Interesting threads displaying trending iPhone (semi) discontent

[404 tech junkie]

I already responded to this but it seems you didn't read it.

Again, you still didn't respond to what was said in response to that. You have chosen to ignore it. Everything I said differentiates it, it can do. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY USED IT. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you appear to be a fool. Only a fool debates something they have no knowledge about. Your whole position is based on saying it is doing the same things as search, and it can't do anything else. The problem with your position is.....IT ACTUALLY CAN. You just don't know it, because you haven't used it. I know because I have used it. In the future, talk about something you know, and stop spewing ignorance.

 

[batting1000]

Why?

Why would you expect spoken feedback for one scenario and not the other?

That's how phone calls are meant to be. With the app, I'm searching with my voice because maybe i'm in a situation where I can't type or I just don't want to type. In both situations, I should be able to look at the screen and if I can't, I shouldn't be searching at all.

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Again, you still didn't respond to what was said in response to that. You have chosen to ignore it. Everything I said differentiates it, it can do. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY USED IT. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you appear to be a fool. Only a fool debates something they have no knowledge about. Your whole position is based on saying it is doing the same things as search, and it can't do anything else. The problem with your position is.....IT ACTUALLY CAN. You just don't know it, because you haven't used it. I know because I have used it. In the future, talk about something you know, and stop spewing ignorance.

I've researched Google Now extensively and I know what it can't do. It can set alarms, make calendar events, search the web and provide an answer, navigate to places by foot, bike, etc, call people, text people, email people, play music, pause music, fast forward music, get flight info, get stock info, be location aware, learn your searches and location to show relevant info at relevant times, get sports info, get times in other places, calculate, check the weather...etc.

I know it doesn't JUST search the web but that's essentially where it gets all the above information from.

 

[matttye]

That's how phone calls are meant to be. With the app, I'm searching with my voice because maybe i'm in a situation where I can't type or I just don't want to type. In both situations, I should be able to look at the screen and if I can't, I shouldn't be searching at all.

That's how communication is meant to be full stop. The rule of thumb is usually to respond in the manner that a person contacted you in; return a phone call, reply to an email/text, have a face to face conversation with someone. What if you were speaking to somebody and they wrote all their answers on a bit of paper? That's the equivalent of what Siri does with a Google search.

There's no situation where you can't type if you can see the screen - the iPhone screen is so small that you must be within reach if you can see what's on it.

And if you don't want to type, then why would you want to hold the home button to open Siri either?

Keep digging

 

[Zaft]

Again, you still didn't respond to what was said in response to that. You have chosen to ignore it. Everything I said differentiates it, it can do. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY USED IT. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you appear to be a fool. Only a fool debates something they have no knowledge about. Your whole position is based on saying it is doing the same things as search, and it can't do anything else. The problem with your position is.....IT ACTUALLY CAN. You just don't know it, because you haven't used it. I know because I have used it. In the future, talk about something you know, and stop spewing ignorance.

you mad?

 

[batting1000]

That's how communication is meant to be full stop. The rule of thumb is usually to respond in the manner that a person contacted you in; return a phone call, reply to an email/text, have a face to face conversation with someone. What if you were speaking to somebody and they wrote all their answers on a bit of paper? That's the equivalent of what Siri does with a Google search.

There's no situation where you can't type if you can see the screen - the iPhone screen is so small that you must be within reach if you can see what's on it.

And if you don't want to type, then why would you want to hold the home button to open Siri either?

Keep digging

You do realize I'm not talking about Siri, right?

Besides, Siri isn't built around Google which is why she doesn't grab answers from there and read them. It's the reason why she brings you to Safari.

 

[404 tech junkie]

You do realize I'm not talking about Siri, right?

Besides, Siri isn't built around Google which is why she doesn't grab answers from there and read them. It's the reason why she brings you to Safari.

Still waiting.....

 

[Zaft]

Nope, actually I'm quite amused by this clown's ignorance. It's really quite funny. This guy is so dumb, he's actually arguing a point he doesn't even know about lol. That's is beyond stupid

just ignore it then, no need to write 15 paragraphs for no reason

 

[batting1000]

Still waiting.....

You're obviously unable to articulate properly because I've responded to each of your posts and none of them are good enough for you.

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If you're wanting me to do this:

Since you think it's the same, make a video asking it for directions to Walmart, it won't bring it up. Ask it to call Best Buy, it won't dial it. Ask it to send a message to someone, it won't do it. Obviously the searches will be similar because they are google searches, but doing a search and running Google Now is most certainly not the same. A search will give you absolutely no control over anything in your device, whereas Google Now does (ie texts, calls, navigation, maps, etc). Case Closed.

I won't because I know it won't work and I accept that because that's not what the app is supposed to do. That's not what I was saying was the same as Google Now. I was saying the fact that it can search Google and return the same answer at the top of the page is what's the same.

 

[404 tech junkie]

You're obviously unable to articulate properly because I've responded to each of your posts and none of them are good enough for you.

