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iOS 6 to Bring Systemwide Facebook Integration
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So let me get this straight...
Instead of just the FaceBook app crashing on my iPhone and iPad, the whole iOS 6 will...
Instead of just the FaceBook app crashing on my iPhone and iPad, the whole iOS 6 will...
I don't mind this, but I only use Facebook as a networking tool. What I do find annoying is when people post crap like "Hey, I just made toast for breakfast. It was really good toast. I really like toast." Then the comments are about how "I like toast, too!" "Me, too! I'm also going to make some toast!"
And all the Farmiville, Citycrap, Mafia whatever idiocy has to stop.
Ah, the internet. Bringing people together by our shared experiences of mundane ******.
It's also why I will never join Twitter. Yeah, I get it. But it's so full of superfluous garbage there's just nothing in it for me. And quite frankly, anything one can say in 140 characters or less probably just isn't worth saying in the first place.
Oh...and toast!
And all the Farmiville, Citycrap, Mafia whatever idiocy has to stop.
Ah, the internet. Bringing people together by our shared experiences of mundane ******.
It's also why I will never join Twitter. Yeah, I get it. But it's so full of superfluous garbage there's just nothing in it for me. And quite frankly, anything one can say in 140 characters or less probably just isn't worth saying in the first place.
Oh...and toast!
Toast. Yes, I get it. But it's pointless.
And don't tget so defensive because I don't like something you do. Relax.
I have a FB account and I have a real garden, a real family that I really talk to, and do many other real things in life. My family is spread across the country and it is a great way to keep in touch, not only with them but as others have mentioned, old classmates, friends, and other folks. If any tool becomes either an object of worship or an object of derision, time for a level-set. It's a tool, not your enemy (or your friend for that matter
). Use it or don't - shouldn't be something anyone loses sleep over.This is my point exactly. Our society spends too much time talking about what they're doing, instead of just doing it.I have a FB account and I have a real garden, a real family that I really talk to, and do many other real things in life. My family is spread across the country and it is a great way to keep in touch, not only with them but as others have mentioned, old classmates, friends, and other folks. If any tool becomes either an object of worship or an object of derision, time for a level-set. It's a tool, not your enemy (or your friend for that matter
Why didn't you just disable Facebook notifications? Or simply disable invites, or disable Farmville type app invites?
Facebook really isn't that hard to use.
I'm not saying "you should be mad" just saying different people have different views on privacy. It might not seem like a big deal to you, but to others it is.
Coupled with Mark Zuckerberg saying something along the lines of "I can't believe these dumb f___s trust me with their private information."
I don't blame people for having negative attitudes towards Facebook, if they're legitimate.
Twitter and Facebook are not the same thing. Twitter doesn't use your contacts, events, groups, friends, information. On Twitter you could just have your name and that's it. It's quick and easy public messaging, which is why so many have picked it up.
Facebook is primarily used to connect with family and friends, and it does a great job in doing so. Twitter is just quick and easy messaging.
Therefore, they do not have access to the same info. On Facebook, I have my personal information, on Twitter i'm just a random person.
Apart from it's ridiculous valuations about it's apparent "900M users", people have many legitimate reasons to hate it, namely privacy. Also the quote above by the CEO of that company also speaks a lot about the nature of the company.
I don't believe Facebook is the poster child for a possibly non-existant conspiracy.
Twitter has very little information of mine to sell, for me to be concerned.
Why are you reading the toast comments? Just filter out the friends worth reading into a new feed and follow that...if at all. When I want to know what a specific person is up to, I just click on their timeline. If they're a toast-person, I just realize that's the shallow person they are, and don't visit their timeline.
As for the apps... block them.
Really? Check my Macrumors join date and compare it to yours. Really? You're going to go there?
Sorry, but I've been an Apple user since 1979. Give me a break.
You still sound like those who need to take their tin foil hat off.
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For someone allegedly using Apple devices since 1979, you surely could do better than that. And as for the "tin foil" nonsense, I don't even know what you're talking about. My criticism is about integrating FB on a system level for the reasons I've exhaustively provided above - it has nothing to do with paranoia, although of course the FB business case is, indeed, in using private data for debatable purposes. Unless you live in la-la-land and believe everything you are told, of course.
In conclusion: if forced FB logins are not a problem for you, so be it; there are already thousands of apps doing it.
I just don't want Apple to support such an invasive feature without major strings attached (API-level or whatever), in the same way that they (so far) have blocked apps from presuming a permission that you have not given them. But no, I do not think this will happen under Tim Cook's leadership, unfortunately.
