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Nothing new here. Four generations of Ford guys say Chevy trucks are not tough enough. Did they ever try a Chevy, no. Not unique to Apple products.
 
Yes! Yes! Excelent! This is the conversation we should be having! Let’s not waste our time talking about processors, says Intel, let’s talk about all the components Intel has no involvement with and how 5 silly Apple ’fans’ were fooled by blonde wood into thinking this was an Apple focus group.
What about the processors? The world runs on Intel processors (Apple included). All high performance Macs also use Intel processors.
 
I will take an iPad and a MacBook any day than a 2-in-1 combo that is heavy, cumbersome and not able to justify its purpose. Neither an iPad and nor a MacBook. All over the place.

For a while, I had a Dell Venue 11 Pro tablet PC. On paper, it was beautiful: an 11-inch touchscreen tablet with a cover that could fold around to become a stand just like an iPad. An i5 processor that could run the latest version of Windows. The touchscreen worked with fingers or with a stylus. There was even a detachable keyboard which could turn it into a laptop, and the keyboard even had a second battery in it for more power!

In reality ... after about a year, I sold it. As a tablet, it felt thick and heavy and unwieldy to carry around. As a PC, the moment I tried to do anything with Windows 10 (stream a video, play Solitaire, or even manage files), the fan would kick in full-blast and the computer's performance would be throttled due to heat. It was a turtle compared with a Mac, and it was a boat anchor compared with an iPad. I tried hard to love it, but it checked the 'lowest common denominator' checkbox.
 
not true. some of my mac peeps bought pcs to play Sea of Thieves
I did this exactly. paid 1400 for a gaming laptop from costco just for SoT. Lol. its still a peasant system imo. hate windows, but I appreciate apple not being like windows, id sacrifice apple playing games and staying how it is, and just have a dedicated gaming pc.

no interest mixing the two
 
I actually like a lot of the PC hardware out there and some of the cool features that Apple doesn't have. It's just that the Apply ecosystem is so much better and intuitive. If only you could get iOS on other systems.
 
Intel does way more than "chips". Intel is the company that oversees and actively pushes many standards critical for PC ecosystem. The design of PCs and laptops to a great degree is influenced by Intel.
Apple has a big influence, too. Intel's "Ultrabook" standard was taking the work they did with Apple to create the MacBook Air and giving it to PC makers. Their current EVO standard is the successor to that.
USB-C/Thunderbolt-3 was created by a standards body that included Apple and Intel- and they pushed it the hardest. Intel gets royalties from the standard, and Apple pushed the rest of the industry towards it.
Apple was the first to adopt Intel's low-power chips in the 12-inch MacBook and pushed the industry towards fanless designs.

Being Apple's partner has benefited Intel tremendously. Apple has a lot of influence in the industry and they have collaborated with Intel in ways that push the PC industry in directions that benefit Intel a lot. Of course, Apple hates sharing- with M1 they don't have to let Intel take their hard work and share it with PC makers. Still, there is plenty of room for Intel and Apple to work together in the future.There's no need for Intel to try to cut Apple off with dumb ads like this.

This ad is stupid because there's no reason for Intel to even mention Apple, but it's better than that Justin Long "Go PC" crap. Of course, that's a very low bar.
 
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Agreed, one benefit that Apple could learn from this would be the ability to upgrade Ram, SSD, etc but with you 100%.
I presume a side benefit of having predefined RAM or storage is that it places developers to create apps with the minimum about of specs for their app to run well on. This leaves machines with higher specs to have additional benefits similar to how iPadOS and to some degree iOS works.

It’s a good thing for developers are their have a larger customer base while for customers they have a larger library of software that is guaranteed to work in an acceptable manner.

Having user replaceable RAM and SSD would be nice but developers will not focus on max spec for users to upgrade.

This is a big benefit to the customer and developers believe it or not.
 
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The people in that video are hilarious. I wonder what else they'd get excited about. What if your computer came with a free burrito? What if we replaced the keyboard with an iPod dial? What if there was a cupholder on the side? "Yes please!"