I said, since you think they're the same, go make a video asking the questions I stated previously. Oh wait, then it disprove what you said...so you won't be making that video huh? lol

 

[batting1000]

I said, since you think they're the same, go make a video asking the questions I stated previously. Oh wait, then it disprove what you said...so you won't be making that video huh? lol

Read what I just edited in above ^

 

[404 tech junkie]

I won't because I know it won't work and I accept that because that's not what the app is supposed to do. That's not what I was saying was the same as Google Now. I was saying the fact that it can search Google and return the same answer at the top of the page is what's the same.

So then they're not the same. End of story.

 

[batting1000]

So then they're not the same. End of story.

Sorry you took it the wrong way. I meant they were the same in regards to asking a question and getting an answer. I even mentioned how I could use Siri to fill the apps gaps (not being able to call, etc).

 

[matttye]

You do realize I'm not talking about Siri, right?

Besides, Siri isn't built around Google which is why she doesn't grab answers from there and read them. It's the reason why she brings you to Safari.

What app were you talking about then?

You said "with the app, I'm searching with my voice" and from what I understand you have an iPhone and hate Android. That kinda limits the apps you could be talking about.

Dig dig dig.

 

[batting1000]

What app were you talking about then?

You said "with the app, I'm searching with my voice" and from what I understand you have an iPhone and hate Android. That kinda limits the apps you could be talking about.

Dig dig dig.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-search/id284815942?mt=8

I don't hate Android. I actually think the Galaxy Nexus and S3 look nice, but I want stability, good apps, consistent performance, and consistent software support / customer support.

 

[404 tech junkie]

Sorry you took it the wrong way. I meant they were the same in regards to asking a question and getting an answer. I even mentioned how I could use Siri to fill the apps gaps (not being able to call, etc).

I get it. But what you're not seeming to understand is there is more to Google Now, than just asking it questions. You wouldn't know that if you haven't used the app. For example, it will automatically add a card showing traffic and estimated time of arrival for wherever you're going. On the 4th of July, while I was at a barbecue, it added a card showing traffic on the route going back to my house. I saw this card while asking a question about something totally unrelated. I didn't ask for directions home, I wasn't checking the traffic on the way home, it just knew to check it on it's own. That all is a part of Google Now. Of course you can get google search results with a google search. You can get the same thing if you go to google.com and speak your search there too. Heck the Google Now app even provides the actual search results for you when you go below the answer card. But that is only one part of the app. It does more than that, and it does it all inside that one app. That's the point of Google Now.

 

[matttye]

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-search/id284815942?mt=8

I don't hate Android. I actually think the Galaxy Nexus and S3 look nice, but I want stability, good apps, consistent performance, and consistent software support / customer support.

Most of the thread recently has been about Siri vs. Google voice so I jumped to the conclusion that you were talking about Siri. I haven't used the ios google voice search so I can't really comment.

I understand that and iOS is definitely the way to go with most of those things. If you don't mind tweaking and flashing then flashing a custom rom can keep you up to date with firmware often more stable than what the actual manufacturers put out. Android is definitely an enthusiast OS.

Samsung definitely seems to be trying to improve their software and support. Touchwiz on the S3 is decent and they've already put out two firmware updates. The phone has only been out six weeks. There are a couple of new features in the firmware released today too brightness control in the notification bar being the main one.

 

[batting1000]

I get it. But what you're not seeming to understand is there is more to Google Now, than just asking it questions. You wouldn't know that if you haven't used the app. For example, it will automatically add a card showing traffic and estimated time of arrival for wherever you're going. On the 4th of July, while I was at a barbecue, it added a card showing traffic on the route going back to my house. I saw this card while asking a question about something totally unrelated. I didn't ask for directions home, I wasn't checking the traffic on the way home, it just knew to check it on it's own. That all is a part of Google Now. Of course you can get google search results with a google search. You can get the same thing if you go to google.com and speak your search there too. Heck the Google Now app even provides the actual search results for you when you go below the answer card. But that is only one part of the app. It does more than that, and it does it all inside that one app. That's the point of Google Now.

Yeah. I mentioned all the features in one of my previous posts.

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Most of the thread recently has been about Siri vs. Google voice so I jumped to the conclusion that you were talking about Siri. I haven't used the ios google voice search so I can't really comment.

I understand that and iOS is definitely the way to go with most of those things. If you don't mind tweaking and flashing then flashing a custom rom can keep you up to date with firmware often more stable than what the actual manufacturers put out. Android is definitely an enthusiast OS.

Samsung definitely seems to be trying to improve their software and support. Touchwiz on the S3 is decent and they've already put out two firmware updates. The phone has only been out six weeks. There are a couple of new features in the firmware released today too brightness control in the notification bar being the main one.

Yeah I know, but I like knowing I can walk into an Apple Store and get help if I need it. I can walk into a Samsung store but the atmosphere is different. The Galaxy S3 looks pretty smooth but it's a different kind of smooth than the iPhone, it's hard to explain.

