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Wow. I restart without restoring from a backup every few month (everything important is in my iCloud) just for fun. I love doing it. I could do it as a job all day 😅
I started as new to get rid of the 75gb other storage and didn’t lose anything. But is there no quicker way to re download all purchased music (about 2000 songs) rather than going thru iTunes app on the phone and manually downloading each one? I have no access to a PC.
 
I think you just nailed it. More like the re-install rather than the initial method. If you could re-install OTA I suspect folks would also see issues go away.

So I thought about how you can actually have a second go at an OTA install.

I could get the iOS 16 beta 8 IPSW file I have on my mac. Re-Install that using the tethered method, in finder, holding down alt etc. that would let me select and reinstall beta 8 using a mac.

Then once that’s finished, I could go into settings and iOS 16 official release would be available again for OTA.

So you could see, if second time round, a reinstall using OTA, if that bug was persistent in that build.
 
I think you just nailed it. More like the re-install rather than the initial method. If you could re-install OTA I suspect folks would also see issues go away.

Also food for thought:

Why not for developers have an OTA full reinstall button for the beta your on?

It’s not that, I don’t think ?!? this would put more strain on servers, because you use the server to download an 6/7 gig IPSW file anyway, so unless using the server to download the full iOS beta over OTA is more of a strain, then I have my answer, but let’s say it doesn’t…

… and Craig directed a few of us to hard restarts, then a reinstall using the IPSW file method to test if it was a glitch or a proper bug.

…So Apple want you, for some reason, to use the IPSW file route to sort out issues.

That’s a head scratcher for me. A smarter brain I’m sure has as more calculated answer… but do you see where I’m going with this.

My brain then looks at all this and just goes, “Ahh, cut out the middle man my son (Mr OTA) and just install with an IPSW file. Job done. Nice one geeza.”
 
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found another bug or more like an oversight (is that the English term?)

When you go to settings and then wallpaper settings and you forget about it and leave the setting app to do something else, and you later go on to try to edit your wallpaper straight from the lock screen. It does not let you, it seems like the open settings from earlier are blocking the "view" so to say. You need to close the settings app before you can do edits to your wallpaper straight from the lock screen

edit: now it works :D must have been a bug indeed in that case
 
did anyone go through a Apple rapid security update during the beta and where does this show up when it takes place?

I don’t think one was done. I think the whole point is any urgent security fixes are done in the background. Probably without the user being aware.

We won’t really know more, until either Apple publish a support document or one happens.

The toggle to disable is in Software update and the ability to roll back will be in there, once we start getting them, I assume, too.
 
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Does the default iOS 16 wallpaper have a dark mode variant? It doesn't change to dark when the phone is on dark mode.
 
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There's no question that there might be faults. But with the elaborate checksums and other error detection software in place, its not likely. Almost certainly that's what's going on during the extended "preparing update" phase of OTAs. Its backchecking to make sure what was downloaded and on the device matches what should be on the device.
Both methods are digitally signed with the same certificate, and checksums are part of the Cert. They have to be identical. Preparing likely expands/decompresses the update and merges the deltas into the whole, the certificate is verified against the end result. Both methods should produce 100% identical install images.

During upgrades, install scripts run to install services, migrate preferences and run other migration and set up tasks. Sometimes they get errors when they run (especially during beta cycles when they’re still testing them). There could be coding errors, errors in asynchronous updates (parallel updates dependent on one another) and general timeouts (something never finished in time).

If you get errors in applying an update, a reapply may solve it. There is only one way to reapply: IPSW.

Neither way is superior in applying that first try, there’s only one way to do a second try, and if you often feel you have to do this more than once, you will easily feel justified in downloading the big IPSW image once, rather than downloading OTA then IPSW. Makes enough sense.

For me, I do OTA and if I need to reapply, I then download IPSW, which is extremely rare.
Had my first app update with passkeys (Kayak). That is going to be the sleeper feature to beat them all.
You mean like Apple Pay? Took a long time to catch on, but I can’t imagine liv without it today.
 
Both methods are digitally signed with the same certificate, and checksums are part of the Cert. They have to be identical. Preparing likely expands/decompresses the update and merges the deltas into the whole, the certificate is verified against the end result. Both methods should produce 100% identical install images.

During upgrades, install scripts run to install services, migrate preferences and run other migration and set up tasks. Sometimes they get errors when they run (especially during beta cycles when they’re still testing them). There could be coding errors, errors in asynchronous updates (parallel updates dependent on one another) and general timeouts (something never finished in time).

If you get errors in applying an update, a reapply may solve it. There is only one way to reapply: IPSW.

Neither way is superior in applying that first try, there’s only one way to do a second try, and if you often feel you have to do this more than once, you will easily feel justified in downloading the big IPSW image once, rather than downloading OTA then IPSW. Makes enough sense.

For me, I do OTA and if I need to reapply, I then download IPSW, which is extremely rare.

You mean like Apple Pay? Took a long time to catch on, but I can’t imagine liv without it today.

Reapply, it’s like software suntan lotion 😆😂
 
Both methods are digitally signed with the same certificate, and checksums are part of the Cert. They have to be identical. Preparing likely expands/decompresses the update and merges the deltas into the whole, the certificate is verified against the end result. Both methods should produce 100% identical install images.

During upgrades, install scripts run to install services, migrate preferences and run other migration and set up tasks. Sometimes they get errors when they run (especially during beta cycles when they’re still testing them). There could be coding errors, errors in asynchronous updates (parallel updates dependent on one another) and general timeouts (something never finished in time).

