ION netbooks I have seen have a crippled version of the ION chipset (LE) so I'm not sure if it will be as good as the MBA. There is also screen real-estate and OSX to consider, neither of which really affected me for the purposes I am using it.

the 11" screen plus ion will do nearly all a MBA can do. OSX is just OSX you dont exactly NEED it. Windows does more.

MBA is increasingly looking like a expensive indulgence.

 

[Goona]

the 11" screen plus ion will do nearly all a MBA can do. OSX is just OSX you dont exactly NEED it. Windows does more.

MBA is increasingly looking like a expensive indulgence.

Well some of us prefer OSX so what you are preaching to us is irrelevant.

 

[inlovewithi]

Well some of us prefer OSX so what you are preaching to us is irrelevant.

Yup. People who are used to OSX are going to feel lost on Windows since their brain is basically hardwired for OSX, just the same way a Windows users is going to feel lost on OSX. I've had a mac for over 2 years, and as a power user I'm so used to doing anything I want on Windows without thinking and going to OSX I feel crippled.

 

[puffnstuff]

I think the MBA will replace the MB. The Air has dropped $300 or more since it's release give it another price drop it will be about the same price as the MB.

 

[Yixian]

i agree. i honestly dont see why you would ever compromise performance just for thinness and a bit of weight.

these ultraportables are crippled from the off.

get yourself down the gym and build up them pathetic little arms and buy a real notebook.

Tell that to half of the MBP users on this forum, many of them hope the next Pros are even thinner and less "pro" than the current ones :/

 

[Bubba Satori]

Here's hoping Apple hold out just long enough for the HD 5000 series in the new MacBook Pros.

OH GOD LOOK AT THEM

Well, seeing as the new iMac's best video card is last years midrange GPU, you might have to wait awhile for those ATI mobile 5000s to show up in MPBs.

 

[Eric S.]

I think the MBA will replace the MB. The Air has dropped $300 or more since it's release give it another price drop it will be about the same price as the MB.

People have been saying the MBA will replace the MB for a year or more. I still don't see that happening. The MBA is underpowered compared to the MB (1.86GHz/120GB HD/5-hr. battery vs. 2.26GHz/250GB/7-hr. batt./optical drive/more ports) and the MBA's price is $500 higher. Unless the MBA gets a lot cheaper and gains a lot more spec-wise, I don't see it replacing the MB.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Tell that to half of the MBP users on this forum, many of them hope the next Pros are even thinner and less "pro" than the current ones :/

They've got to be hobbits or anorexic super models if they can't pick up and carry around a six pound device.

Boot camp for the wimps.

 

[forgetaboutpro]

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I think the best thing to do is just to wait and see what happens. Ive had my current MBP for almost six years now and its still working fine. If the mbp lines got a huge upgrade like this though it would be very tempting, but I would hate to see ATI replace nVidia again though, I think nVIDIA was a smart choice that appealed to a lot of people. Ive been waiting to replace my current computer with an MBP with a nVidia card.

It's a PowerBook if you've had it six years. I got the first gen mbp nearly 4 years ago and have been waiting for this update the past two. And they brought back matte just in time

 

[pandamonia]

Well some of us prefer OSX so what you are preaching to us is irrelevant.

prefer what you like but anyone who uses OSX as their only OS and doesnt have a single installed copy of windows on a computer is living in cloud cuckoo land.

You would have to be a very basic computer user to only use OSX.

OSX is a great notebook OS, but for anything else its just plain limited.

why do you think apple continues to get away with using average performing graphics cards in every computer they make.

you only gotta look at the **** they put into the Mac Pro, GT 120?? and up to 4 of them? for £2500... lol

 

[flopticalcube]

prefer what you like but anyone who uses OSX as their only OS and doesnt have a single installed copy of windows on a computer is living in cloud cuckoo land.

You would have to be a very basic computer user to only use OSX.

OSX is a great notebook OS, but for anything else its just plain limited.

Those poor Mac users who came before the switch to Intel, what did they do?

This thread is going WAY off topic.

 

[Dillenger]

After reading the majority of these posts and understanding very few of them, I'll just go now and enjoy my 13 inch MBP that gives me excellent battery life.

 

[rhysmorgan]

You missed the joke…

No, no... I got the joke.
i3 looks like 13. etc.
I just used it as a starting point for my predictions.

 

[wizard]

What are you talking about?

MacBook Pro, anyone? This is shocking news. I really didn't see this one coming at all. It's just so unpredictable and out of the blue. I really would like to check the source of this, this seems even beyond a rumor, this seems flatout made-up.
[/sarcasm]

Sorry that you tried to be funny here, but you had the opposite effect.
Dave

 

[AMmac]

You must have the limited edition time traveling MBP, considering they were first introduced in 2006!