 

[Phokus]

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-search/id284815942?mt=8

I don't hate Android. I actually think the Galaxy Nexus and S3 look nice, but I want stability, good apps, consistent performance, and consistent software support / customer support.

Funny how 'good OS' isn't one of your criteria (ios is a dinosaur now, compared to what you get with android)

 

[matttye]

Yeah I know, but I like knowing I can walk into an Apple Store and get help if I need it. I can walk into a Samsung store but the atmosphere is different. The Galaxy S3 looks pretty smooth but it's a different kind of smooth than the iPhone, it's hard to explain.

Yeah I wasn't saying they're on Apples level of usability yet, just that they're improving

I'm IT literate and I'll search the web for hours for a solution to a problem before I ask anyone for help, so niggles and problems don't bother me - I actually quite enjoy troubleshooting. For someone like my mum however, I must've told her ten times how not to drag widgets off her home screens (she has my old htc desire) and she still keeps doing it

 

[batting1000]

Funny how 'good OS' isn't one of your criteria (ios is a dinosaur now, compared to what you get with android)

Those things make a good OS. What is an OS without those things?

 

[sracer]

Really?

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Michael

Thanks! I've been using an iPhone for 3 months and never saw that. Turns out that those fields (ringtone/vibration) are only visible if you EDIT the contact... simply browsing the contact doesn't display those fields. Poor UI design IMO.

Thanks again!

 

[DodgeV83]

That Dev question IMO isnt a real good question.

As a Dev, i could charge money on either platform so it really doesnt matter but since more people are on Android, i think id probably choose that one and keep the App cheap but really since im not a dev, its hard to answer that one logically. Right now, my logic says go where more people are at.

If you're interested, the following articles explain pretty well why developer support has overwhelmingly been on Apple's side:

The shocking toll of hardware and software fragmentation on Android development

iOS v Android: why Schmidt was wrong and developers still start on Apple

This was highlighted by the recent release of Temple Run on the Android platform. A previously (very) successful game on iOS, it was brought over to Android in order to take advantage of the huge number of devices that run the OS. And it has already hit 1 million downloads in just 3 days, good, even for a free app. But very quickly, the developers of the app discovered the pitfalls of fragmentation:

"99.9% of support emails are complaining their device isn’t supported. We currently support 707 devices. Mindblowing."

Smith confirmed for us that his Audiobooks app has been run on 1443 different Android devices by its users. This makes it absolutely impossible to determine whether an app will run without problems for all of your customers. To drive home how ridiculously shattered the Android landscape is, check out this list of the most used single devices based on 1.3M downloads of his app:

Droid X (7.8% of users)
Samsung Galaxy S2 (4.3%)
Droid (4%)
HTC Desire HD (4%)
HTC Evo 4G (3.7%)
Droid incredible (2.3%)
This is insanity when you look at it from the standpoint of an iOS developer, who has to support only a handful of hardware varietals. Of course, Android’s very nature causes this.

Current estimates peg the AppStore as having sold about 20x more than the Google Play store. I've read that some developers have actually had to hire additional support staff just to handle the onslaught of emails which came in after deciding to support Android, the majority of which were handset specific complaints. The developers are deciding to put their resources towards a second iOS app, instead of porting their existing app to Android.

One specific dev complained their Android app had 1/4th the revenue as their iOS app, while costing 4x to support. He ended up dropping Android altogether once he realized it was costing him 16x more to bring his apps to market.

 

[phpmaven]

I think it's telling that the OP has quite a few up-votes on this post. It's really interesting how the landscape has changed around here the last few months. I really think it's due to the fact that other manufacturers are coming out with some really excellent phones and Android has really come a long way. Now with the release of Windows 8 looming and some really interesting hand sets in the pipeline, the choices are getting really interesting.

If the next iPhone indeed comes out with a taller and not wider form factor, an idea which I personally think is insane, there will be a lot more people switching. Of course the iPhone will sell like hot cakes, but I really think we are going to see a lot more people sporting non-iPhones in the future. I can definitely see Apple's slice of the phone market going down significantly in the days ahead. Jelly Bean and Windows 8 Mobile are looking really good right now.

 

[aohus]

I can definitely see Apple's slice of the phone market going down significantly in the days ahead. Jelly Bean and Windows 8 Mobile are looking really good right now.

Which is why they're suing the crap out of everyone. HTC, Motorola, Samsung, etc.

They're worried they might 'just be another handset maker.'

That worries them.

 

[lordofthereef]

Which is why they're suing the crap out of everyone. HTC, Motorola, Samsung, etc.

First, let me make my stance clear; the law suites are out of hand, and I don't think they are "morally" right.

That said, I really don't think they have a whole lot to do with "fear". Apple feels they are just protecting what is theirs. Apple has been sued for the same sorts of things, and lost. The difference is that the opposition was so small, Apple could basically afford to just pay them off. So again, it is less fear, and more playing the game (the game being patents which IMHO is completely broken currently).