iOS 6 Users on Devices Able to Run iOS 7 Must Upgrade to Fix FaceTime

[MyopicPaideia]

Look I have and iPhone 5 so I am not in iOS6 but my opinion is whith those who do not want to update.

Yesterday there was Facetime in iOS6, today is not working and I haven't change anything. Who broke Facetime?¿ Any clues? ;P

Come on, Apple fix some things and broke Facetime in iOS 6 and ask everybody to upgrade to IOS 7. Really ? The most advanced company in software can't solve this, right? It is a shame and I support everybody who does not want iOS7, even if for me or you is the best choice.

For example, my mother would be better with her iPhone4 in iOS6, the flat design does not help her.

Some people are arguing about security bugs and holes, well if there is already 80% of people using iOS7, I am pretty sure hackers have already move to iOS7 as it is know that they would target much more devices than iOS 6. Maybe they exploit both of them but who knows, maybe they don't even care for iOS6 now.

Apple didn't break FaceTime. Apple patched a known security flaw in 6.1.5 with 6.1.6. Those that have devices for which Apple actively supports 7 with have had this patch applied with 7.0.4. 7.1 and 7.1.1 have been released since as well.

FaceTime most probably relies on the certificate that tells the app whether or not the latest security update has been applied. When FaceTime is notified that an old certificate is being registered that indicates that the system is insecure and vulnerable to attack and refuses to connect. The solution is to update your software to apply the security patch. Pretty sure FaceTime isn't working for those on 7.0.1 either, and I am pretty sure the solution is to update the software. Do they have a choice to go only to 7.0.4? No, they have to go to 7.1.1 immediately. And is this headline news on Macrumors? Of course not.

I am also pretty sure FaceTime is working on devices unable to update to 7 because Apple provided 6.1.6 to fix the security issue with 6.1.5. The only people this effects are those that stubbornly choose to stay on 6.1.5 and continue to try to access the internet with a gaping hole in the security of their connections.

There is only one device in Apple's line-up that this might affect that was never sold as brand new shipping with iOS 7, and that is the iPhone 4. The 4S still sells brand new today and ships with 7, and the iPad 2 also sold brand new shipped with 7 before it was discontinued. Apple was satisfied that the user experience was at a level that they could stand behind it, and from using both my own iPhone 4S and iPad 2's on 7.1.1 currently I can concur with their judgement on the matter.

Is is slower than on the latest hardware? Yes, but is that not logically expected? Apple have been able to pretty much double the performance of their devices with every iteration, which is astounding. I fully understand those that argue that they want to stay due to performance issues, but there is a trade off between Apple including as many devices as possible in the latest versions of their software, and slight performance issues. They are trying to make as many people happy as they can. This is in stark contrast to other manufacturers, such as Samsung to take a large competitor, that leaves the customer completely on their own when it come to major version software updates. If you would like to be left alone and update your device on your own, Android is a good choice for you. Would those that are taking issue to this be more or less satisfied if Apple instead denied you the possibility of updating to the latest software because your device is 1, 2, or 3 years old??

The point is, there is a perfectly acceptable solution for 99.99999% of the users out there, and for those that freely choose not to utilize that solution it is their choice, and Apple doesn't have any obligation, legal or moral, to offer a different one.

To your other point - if I was a hacker and I was able to use a known security flaw with a known method of attack, that would always be my first target. Why the hell would I spend time and energy trying to find new weaknesses in a new OS when I can simply exploit one I already know about, and I know for a fact that there are still users out there boldly running that OS?

 

[diegogaja]

I actually used Siri, the third-party app, on my iPhone 4 or limited time. It was nothing more than voice activated search with limited utility compared to what Apple did with it.

After Apple purchased the app, they pulled it from the App Store, later expanding it's capability greatly and integrating it into the iPhone at the OS level.

So while there was a third party app called Siri that you could use on the 4, the integrated, more powerful Apple Siri was never available on the 4.