The funniest part about the commercial is that it aims to get people all excited about computers that run on Intel chips! Instead of those old-fashioned Macs which ... mostly also still run on Intel chips!
 
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you talk as if most devs make their own game engine from scratch. most games are made on cross platform engines that spit out metal for mac automatically. it's mostly a matter of perception. i developed with people that develop on mac and still chose to build windows only because everyone keeps saying no one plays games on mac yet my whole team was mac based.

yea if it was only true. You could ether make a game for activeX with the latest features, you could develop with the latest OpenGL features or Vulkan.

then we have apple who never had OpenGL up to date( often 5+ years behind) as the only option on mac untill 2015.

no Nvidia GPU release after 2014 supports metal.

Vulkan now have Mac support by third party hacking but not by apple themselves

we have a whopping 60 games barely over a span of 6 years. And now this will come to an end untill game engines become x86/ARM agnosticism. If it was as easy as pressing a button they would have done it already

As you said nobody plays games on Mac. Making it not worth their time and resources to patch and test this random “metal” build.

ether you own a i/Mac Pro and likely a pc as well considering the ridiculous money.

or you own an iMac with a subpar GPU not made to game on or a MacBook Pro that will melt your legs and make you go deaf.
Mac mini, MacBook, MacBook Air, iMac. And they have a GPU or a weak GPU with iGPU.

or they have a GPU dongle( who have that?) and if you can afford a thunderbolt GPU you would likely rather build a pc for that money.

this is an Apple problem they created. I think Linux have more game support and runnes better than Mac OS ever did
 
Very objectively... Not very good arguments. This is from somebody who worked at Microsoft for a long time. There are good's and bad's in both platforms, but when everything is put together, I rather have a 'close architecture environment' (read Apple) with the best integration, great hardware, elegant and a bit pricey against an 'open architecture' where the OS has to satisfy all possible configurations and although they have improved (read Surface) they are years behind Apple. From the CPU point of view, Apple Silicon made a leap that it will take some years from Intel to match.
 
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What about the processors? The world runs on Intel processors (Apple included). All high performance Macs also use Intel processors.
Exactly. What about the processors? Why is Intel avoiding discussion of the one part of those machines they have any involvement in? Because it‘s damage control. You can make the claim you have about Macs for another year, and the industry for probably another few years, but Intel fears that the inevitable has finally happened and x86 is in decline.
 
Put the OS to Sleep and closed the lid, threw it in my bag and ran out the door. I arrive home 45 minutes later and noticed that the bag was a bit warm. I opened it and the fans are going crazy! The heat is so intense to the touch that I let it slide out onto a table and then used pot holders to walk it outside as I expect it to ignite. Fast forward a month later and Dell has released a statement stating that this is normal and a "feature" called Modern Standby that comes with Windows 10 and besides you shouldn't travel with a laptop that has not been shutdown. WTF?!?!?! Since the 90's, sleep has always been enough to get the device into a state where you can travel with it.

Intel, Microsoft, and Dell walk into a bar... er... bag...

:p
 
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I did this exactly. paid 1400 for a gaming laptop from costco just for SoT. Lol. its still a peasant system imo. hate windows, but I appreciate apple not being like windows, id sacrifice apple playing games and staying how it is, and just have a dedicated gaming pc.

no interest mixing the two
I bought a 2013 Dell Optiplex 9020 from Woot. $400. added a a GTX 1650 for $175. plays everything.

But for mobile, 2019 Macbook Pro 16. tote one machine. boot camp. lose nothing. this is the way.
 
