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Apparently it won’t work with VPNs. The user needs to be physically located in an EU country. From Apple’s support document: “The country or region of your Apple ID must be set to one of the countries or regions of the European Union, and you must be physically located in the European Union.” and “If you leave the European Union for short-term travel, you'll continue to have access to alternative app marketplaces for a grace period. If you're gone for too long, you'll lose access to some features, including installing new alternative app marketplaces. Apps you installed from alternative app marketplaces will continue to function, but they can't be updated by the marketplace you downloaded them from.” (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/118110).
Thanks for that. That's relevant to my question above. It seems to me that introduces a security vulnerability for people like my daughter who spends about half her time in the UK and the rest in Ireland. If she can't update apps, she could be left exposed to security issues until she returns home and manages to get an update.

That's not really good enough from a company that's supposedly all about security. I can just about see a reasoning for not allowing new apps to be downloaded from alternative app stores, but not allowing updates to already purchased apps, wherever they're from, is not good.
 
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There is no reason to limit those charge cycle count things to iPhone 15 series.
The phone shall have that data because if the genius bar can see them, then it shall be available to us as well.
There is. To accumulate little features like this, so when you finally upgrade your iPhone, you will feel it as bigger upgrade artificially. (of course charge cycle count alone is not reason to upgrade)
 
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That’s funny I don’t see battery cycle count? Am I holding it wrong?
 

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Exactly. Super slimey behavior. but I expect nothing less from Apple, or any other big tech company for that matter.
iOS and ipadOS are the same thing! they are splitting hairs to get away with more nonsense.
Obviously the regulations as written doesn’t cover iPadOs or it would have been included.
 
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Really keen to see a full walkthrough of the changes from an european user. Nothing on YouTube yet?
There are no big noticeable changes. I had to pick the default web browser when i opened safari, and when i opened appstore there was just a welcome to appstore and then a screen with praising how great and secure the appstore is.
 
So pretty much everyone is excited or cranky over the stopwatch or emojis...

Not one mention of Epic and how long before their "killer alt app store" will be available.

A few pirate game players probably about to miffed on emulators too ;)
 
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I am annoyed that this morning CarPlay didn't work anymore. I switched to iPhone 3 years ago because of I thought Apple cared about quality. I no longer think they do.
 
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Since I'm not in the EU i guess I have to accept emojis...

Hopefully more countries force Apple to bring over these changes and offer sideloading.
 
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But whyyyyy couldn’t they just fix the wifi bug on iPhones mainly the 15 pro models??? Smh i guess 17.4.1
 
Can't wait for emulators to be available in alternative app stores! They should just allow side-loading.
How does one in the Americas access EU alternative app stores?
I have a japanese app store account from when I lived there.... So I imagine just using a VPN I can access EU alt app stores?
Right? I can’t wait for AltStore to launch. Riley is a trusted developer with integrity and a high sense of quality. Should be great…
 
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I am annoyed that this morning CarPlay didn't work anymore. I switched to iPhone 3 years ago because of I thought Apple cared about quality. I no longer think they do.
So 17.4 bricked your CarPlay?? That's bad man. I'm glad I didn't update right away.

Let's also see how everyones battery life is after the update.
 
Quantum computers are expected to eventually be able to make large-scale calculations that would allow them to decrypt content secured with traditional encryption methods, but that won't be possible with PQ3.

You mean the developers claim/hope that won't be possible with PQ3. We can't know for certain what will be possible in the future with technology that hasn't been invented yet. I'll be very impressed if what they're implementing now actually does hold up well.
 
Biggest change in the update is the battery cycle count - which they don't even offer on older models 😂😂😂typical apple stuff
**** I want out of this prison
 

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Biggest change in the update is the battery cycle count - which they don't even offer on older models 😂😂😂typical apple stuff
**** I want out of this prison
it's easy.

go to the shops and choose an Android device.
no one is stopping you. you do you...
 
Part of me wants to boycott this pathetic update. Because I’m against the EU changes.

But I also hate my software not being updated. Plus I’m American so it doesn’t affect me.

Plus apple will eventually update it regardless 🫢
 
"Call identification in iOS 17.4 displays Apple-verified business names, logos, and department names when the information is available."

Looking for more info on this. What are Apple-verified business names, logos, and department names? Are these thru Yelp?
 
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