It's debatable as to whether performance would have suffered if it was but we won't ever know that for sure.

The OS feature Siri was never available in the iPhone 4.

Yes it's a question of semantics but in this case makes a huge difference.

Siri was an app for the iPhone 4. Then Apple purchased the company, pulled the app and only made it available for the iPhone 4S. They then used the excuse that the iphone 4 wouldnt be able to run Siri - despite it originally being an app running on the iphone 4.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/th...ets-pulled-from-the-app-store-servers-killed/

 

[MyopicPaideia]

Just stand your ground. Do NOT update to ios 7.

Apple can add services but cannot take them away. There will be a class action and the customers will win. Probably won't take long for facetime to be restored to ios 6 because Apple will fold.

Apple losing $350M in a patent suit over facetime is NOT its customers' faults. It's going to learn that the hard way if it wants to.

Tim Cook is the typical uncreative American executive. All bottom line. Can't agree with SusanK better.

First I don't see what the FaceTime patent has to do with this issue. FaceTime works for everyone except those still wanting to remain on 6.1.5. Apple has not taken any services away. Stand your ground all you want there is no basis for a law suit as Apple provides a cost free and simple solution to the security problem in 6.1.5 that has the side effect of disabling an insecure internet connection, something FaceTime relies on and thus does not work with other devices that are secure.

 

[scaredpoet]

Those were ALL terrible products.

That's your opinion. Which incidentally, I happen to share, but at the time there actually wasn't much of anything better, so people used them anyway.

iOS 6 was a stellar OS.

Again, your opinion. Which incidentally, I also share, but I also feel that iOS7 is superior. You may disagree, and that's fine, but if you want to keep iOS6 on a device that can run iOS 7, you'll have to say goodbye to FaceTime. And I suspect other features will eventually follow as on-board security certificates start expiring for them, too.

Sure, it was visually outdated and had a ton of (bad) skeumorphic cues, but it ran a hell of a lot better than ANY device running iOS 7 atm (an iPhone 5 on 6 will smoke any 5S on 7).

I disagree with you there. But, we can argue all we want, and none of it negates my point: iOS 6, just like iOS 7 and Android and Windows phone and lots of other mobile OSes, require a "cloud" or an infrastructure behind it. The presence of that cloud, or that cloud's continued, infinite support, has never been guaranteed. Using those features has an inherent risk that they will stop working one day. It could be a hundred years from now, or it could be today, but it will eventually happen.

It just so happened that due to a security certificate expiring (as they do, this is not unique to Apple), the bell tolled for FaceTime on anything running iOS 6.1.5 or older. Want it back? Gotta install that free upgrade. That's the way it is.

 

[HenryDJP]

On the flip side, neither do you.

So what's your point?

I didn't make a claim other than to call you out over that nonsense you posted.....unless you have proof of that ridiculous claim? Yeah I didn't think so.

 

[diegogaja]

Well, I guess the fact that the apple store near you isn't busy MUST be proof that the entire company is in decline.

Just out of curiosity, what city do you live in?

Does anyone expect a groundbreaking product each year?

No lines here at Apple Store since the Steve's death. Sorry. Actually, you could roll a bowling ball in the store nearest me and not incur a liability. Interestingly enough when I have visited I was greeted with the comment that the store was very busy. If it was I would have seen a lot of people.

Previously at Apple you had to breathe up and down instead of in and out. Now there are a few people. The "very busy" comment is the standard greeting.

 

[scaredpoet]

When was the last time you saw people lined up outside an Apple Store?

Actually, November 2013, when the iPad Air came out.

The lines do eventually dissipate of course, but that has a lot to do with the fact that online ordering has gotten better. The biggest, longest lines were back when Apple had really bad management of in-store purchases for new products, and even worse methods for purchasing online.

The lines still form in the morning for new products, but around !0:00 am, Apple tells people that there won't be any more sold. So, people go home because there's no point in standing in line, allowing for people who have other reasons to visit the store to do so.

