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iOS 10 & iPhone 7 Have to Be Game-Changers, for the Sake of Apple's Future
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Starting to miss?
Android have always been ahead in terms of features. However this has not effected sales and I doubt it will. Most android OEM's are leaking money and some are struggling to stay in the game.
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I'm ok with the 1080p display on the 6 plus. I think that going any further beyond 1440p would be over kill on a 5.5 inch display. Maybe I've gotten used to the IPS display on the iPhone or maybe the Samsung devices that I've seen recently need their display settings tweaked, but they've all looked horribly over saturated. I was someone who used to rave about the super amoled displays on Samsung devices. So I don't know what's happening to me.
As a current BlackBerry OS10 user, I'm thinking about making the jump to iPhone7/iOS10. With the 3D Touch in the current 6s range, I'm hoping that they can expand upon gesture-based actions and commands. Checking all my messages in one hub, swiping to navigate seamlessly through applications, etc. Have me spoiled. No home buttons, no back buttons. If they can implement any of that and make iOS more intuitive, I'd be hard-pressed not to switch since the app gap and apparent maintenance-only updates we'll be seeing to OS10.
The issue is design vs appeal - look at it this way, the 's model always shows a smaller growth.
The 4/4s jump was propped up by antenna gate in the 4 and the 5/5s was propped up by the gold model.
This time around we got a garish pink and no big feature that was a crowd pleaser hence a flatter growth. They will be another spike in sales for the 7 due to the design change then the 7s will be flat again.
Another factor this time around was the lack of smaller handset.
No I think it goes beyond that. The segment of the smartphone market that Apple supports has matured. Saturation. Will they go for the entry level segment, where Android rules? Who knows.
Normally I wouldn't buy into hopes of a revolutionary new iPhone or iOS. But the fact that Apple isn't saving the "Nightshift" feature for iOS 10 Gives me slight hope that they have something up their sleeve. It would have been very easy to wait until iOS 10 to release this "amazing new feature".
This very much reminds me of the good 'ol Palm days. After the iPhone came out, the Palm and Windows Mobile platforms, which were relatively big at the time, completely collapsed.
So who is coming up to take the place of Apple's presumed collapse? Tizen? Jolla? Sailfish?
The comparison would have merit if there were disruptive tech/OS emerging. Is there one?
The comparison would have merit if there were disruptive tech/OS emerging. Is there one?
The door is open for someone to supersede Apple but it doesn't look like anyone's knocking. Apple doesn't need to do anything game changing for 2016 or 2017 with the way things are trending.
There's an app that only works for jailbroken iPhones that they're getting that feature from. It makes the screen yellowish.
Never bitches but then goes on and on bitching.. makes sense.
If you think I'm complaining as opposed to stating my opinions, just wait until I AM complaining!
Or you can just ignore me. That's ok, lots of people do.
It won't bother me at all if you ignore me, I assure you.
I don't agree with anything you've said in the OP. It's silly to think that Apple is DOOMED or will be DOOMED because they made too many iPhones and Apple Watches.
I think we are just at the point where we take everything from Apple for granted. Its not that these new things aren't revolutionary, its that we had rising and rising expectations, generated by hype and our never ending desire to consume and excite, and will take any dip as the beginning of a burning, violent end.
Full disclosure, I didn't even read the whole post. Just up to: Apple seems to be on an unfortunate minor downward spiral
I think we are just at the point where we take everything from Apple for granted. Its not that these new things aren't revolutionary, its that we had rising and rising expectations, generated by hype and our never ending desire to consume and excite, and will take any dip as the beginning of a burning, violent end.
Full disclosure, I didn't even read the whole post. Just up to: Apple seems to be on an unfortunate minor downward spiral
LOL @ the people that say "Apple stole/'borrowed' xxx tweak from jailbreak developers". Get over yourselves. Apple created their own version of the feature to (in their opinion) better suit the average user's needs. Whoopdie-freakin'-do about where Apple supposedly got the idea from. You mad? Because nobody cares.
If you think I'm complaining as opposed to stating my opinions, just wait until I AM complaining!
Or you can just ignore me. That's ok, lots of people do.
It won't bother me at all if you ignore me, I assure you.
Na not qualified for the ignore list yet, but theirs still hope for you
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I think this thread is a bit dramatic in terms of what the OP is stating. Firstly, we all know that the design for the next phone will likely be different in looks, size, etc than the current phones available by Apple. That's a significant change. iOS10 will likely also bring change and welcomed additions to the operating system. Consider that after the sales figures Apple released yesterday, the media put a spin on it to give doom and gloom reports against Apple. I think that was a poor decision. Apple has the highest profit of any company in the world, and in the history of capitalism.
If Apple released the iPhone 7 and it had minor changes along with a poor release of iOS 10, people would still buy the phones and love that OS. People that are running on the older generation phones (2+ years old) will want to upgrade at some point. If the customers enjoyed their experience with past Apple products, there is a good and reasonable chance that Apple retains those same customers.
Would I agree if the problem noted pertained to Apple's competitors? Absolutely, to a degree. Android-based phones are becoming better and better, and Apple is getting a run for its proverbial money. Unfortunately, many realize Android OEMs and cellular providers bundle in bloatware on the OS for many of the devices (minus Nexus/stock devices), and defragmentation is a serious concern. When you purchase an Android phone, I always say that expect what you get out of the box and nothing more. No updates, and the phone will likely not run better than when it did when you opened it. This of course, isn't taking into account the Nexus devices.
