This is the most flawed update in years. I can’t even open my Messages app anymore. It just shows a black screen, until it crashes and brings me back straight to the Home Screen. Not to talk about the battery drain. Gosh…
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iOS 15 Messages Bug Causes Saved Photos to Be Deleted
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There is something even more wrong with this iOS release, that many don't know about yet. I have seen people getting new iPhones, or just restored to another through iCloud backup. They have lost many pictures/videos in their iMessage thread.
So, I gather that many new iPhone 13 owners who did a iCloud restore, are now missing a lot of pictures and videos from the iMessage thread. I really hope that Apple can bring those memories back again.
So, I gather that many new iPhone 13 owners who did a iCloud restore, are now missing a lot of pictures and videos from the iMessage thread. I really hope that Apple can bring those memories back again.
You obviously forgot about iOS 13, where fixes needed to be delivered at least once a week.
The problem seems to be that Apple delivers the new version of iOS without caring, if it is ready for use. It would be much better to postpone the release, if there were last minute changes.
You still live in the past, right? Cause your statment is about as much valid as any usp coming from apple these days.
Try harder at being funny.
(I have seen many allusions to this idea while browsing up to here, so nothing against this one specifically)
So, wfh is not for everybody, but really… are we hinting at the fact that 0-day patches, botched launches, precarious updates, “that updated that killed all these features”, or “that fix that made the phone drain battery life, run crappy, throttle down” etc etc didn’t happen before COVID? Windows Phone failed miserably and they were very work from office. iTunes/Music etc wasnt all amazing and great before wfh.
From where I’m standing is just a steady decline (with major borked highlights) since a decade and a half ago… from window, Mac, iOS, PlayStation, Xbox, etc etc launches.
— Rant on wfh:
I understand that work from home works better for some than for others, namely barely “hanging in there” couples that can’t spend 2 hours straight around the same area without nagging, add to that kids that didn’t go to school because it’s closed or the kid(s) is sick or just lack of willpower where TV and eating instead of working becomes the norm… an understandably low situation.
Personally for me it has been a bliss, commuting costs gone, 2hrs saved over each day, which I use for a daily longer run, hear podcasts, watch tutorials, learn stuff. Deliver things weeks in advance at times, etc.
Seriously? I have Time Machine so I can always restore it from there if it gets deleted. Still I'm going to make a duplicate copy of my PhotoLibrary on external drive for now till this is fixed.
Funny how these issues only started with the software versions they started working on entirely from home. The last version, iOS 14, started development in 2019, so they had ample time to work on it before transitioning to a telecommuting setup.
While I would hesitate to blame WFH for these issues (this isn’t the first time Apple has had bugs and certainly won’t be the last… it happens… by the time iOS 17 comes out we’ll be complaining that it’s the buggiest ever and no one will remember this happened on 15) - I do think WFH is less than ideal in highly collaborative and creative workspaces. While not impossible to do, it’s hard to replicate the team atmosphere of quick ideas in the hallway or seeing one another in person using Zoom or Slack. I work in a creative industry, and we made it work over the past year and a half at times when we had to when things got extra Covid bad in our area, but it was a struggle and for sure less effective than when we were together in one building
Yeah, no.
If I delete the imported photo in Photos/iCloud? Sure, I could see it deleting it from iMessage at that point.
However, if I import the photo to iCloud/Photos and I delete the conversation? Absolutely no ****ing way should the photo be deleted from iCloud without prompting the user. That's absurd. It doesn't even move it to the hidden items 'recently deleted' area. It's just gone, and it removes it from all devices using iCloud for photos. Further, it's not like iOS has always done this. If this is a 'feature' it shows the lack of thought put into this release iOS and not advising users of the substantive change.
I'm baffled how many people are still blaming WFH. Seriously, most software development are already outsourced to China or India, thus the idea of the team working remotely is nothing new. If Apple suddenky have such issues, then they have weak sop or crappy software engineers.
I had pretty much zero problems with the beta iOS 15's on my 12P.
I got to the 13PM running 15, and the bugs started coming out like a new episode of "Joe's Apartment".
So somewhere, there's most likely a correlation. A combination of work from home, which made it just about impossible to test the software on the actual hardware at the same level as being in the building. I mean, this is just obvious. Apple isn't going to send a bunch of iPhone 13's out to coders to test the software at home. You can simply do more testing on actual hardware in the office. It's basic common sense. So anyone who says work from home didn't have an impact on the issues in iOS 15 just isn't seeing the forest for the trees. It's CLEARLY had an impact, and to NOT expect it to have an impact is just odd, IMHO.
A lot of experienced people probably got pulled for the CSAM project. Again, common sense. You're not going to hire from the outside for such a sensitive project, and you're gonna put your best people on it. This most likely created a drain on the 15 project, which has an impact on the quality of the product.