So, sorry, but your perceived absence of lines out the door has nothing do with Apple's performance (which by the way, has been freaking spectacular, in case you ignored that, which I'm sure you have).

Bottom line. Innovation died with Steve. Apple must obsolete hardware quickly to sell more. No other way to move product.

You're wrong on this, but let's just assume you're right. The problem then, will solve itself. If no one cares to use Apple products anymore, then no one has a need for FaceTime. So all of this complaining is over nothing then.

I'm not defending this practice. Just saying it's Cook's only shot. Apple wants numbers. Customers are incidental.

Assuming again that you're right (which you aren't), what happened with FaceTime does nothing to further Tim Cook's alleged strategy. People are not being forced to buy new hardware or services. The upgrade to iOS 7 is free to all affected by this FaceTime issue.

 

[SusanK]

My bad, did not know it was available on the App Store. Considering the time frame I would imagine that was something approved by Steve Jobs. Unless the Jobs apologists claim he was too sick to know what he was approving.

Steve died the day after Cook's lackluster presentation of the 4S. Steve's death was the top of the news and took the pressure off Cook for the last time.

Your comment about Steve being too sick? Why don't you take your mean a$$ to hospice. Volunteer, but leave your attitude at home. People with end stage terminal illnesses are very ill. Organs have failed, systems failed, the body is full of toxins. People don't die from nothing, you fool!!!

Your antipathy toward Steve is your issue. You own it. Enjoy it!

Try to have some human (fake it) compassion for the many people who currently are in the throes of serious illness. Have some compassion for people who are caregivers for loved ones in that state of declining health. Have some compassion for people who have lost loved ones to serious illness.

This may come as a huge surprise to you but there are things in life more difficult than developing software for the current as well as the previous operating system of anything. End stage disease is one.

 

[thekeyring]

What did Jony do that was innovative when Steve was gone in the 80/90's?

I have no idea. But we know from Steve's biography that design came second in those days, and it doesn't now.

 

[mtneer]

Apple should go on a defined hardware rental model. Design the hardware to brick out at the end of defined life and force users to buy a new one. That's one way to deal with holdouts and languishers..

Price upto $100: 6 month timer
$101 - 500: 12 months
$501 - 900: 18 months
$901 - 1199: 24 months
$1200 - 1800: 32 months
$1801+: 36 months

 

[SusanK]

Well, I guess the fact that the apple store near you isn't busy MUST be proof that the entire company is in decline.

Just out of curiosity, what city do you live in?

The three stores near me are the three stores near me. No more, no less.

The area is north east Ohio. Stores are in Woodmere, Westlake and Akron.

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Actually, November 2013, when the iPad Air came out.

The lines do eventually dissipate of course, but that has a lot to do with the fact that online ordering has gotten better. The biggest, longest lines were back when Apple had really bad management of in-store purchases for new products, and even worse methods for purchasing online.

The lines still form in the morning for new products, but around !0:00 am, Apple tells people that there won't be any more sold. So, people go home because there's no point in standing in line, allowing for people who have other reasons to visit the store to do so.

I stopped in on launch day to see the iPad Air. I visited in mid afternoon. There was plenty of stock. No shortages. I was very impressed with the hardware. Stock was plentiful. No one was turned away.

I am aware of the earnings call Wednesday.

 

[RedOrchestra]

Apple should go on a defined hardware rental model. Design the hardware to brick out at the end of defined life and force users to buy a new one. That's one way to deal with holdouts and languishers..

Price upto $100: 6 month timer
$101 - 500: 12 months
$501 - 900: 18 months
$901 - 1199: 24 months
$1200 - 1800: 32 months
$1801+: 36 months

Yeah, that's a solid business plan - where'd you get your MBA from?