Sounds like an annoyance for a social app. Facebook doesn't understand social. Humans understand when they want to be social and when they don't.
Facebook just seeks to engage as many people as possible and actually makes people anti-social.
That being said I don't mind Facebook integration in the phone because I can choose to use it or not.
I can't see a Facebook account becoming mandatory in order to use iOS. Apple is not stupid. They know that many people don't trust Facebook. Why would they want to alienate a certain percentage of their customer base who does not trust Facebook?
I don't see any reason why Facebook integration in iOS would be any different than Twitter integration is in iOS currently. You can sign in to your Twitter account to enable integration; but you can also just use third-party Twitter apps and never sign in on the system level if you don't want to.
I don't see any reason why Facebook integration in iOS would be any different than Twitter integration is in iOS currently. You can sign in to your Twitter account to enable integration; but you can also just use third-party Twitter apps and never sign in on the system level if you don't want to.
I believe this is the instant messaging convo where the "dumb f__ks" line came from. It was when Facebook was still at Harvard, but again not that long ago. When the CEO has this kind of thinking, you know what kind of corporate environment he has created.
I agree with you except in one point.
Twitter news feeds are actually quite good. For example industry specific news feeds or news feeds from scientific conferences can be very informative and fast. You get the headlines and usually a link to read up on what's interesting. The private posts on twitter or the posts from stars are usually completely dumb. And I never post anything there myself.
You haven't been reading this thread. Facebook doesn't need you to sign in to an account. They keep profiles on people built purely on data-mining and the information supplied by other members. The only difference is the profile can't be viewed on their website.
I don't believe Apple is going to give people a way to say "Block ALL COMMUNICATION with Facebook" as an iOS preference. Facebook will get info from signed-in users linked to their profile, and they'll gather "annonymous statistics" from everyone else, which will quickly get linked to the shadow profile of that user once you've done enough surfing to favorite websites, visiting profile pages of online forums and other social networking sites, and other online activities for their datamining to determine who you are by comparing against cookies they may have on computers you also use.
This has already been covered in the business with the iOS "device identifier" number thing. It's supposed to be anonymous but it's not really because once an app developer collects enough information linked to it they can tell who you are.
Why this isn't an issue with the already-existent Twitter integration? I'll quote another poster here:
I'm on Facebook and Twitter daily and I am mostly posting text and pictures of things that I have done. Just because some don't doesn't mean they would do something without these social networks. It's just a reflection of what most people do to begin with.
I am not ideologically opposed to people writing short messages about their lives. It's just that it's barely functional. I have to read everything in reverse order because the newest tweets are at the top and the context is below.
It's pointlessly difficult to follow a conversation because the replies are not all shown on one page. I have to tab back and forth between two people's Twitter feeds. To be fair they did try to fix this with the 'view conversation' feature, but it doesn't always work, since not everyone clicks the reply button. Why couldn't they have just made nested replies like Disqus comments?
There's also the naked emperor of privacy. While a lot of people hate Facebook's privacy, it is at least capable of stopping certain people from seeing certain things. Meanwhile on Twitter, everything you Tweet is visible to the entire internet. How is that better? I know you might say that you don't share personal information on Twitter because it's not meant to replace Facebook. But then why do we get people like this -
- saying just that?
There is literally no such thing as a private message on Twitter. On the other hand Facebook virtually killed instant messaging by making its private message system update in real time. Facebook has become the primary way of getting in touch with people I know whose phone numbers I don't have. Can the same be said of Twitter?
Lastly I tried not to mention the 140 characters in this rant (because it's such an easy attack, and has plenty of counter arguments). But I feel people come across as dumber when they have to communicate in one-liners. I don't understand why it's so popular, or why there is a whole category of apps for interfacing with this simple website.
Explain this again? That makes no sense
Go click Find Friends on Twitter and see if it's not asking you for access to your contacts.
Go look at how Twitter makes money off Promoted Accounts. They're basically monitoring what you talk about and who you follow and drive ads to you based on that information.
This is the same thing FB does to monetize ads except instead of scanning your tweets they're scanning your timeline.
False, Steve would have given FB, he "permitted" twitter in and the only reason we didn't get FB, a vastly more popular and wanted interaction" was because FB didn't want to bend to Apple's rules. But at this point FB has no choice. If it turns out they aren't in iPhone, the stock holders will be mad and possibly kick Zuckerberg to the curb. Some already want to given what happened to them.
Again, if you don't want FB on you iPhone, 2 options. Don't update to iOS 6 or the iPhone5. or option 2, simply don't sign in.
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You can, just don't sign in....