Apple made a quite good laserprinter at a time. Apple Laserwriter. Loved them - true Adobe Postscript, and actually quite affordable at the time compared to other laserprinters that had real PostScript. It was not a cheap printer by any means, by far not, but back then: one of the best things out there, even if you were not an Apple fan (I was not interested in Apple gear beyond the LaserWriter before they made OS X)

well what do you know, missed this one :)
in my defense the post i replied to seemed to be of more recent nature than those 'ol days, but touché :)
 
I presume a side benefit of having predefined RAM or storage is that it places developers to create apps with the minimum about of specs for their app to run well on. This leaves machines with higher specs to have additional benefits similar to how iPadOS and to some degree iOS works.

It’s a good thing for developers are their have a larger customer base while for customers they have a larger library of software that is guaranteed to work in an acceptable manner.

Having user replaceable RAM and SSD would be nice but developers will not focus on max spec for users to upgrade.

This is a big benefit to the customer and developers believe it or not.
I fail to understand how can it be a positive thing to have soldered RAM?
You can have 8 or 16GB locked in. so will developers producen 8GB optimized programs? Effectively you argue for making ether 16 or 8GB the standard.

why can’t we have solders 8/16GB ram and one slot to put in more ram if needed in 10 years?

why not have soldered SSD memory but also one M.2 a lot we could use to upgrade the storage with 500GB more or even 4TB sticks in 5 years?

why not have the ability to upgrade instead of scrap/sell to buy a new one?
 
Samsung users are the worst in my experience. I have met many strangers, friends and family that use mostly Samsung products and all of them go out of their way to trash Apple. They have a real chip on their shoulder and some of that is directly due to Samsung's anti-Apple marketing. The rest of it probably comes from some inferiority complex.
inferiority complex due to using samsung, or for other reasons?
 
Via my employer, I got a new Dell Intel i7 Laptop fully decked out! It's a kickass machine except that we must run Windows (Linux is not an option due to company policy).

One afternoon I was running late. Closed all of my apps (all emails sent all code committed). Put the OS to Sleep and closed the lid, threw it in my bag and ran out the door. I arrive home 45 minutes later and noticed that the bag was a bit warm. I opened it and the fans are going crazy! The heat is so intense to the touch that I let it slide out onto a table and then used pot holders to walk it outside as I expect it to ignite. After 10 minutes, the fans slow down and I open the laptop and there was nothing running, no runaway process, no bitcoin mining. Next day had IT check it out and nothing. Fast forward a month later and Dell has released a statement stating that this is normal and a "feature" called Modern Standby that comes with Windows 10 and besides you shouldn't travel with a laptop that has not been shutdown. WTF?!?!?! Since the 90's, sleep has always been enough to get the device into a state where you can travel with it.
Obviously, this sucks but if you think this is just a thing that happens on PC's, think again. Stuff like this happens on Macs as well. And it's worse because it's just hardware that is unreliable, not a software issue. After I shut down my Macbook Pro and put it in my backpack, it turns itself on, get's super hot and overheated and drains the full battery. It happens every single time. The only time this does not happen is when I do not shut down the laptop and just close the lid. Somehow sleep mode works fine.

3 other people at my office have the exact same problem. Apparently, it's another sensor that often breaks in the laptop. None of us is getting it fixed because we are tired of sending in the laptops for repair. That would be the third time already and it's a company laptop. 20 laptops purchased, more than half of them had to be sent in for repair for major or minor issues. Had problems with my Dell XPS 13 right from the start as well with a Panel self-refresh issue causing the screen to often freeze. And again a problem that seemed to be common with threads full of people sharing the same issue.

When it comes to hardware, they are all unreliable :)
 
Are they kidding, 'what are you missing?' 'touchscreen' 'touchscreen' 'touchscreen'. Not a second that I thought about that.
Guess I'm oldschool.
Honestly I would miss my touch screen Surface tablet... I don't use touch screen all the time, but when I do, I'm glad its there. Scrubbing through videos is so much easier if I'm watching one then using the touchpad and it's not like I am forced to use it, it's just an optional input device. What I do find weird though is that Apple literally mainstreamed touch screens and is the ONLY computer maker that doesn't have it in their own computer screens. Of course why would they when they have the Magical or what ever hyperbole Apple is now using touch bar...
 
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