 

[odedia]

it is not, by any means slow or crashes on 4S. and if you disable the pretty animations it's even faster than that, although 7.1 introduced much faster animations and it works almost flawlessly. you can't expect an almost 3 years old phone perform the same with 2 major upgrades. it has an a5 chip. we're at a7 now. Does this really needs to be explained? It's a LITTLE slower, but it's very, very, very much usable and a pleasure to use. Is my 2007 iMac slower with mavericks than my MBA 2012? OF COURSE IT IS, but having an ssd in both, the iMac is very, very usable and it's pretty fast i'd say. Not AS fast, but still fast.

Actually, that's where you're wrong.

Every new version of OS X IMPROVED performance on older hardware.
Every version iOS until version 6 IMPROVED performance on older hardware (I had the original iPhone, a 3GS and a 4S)

The problem I have is that iOS 7 actually includes LESS in terms of animations, which you would assume to be easier on the processor. 7.1 does improve things, but my phone crashes constantly, even after starting from 0 and deleting all my old data.

I hope iOS 8 would be better. That's all.

 

[HKZ/MST3K]

To be fair, a lot of the nonsense spouted in here is because of what I said above.

There is no "to be fair" to be said, what that person said was demonstrably false.

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I just don't get it... iOS7 is better in all facets across the board. I can't think of 1 single thing that is better in iOS6. The only thing that is subjective are the icons, but even those are better now after the 7.1 update.

Well, iOS 6 didn't have the camera not focusing bug (which I'm going to an Apple store in about 20 minutes to get fixed), and it didn't have the bug where syncing your phone turned into a marathon wait of three to four hours for "waiting for changes to be applied" to end. Oh, and I forgot about the fact that music doesn't sync correctly, or at all, between iOS 7 and iTunes 11. Not to mention that if you sync with iTunes 11 while running iOS 7 the App Store gets all screwed up and you have to delete all entries in the Media/Downloads folder or you will never be able to complete an app purchase or any updates. iOS 7 is riddled with stupid bugs, and I'm on an iPhone 5S! It is NOT better is all facets, it's fundamentally broken in ways that make it literally unusable.

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I guess you decided to ignore the fact that you can easily turn off the transparency in order to make your point which is a fail.

It still chugs on my iPad 3 with all that unnecessary crap turned off. The entire UI chugs and almost every app is quite a bit slower that it was on iOS 6. Thanks to Apple being a bunch of jerks, I can't go back to iOS 6. Forcing people to stay on the version you want to you can make stupid boasts at a presentation, user adoption numbers for iOS 7, just pisses me off.

 

[beltzak]

It is not at all the same thing. The security hole in iOS6 is real, widely known, and affects the basic security method of connecting to the Internet. Letting your mother continue to use an operating system with that kind of security hole is totally irresponsible.

Again, I understand that this is frustrating to folks, but we also need to remember that Apple has always been relatively ruthless when it comes to forward progress and leaving legacy hardware and software behind. Their mobile platform is where all the rapid development is now happening, and they have made the corporate decision that they would rather look forward than backwards. If that doesn't agree with you, I'd suggest a different platform.

For Apple and many of its customers though it feels great to be finally freed from the shackles of legacy compatibility. How long has Microsoft dragged its feet in REALLY updating Windows? Businesses and customers complained that they couldn't adapt for so long that it has nearly taken the company down. The only way for Apple to really remain competitive in the fast moving mobile market is to remain free enough of legacy constraints that they can move, and change direction rapidly. Offering consumers 'choice' when it comes to the OS version they update to would completely undermine that strategy.

You are right but you are missing some points.

She only has whatsapp, peaks and google maps installed in the phone. She does not buy anything over internet, she does not connect to any bank account in the internet. In the end, she does not have any real data on the phone as you and I may have .

Also she is using and iPad 1 with all the security issues Not a problem for Apple to fix those idevices so "old" and still a perfectly device to browse the internet.