SO this is really the combination of a number of factors. Work from home, CSAM project, and unavailability of physical product to test changes on.
Work from home becomes less of a factor, now that the lack of physical product is eliminated as a testing issue. There's no secrecy "issue" with employees having the new hardware at home to actually test software on, so that negates a LOT of problems.
The CSAM project is in stasis (for now). I don't dare say it's eliminated. They put too much into defending it. It will be back. But for now, the people working on that project can be surged into fixing what's wrong with 15 ASAP.
For some reason, Apple thought they could pull it off. CSAM, 15, and the 13 all while working from home. Too big a lift for any organization. There was NO WAY it was going to happen without issues. Lots of issues.
A CEO with a net worth of 1.4 BILLION dollars should darn well know it and should have made the hard decisions. This is, like most of Apple's screw ups lately, a MANAGEMENT issue. Or lack thereof.
The issue here is the inability to prioritize efforts in an organization that's become too big for it's own good, and hubris. They thought they could pull it all off. So instead of getting one thing right, they pooped the place of sleeping on all fronts.
Focus. Focus on one thing at a time. Do it right, be the best at it. The rest will follow. Focus on what's important to your users. The rest will follow.
Apple lacked focus, and missed all the targets. They did a crappy job at a lot of things, but got nothing absolutely right.
I got to the 13PM running 15, and the bugs started coming out like a new episode of "Joe's Apartment".
So somewhere, there's most likely a correlation. A combination of work from home, which made it just about impossible to test the software on the actual hardware at the same level as being in the building. I mean, this is just obvious. Apple isn't going to send a bunch of iPhone 13's out to coders to test the software at home. You can simply do more testing on actual hardware in the office. It's basic common sense. So anyone who says work from home didn't have an impact on the issues in iOS 15 just isn't seeing the forest for the trees. It's CLEARLY had an impact, and to NOT expect it to have an impact is just odd, IMHO.
A lot of experienced people probably got pulled for the CSAM project. Again, common sense. You're not going to hire from the outside for such a sensitive project, and you're gonna put your best people on it. This most likely created a drain on the 15 project, which has an impact on the quality of the product.
SO this is really the combination of a number of factors. Work from home, CSAM project, and unavailability of physical product to test changes on.
Work from home becomes less of a factor, now that the lack of physical product is eliminated as a testing issue. There's no secrecy "issue" with employees having the new hardware at home to actually test software on, so that negates a LOT of problems.
The CSAM project is in stasis (for now). I don't dare say it's eliminated. They put too much into defending it. It will be back. But for now, the people working on that project can be surged into fixing what's wrong with 15 ASAP.
For some reason, Apple thought they could pull it off. CSAM, 15, and the 13 all while working from home. Too big a lift for any organization. There was NO WAY it was going to happen without issues. Lots of issues.
A CEO with a net worth of 1.4 BILLION dollars should darn well know it and should have made the hard decisions. This is, like most of Apple's screw ups lately, a MANAGEMENT issue. Or lack thereof.
The issue here is the inability to prioritize efforts in an organization that's become too big for it's own good, and hubris. They thought they could pull it all off. So instead of getting one thing right, they pooped the place of sleeping on all fronts.
Focus. Focus on one thing at a time. Do it right, be the best at it. The rest will follow. Focus on what's important to your users. The rest will follow.
Apple lacked focus, and missed all the targets. They did a crappy job at a lot of things, but got nothing absolutely right.
Honestly, we're at the point with smartphones now that Apple should really start thinking about slowing the major release schedule to every other year at this point. There's no reason they couldn't have just focused on doing an iOS 14 update with the real-time OCR this year and basically just left it at that.
As a workaround, save photos to the Files app, either to your local storage or iCloud storage. It should not delete it from there.
This issue may be related to APFS, as it only stores the file once to avoid duplicates, and either the Messages App or the APFS manager is not keeping track of how many different references exist for that specific file.
This issue may be related to APFS, as it only stores the file once to avoid duplicates, and either the Messages App or the APFS manager is not keeping track of how many different references exist for that specific file.
No the argument is working from home caused this but we have been through even worse releases while they were not working from home.
Oh yeah? What about Catalina that introduced kernel panics on my perfectly fine iMac which rendered it useless and had to downgrade to Mojave? Were we working from home then? I have been through far worse upgrades years ago, even iOS. Even when macOS was called OSX.
the fallacy in your argument is best explained with an example.
Dead guy on your front lawn. He was shot in the head.
Dead guy on your front lawn last year died of a heart attack. And the one the year before that also died of a heart attack.
Just because two dead guys died of heart attacks doesn’t mean the third dead guy couldn’t have been shot in the head.
Make a shared album she can have access to and drop the photos and videos in there. That’s how we share in our family.
They pulled the CSAM and moderated images in Messages for kids out at the last minute because of bad press reaction. Could be related. Rush to remove code.