If you get errors in applying an update, a reapply may solve it. There is only one way to reapply: IPSW.

Neither way is superior in applying that first try, there’s only one way to do a second try, and if you often feel you have to do this more than once, you will easily feel justified in downloading the big IPSW image once, rather than downloading OTA then IPSW. Makes enough sense.

For me, I do OTA and if I need to reapply, I then download IPSW, which is extremely rare.

You mean like Apple Pay? Took a long time to catch on, but I can’t imagine liv without it today.

Well written. Like that 👍🏼
 
CarPlay help needed badly please!!! Anytime I am listening to SiriusXM or local radio, carplay interrupts every 20-30 seconds as if I'm trying to play something on my phone. This happens when I'm using a maps app or if I have every app closed. Basically, my radio stops, the unit shows it's now connected to CarPlay audio, and then 2 seconds later my radio comes back on. Any recommendations???
 
CarPlay help needed badly please!!! Anytime I am listening to SiriusXM or local radio, carplay interrupts every 20-30 seconds as if I'm trying to play something on my phone. This happens when I'm using a maps app or if I have every app closed. Basically, my radio stops, the unit shows it's now connected to CarPlay audio, and then 2 seconds later my radio comes back on. Any recommendations???

My first thought was to restart your head unit... don't know what car/head unit you have, but typically, hold power and fast forward ( >>| ) buttons until the radio restarts. It's fixed a number of random issues for me in the past... next step would be to disconnect your phone from CarPlay and restart the phone.
 
I don’t think one was done. I think the whole point is any urgent security fixes are done in the background. Probably without the user being aware.

We won’t really know more, until either Apple publish a support document or one happens.

The toggle to disable is in Software update and the ability to roll back will be in there, once we start getting them, I assume, too.
just curious, do you think the most of them will be done with the phone not having to restart or are they going to restart our phones. Would suck to be doing something important and your phone just restart.
 
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My first thought was to restart your head unit... don't know what car/head unit you have, but typically, hold power and fast forward ( >>| ) buttons until the radio restarts. It's fixed a number of random issues for me in the past... next step would be to disconnect your phone from CarPlay and restart the phone.

I can confirm it's the phone. I tried my phone in 3 cars and had the same issue in each. My wife tried her phone in my car and the issue did not arise
 
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Both methods are digitally signed with the same certificate, and checksums are part of the Cert. They have to be identical. Preparing likely expands/decompresses the update and merges the deltas into the whole, the certificate is verified against the end result. Both methods should produce 100% identical install images.

During upgrades, install scripts run to install services, migrate preferences and run other migration and set up tasks. Sometimes they get errors when they run (especially during beta cycles when they’re still testing them). There could be coding errors, errors in asynchronous updates (parallel updates dependent on one another) and general timeouts (something never finished in time).

If you get errors in applying an update, a reapply may solve it. There is only one way to reapply: IPSW.

Neither way is superior in applying that first try, there’s only one way to do a second try, and if you often feel you have to do this more than once, you will easily feel justified in downloading the big IPSW image once, rather than downloading OTA then IPSW. Makes enough sense.

For me, I do OTA and if I need to reapply, I then download IPSW, which is extremely rare.

You mean like Apple Pay? Took a long time to catch on, but I can’t imagine liv without it today.

Great post.

And I hope/suspect that passkeys will get faster adoption than Apple Pay. It took a pandemic to really move the needle there. But that was likely due to it being a convenience rather than a necessity. I think we are reaching the “necessity” stage with passwords.
 
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just curious, do you think the most of them will be done with the phone not having to restart or are they going to restart our phones. Would suck to be doing something important and your phone just restart.

They’ll never put you in a position with these updates where your phone is restarted without your consent. Too much liability risk there:

“I was just about to sign that $1 million contract to play for the baseball team and my phone restarted on its own. Now the contact is gone.”

Not going to happen (at least intentionally).
 
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The mail search function is still oddly incomplete. I think it goes back further than before but it still doesn't search all mail.

I needed an old (2016) invoice today and I still had to go to the gmail app.
 
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Started a thread to list apps that have enabled passkeys. Have a look and add to it. Let me (and more importantly the mods) know if you think this is worth “sticky” status. As I’ve said elsewhere, this may be the most significant change to handheld computing in many years.

EDIT: Had mods move an existing thread on Passkeys out of one of the Apple services forums to this main forum and combine with mine. Link below.

Apps with Passkeys
 
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just curious, do you think the most of them will be done with the phone not having to restart or are they going to restart our phones. Would suck to be doing something important and your phone just restart.
The word from Apple is that it’ll install and not need to restart.

You’ll get the option to roll back too, as well as the current option to opt out.
 
Vastly different in size, so not really an example in mine with what you’re comparing to.
The semi-transparent example I saw a while back was the best version I've seen so far. Hopefully they can bring back the original way on the 14 Pro's when the dynamic island is in its small size.
 
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Great post.

And I hope/suspect that passkeys will get faster adoption than Apple Pay. It took a pandemic to really move the needle there. But that was likely due to it being a convenience rather than a necessity. I think we are reaching the “necessity” stage with passwords.
Adoption needs to go way beyond AP.
Run into a lot that don’t use it or it doesn’t work.
This is especially for folks like me that utilize several different devices / OS’s.
 
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