What I really hate is some fanboys that do not respect others peoples like and freedom of choice. I hope there are a lot of children in this forum ;P if not our world is doomed

 

[beltzak]

They can, and they do, and not just on Apple products. But fortunately, this isn't an issue of a feature going away for good. You can update your software and regain the feature.



It's not known, because it's not true, and absolutely never guaranteed when a service requires infrastructure outside of your local hardware to function. FaceTime and anything iCloud happens to be such a case: if Apple for any reason decides to end the service, or even if it deliberately chooses to discontinue supporting older hardware, or if they happen to go out of business tomorrow, then that's that. A lot of iOS features will stop working, and the functionality of your device will be greatly reduced.

And again, Apple is not the only one. Try getting an old 1980s cellular phone to work on today's cell networks. Spoiler: it won't. There were lots of videophiles who bought into the notion of DIVX as a home video rental format. Those discs are now useless.

There are lots of examples where produts that rely on services to function have stopped working even though the hardware is perfectly fine. T-Mobile's sidekick, the Helio Ocean, and Microsoft Kin are all products that don't fit your ideal of the features lasting forever. there are many more out there, and the list will continue to grow.

Even on a more basic level, this is a problem. Your computer and iDevices all rely on your ISP and cell carriers agreeing to support your device with specific standards. If they choose to go with different technology (and they will, eventually) those devices WILL lose access to the internet. Film cameras may still exist 30 years from now, but there's no guarantee that there will still be film to take pictures with. Someday, maybe decades from now, the car you drive may no longer work even if you manage to maintain it in pristine condition, all because we've run out of fossil fuel.

Fortunately though, this isn't one of those cases. Update your OS, and FaceTime comes back.

Ok, you are pushing too hard

If you bought say an iPhone 5 in June 2013 ... You would have iOS6 I think so, that would make your iPhone 11 months. And If you bought only to use Facetime and without updating your OS, Facetime should be working right know. And if Apple goes bankrupt you may have a point but if not, I asure you that here in Europe you will win the case pretty easily, because you bought with that feature. Apple may choose not to fix it but it will have to give your all the money you spent in that device.

So I think I am not talking about a 1980 device working in todays carriers, so please do not exagerate things so much ;P

It happened with Sony and their OS support of Linux. They lost the case here and had to pay 90€ (I think) all the people that sue them. And I do not really remember but I think it was way of out the warranty period.

And again, I do not understand why most of the people blame here the Users who do not want to upgrade. It is Apple who broke the Facetime support in a perfectly capable OS that in some cases it could be less than 1 year. And they have pretty much a lot of money to fix this nonsense issue.

Have a nice day.

 

[beltzak]

Apple didn't break FaceTime. Apple patched a known security flaw in 6.1.5 with 6.1.6. Those that have devices for which Apple actively supports 7 with have had this patch applied with 7.0.4. 7.1 and 7.1.1 have been released since as well.

FaceTime most probably relies on the certificate that tells the app whether or not the latest security update has been applied. When FaceTime is notified that an old certificate is being registered that indicates that the system is insecure and vulnerable to attack and refuses to connect. The solution is to update your software to apply the security patch. Pretty sure FaceTime isn't working for those on 7.0.1 either, and I am pretty sure the solution is to update the software. Do they have a choice to go only to 7.0.4? No, they have to go to 7.1.1 immediately. And is this headline news on Macrumors? Of course not.

I am also pretty sure FaceTime is working on devices unable to update to 7 because Apple provided 6.1.6 to fix the security issue with 6.1.5. The only people this effects are those that stubbornly choose to stay on 6.1.5 and continue to try to access the internet with a gaping hole in the security of their connections.

There is only one device in Apple's line-up that this might affect that was never sold as brand new shipping with iOS 7, and that is the iPhone 4. The 4S still sells brand new today and ships with 7, and the iPad 2 also sold brand new shipped with 7 before it was discontinued. Apple was satisfied that the user experience was at a level that they could stand behind it, and from using both my own iPhone 4S and iPad 2's on 7.1.1 currently I can concur with their judgement on the matter.