I think the one thing I really enjoy about Android devices is that the hardware is often leaps and bounds greater than iPhones. Apple does one major thing right, however. Since they do make their own hardware and control that market, they optimize with what they have. 2GB of RAM goes a long way on iOS 9 with an Apple device. 2GB of RAM on an Android device wouldn't cut it, probably.
If Apple released the iPhone 7 and it had minor changes along with a poor release of iOS 10, people would still buy the phones and love that OS. People that are running on the older generation phones (2+ years old) will want to upgrade at some point. If the customers enjoyed their experience with past Apple products, there is a good and reasonable chance that Apple retains those same customers.
Would I agree if the problem noted pertained to Apple's competitors? Absolutely, to a degree. Android-based phones are becoming better and better, and Apple is getting a run for its proverbial money. Unfortunately, many realize Android OEMs and cellular providers bundle in bloatware on the OS for many of the devices (minus Nexus/stock devices), and defragmentation is a serious concern. When you purchase an Android phone, I always say that expect what you get out of the box and nothing more. No updates, and the phone will likely not run better than when it did when you opened it. This of course, isn't taking into account the Nexus devices.
I think the one thing I really enjoy about Android devices is that the hardware is often leaps and bounds greater than iPhones. Apple does one major thing right, however. Since they do make their own hardware and control that market, they optimize with what they have. 2GB of RAM goes a long way on iOS 9 with an Apple device. 2GB of RAM on an Android device wouldn't cut it, probably.
I'm the only person in this thread who has said that. So, your comment has to solely be directed at me.
It's my opinion. And, by the way, I'm not mad. It's quite ok with me if you don't care though. Not everyone cares about other people, their feelings or their opinions. I understand.
This. Until the competition stop trying to copy Apple's software features and start inventing their own, I doubt there will be any challenge to Apple and Google. Even then, look at Microsoft - a company with a lot of resources and an OS with some good ideas has just completely failed to gain much traction.
I wouldn't hardly say its "for the Sake of Apple's Future" they are still going to sell a boat load. In other words they aren't going to turn into HTC over night. To investors if you sell 1 less then last year all is lost. This is all a little extreme.
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Sorry. I meant that what you said about Blackberry reminded me about that. Not that there is anything compelling enough to make it obsolete.
It is the economy and you have not seen anything yet. After seeing MANY new Apple phones come out I gave up on updates that blow your socks off. I can not see the 7 or iOS10 doing it either.
The correct word is incremental.
As long as the iPhone 7 doesn't eschew the headphone jack, I'll probably be able to consider it.
The iPhone hardware is better than ever, the software is the biggest problem and my personal deciding factor.
iOS 9 was boring and underwhelming, iOS needs a major overhaul for version 10. The design language that debuted in iOS 7 is starting to look really stale and dated. Even compared to the Yosemite/El Capitan UI, the current iOS UI looks half-assed and amateurish. Hopefully iOS 10 will take more design cues and elements from OS X: more depth, detail and shadowing not to mention actual buttons, nicer-looking icons and much less white. While OS X is flatter than previous releases, it still retains a distinct visual identity and its design is much more refined and polished over iOS, which still looks unfinished ever since Jony Ive took over.
Tied into the iOS aspect: the default music app needs a complete overhaul as well. The music app that debuted in iOS 8.4 is terribly designed and laid out, not to mention incredibly unfocused. I get that Apple wants to be in the streaming game, but it should be separate from the stock music app, the same with the radio features. I just want the music app to emphasize MY personal locally-stored music collection in the same way as it was before. The music app from iOS 6 is the best example of an elegantly-designed but simple and functional default music player for iOS, a natural evolution of the standalone iPods. The new music app takes that joy and simplicity away to promote a streaming service I have no intention of subscribing to. One of the biggest initial selling points of the iPhone was that it could double as an iPod but that functionality has definitely diminished in recent years. If I can't use my iPhone (or iPad) as an iPod anymore, there's almost no point in purchasing another one of these devices again...
The iPhone hardware is better than ever, the software is the biggest problem and my personal deciding factor.
iOS 9 was boring and underwhelming, iOS needs a major overhaul for version 10. The design language that debuted in iOS 7 is starting to look really stale and dated. Even compared to the Yosemite/El Capitan UI, the current iOS UI looks half-assed and amateurish. Hopefully iOS 10 will take more design cues and elements from OS X: more depth, detail and shadowing not to mention actual buttons, nicer-looking icons and much less white. While OS X is flatter than previous releases, it still retains a distinct visual identity and its design is much more refined and polished over iOS, which still looks unfinished ever since Jony Ive took over.
Tied into the iOS aspect: the default music app needs a complete overhaul as well. The music app that debuted in iOS 8.4 is terribly designed and laid out, not to mention incredibly unfocused. I get that Apple wants to be in the streaming game, but it should be separate from the stock music app, the same with the radio features. I just want the music app to emphasize MY personal locally-stored music collection in the same way as it was before. The music app from iOS 6 is the best example of an elegantly-designed but simple and functional default music player for iOS, a natural evolution of the standalone iPods. The new music app takes that joy and simplicity away to promote a streaming service I have no intention of subscribing to. One of the biggest initial selling points of the iPhone was that it could double as an iPod but that functionality has definitely diminished in recent years. If I can't use my iPhone (or iPad) as an iPod anymore, there's almost no point in purchasing another one of these devices again...