I, on the other hand, am working on a Powerbook that is from 2005.

I'm also looking forward to a new laptop.

My mistake, I was thinking I got my mbp sophomore year in high school. I guess I am just subconsciously trying to find reasons to upgrade : )

 

[Erasmus]

Any reason why the macbooks and small macbook pros can't get discrete graphics too? Don't they already have them? Maybe HD 5300?
The big macbook pros get 5700 or so, everyone's happy.
Without Arrandale or the 5000 series GPUs, what can Apple upgrade too? Slightly bigger HDD's and more RAM?
I think Apple will wait until they can get both the 5000 series GPUs and Arrandale before releasing new MBPs.

 

[wizard]

It might not be as bad as you think.

How much do you want to bet that Apple still uses Core 2 Duo instead of the new Core i3, i5, i7. It would not shock me at all. And as far as the lack of nVidia chipsets, back to intel I 'spose. Does this also mean that nVidia is done making GPU's on any level, discrete and integrated? I have had far too many bad experiences with ATI, I'm not gonna be happy if ATI becomes the only GPU manufacturer.

Why do I say that. Well one rumor has it that the first Arrandales will NOT have the built in GPU. Second ATIs offerings are very good hardware wise right now. Especially for low power. Since Apple does much of the driver development from what I can see the drivers might not be that bad. Third all things business are subject to change, if enough people walk away from Nvidia they will change their cocky ways.

As to Intel and it's impact on the GPU market, if they can't deliver decent graphics performance their customers will raise hell. Intel might not like it but all Apple would need to do is to build a few Macs with AMD CPUs to have Intel see the errors in their ways. Of course all things Arrandale are secrete now but the rumors are strong that intel will have alternatives to the built in GPU variants.


Dave

 

[Stately]

I promised myself I wouldn't get a new MBP until an architecture change...here's to hoping...

Haha, right? Let's hope they do undergo an architectural change.

 

[Stately]

I think the MBA will replace the MB. The Air has dropped $300 or more since it's release give it another price drop it will be about the same price as the MB.

I still don't see the point in the MBA.

 

[Goona]

prefer what you like but anyone who uses OSX as their only OS and doesnt have a single installed copy of windows on a computer is living in cloud cuckoo land.

You would have to be a very basic computer user to only use OSX.

OSX is a great notebook OS, but for anything else its just plain limited.

why do you think apple continues to get away with using average performing graphics cards in every computer they make.

you only gotta look at the **** they put into the Mac Pro, GT 120?? and up to 4 of them? for £2500... lol

Yeah all those millions of Mac users who don't have Windows on their systems are living in cuckoo land.

 

[Eidorian]

I hope they don't use Ion 2 but rather the updated 9400M. Ion is a platform combining the 9400M with an ATOM processor. Atom? No thanks.

Core 2 Duo is bloody quick in a 13" laptop, if a Core i3 etc. can offer more space on a logic board that Apple could use for a dedicated card then great but if going to a quicker proc at the expense of graphics performance then no thank you very much.

Apple's hardware is already using ION. ION is just the name for any platform that uses the MCP79A/9400M G IGP.

ION2 is just the successor with 32 shaders over the previous 16 shaders. The limit is that the product needs to be on the front side bus. I don't see any ION products for AMD and nVidia doesn't have the license for Nehalem/Westmere.

VIA's Nano appears to be the only newcomer to the platform.

Here's hoping Apple hold out just long enough for the HD 5000 series in the new MacBook Pros.

OH GOD LOOK AT THEM

The most dramatic improvement is going to be the usage of GGDR5 across the board. Even video card with a meager 64-bit memory interface is going to shine if it has the shaders to back it up compared to GDDR3/DDR3.

Also, HP has implemented quad cores into a select line of their notebooks... but that's not the biggest surprise. It seems that they are shameless ripoffs of Macbook Pros... they even ripped off the pricing!!!
They ripped off:
1. keyboard
2. thinness
3. unibody
need i say more?

Here's the link for those of you who want to see:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...pid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/ENVY

The Envy 15 is one of the better premium notebooks if you're willing to pay for a quad core and a Mobility HD 4830 in such a small package.

I agree on the price. That is why I have an Asus netbook (1.1Kg for $350). Most of the new ION netbooks I have seen have a crippled version of the ION chipset (LE) so I'm not sure if it will be as good as the MBA. There is also screen real-estate and OSX to consider, neither of which really affected me for the purposes I am using it.

ION LE is identical to standard ION in its clock speeds. Supposedly it only supports DirectX 9 but driver hacks have shown that does support DirectX 10 but it's being pushed as a product for Windows XP netbooks.

Why do I say that. Well one rumor has it that the first Arrandales will NOT have the built in GPU.

Can you point me to that rumor? Arrandale comes with a 45 nm graphics processor just off die of the CPU itself.