Is is slower than on the latest hardware? Yes, but is that not logically expected? Apple have been able to pretty much double the performance of their devices with every iteration, which is astounding. I fully understand those that argue that they want to stay due to performance issues, but there is a trade off between Apple including as many devices as possible in the latest versions of their software, and slight performance issues. They are trying to make as many people happy as they can. This is in stark contrast to other manufacturers, such as Samsung to take a large competitor, that leaves the customer completely on their own when it come to major version software updates. If you would like to be left alone and update your device on your own, Android is a good choice for you. Would those that are taking issue to this be more or less satisfied if Apple instead denied you the possibility of updating to the latest software because your device is 1, 2, or 3 years old??

The point is, there is a perfectly acceptable solution for 99.99999% of the users out there, and for those that freely choose not to utilize that solution it is their choice, and Apple doesn't have any obligation, legal or moral, to offer a different one.

To your other point - if I was a hacker and I was able to use a known security flaw with a known method of attack, that would always be my first target. Why the hell would I spend time and energy trying to find new weaknesses in a new OS when I can simply exploit one I already know about, and I know for a fact that there are still users out there boldly running that OS?

Yes, everybody has a valid point, but " The only people this effects are those that stubbornly choose to stay on 6.1.5" they cannot update to 6.1.6 because the stubborn Apple do not let them to do it Only to the new shiny and glorius iOS7.

But as you already stated: "iPad 2 also sold brand new shipped with 7 before it was discontinued. Apple was satisfied that the user experience was at a level that they could stand behind it, and from using both my own iPhone 4S and iPad 2's on 7.1.1 currently I can concur with their judgement on the matter.

Is is slower than on the latest hardware? Yes"

Well I have and iPad 3 with iOS7.1.1 and I find almost beyond ridicolous that Apple has sold the iPad 2 almost 3 years later for 400€ and with iOS7 nonetheless. Maybe it was ok for you and I glad for you as well, but you cannot expect that everybody finds that OK. So the people who want their iPad 2 in iOS 6 are the stubborn ones. That is not fair. You already say so, it may be the performance or the look of the OS.

Could not Apple just offer the iOS 6.1.6 update to all the idevices that have iOS6 installed? Obviusly, yes. I am pretty sure Apple is being greedy again, no doubt.

Have a nice day.

 

[larrylaffer]

Apple at one time did release a point update to a previous version of Mac OS X. It was 10.4.11 and 10.5.1 on November 14th and 15th in 2007.

Right. Actually I don't think that's the only time they've done that. My point is that properly supporting the previously release of an OS is expected from users, as well it should be.

 

[deviant]

Actually, that's where you're wrong.

Every new version of OS X IMPROVED performance on older hardware.
Every version iOS until version 6 IMPROVED performance on older hardware (I had the original iPhone, a 3GS and a 4S)

The problem I have is that iOS 7 actually includes LESS in terms of animations, which you would assume to be easier on the processor. 7.1 does improve things, but my phone crashes constantly, even after starting from 0 and deleting all my old data.

I hope iOS 8 would be better. That's all.

Every new system tells that it's improved speed and stuff like that. But every new system needs new hardware to use those technologies that improve the speed of the system. You know, like more cores, faster memory, new disks. I remember buying iMac in 2007 and running tiger. Everything was instantaneous. INSTANTANEOUS. Fast forward - Mountain Lion. Clean install. PAINFULLY SLOW, yet, on newer computers it was good. I bought an SSD and put it in my iMac, installed mavericks and BOOM, it became just like Tiger was. But tiger was running on a simple HDD. So, you see, newer system can't be always more complex, more beautiful and well designed and run even FASTER then old system were running on old hardware. If that was the case, NOBODY would EVER buy a new computer. Why buying something new if you can keep it for 10 years and as YOU SAY it actually becomes faster than slower? Really? Seriously flawed logic you have there

 

[Menneisyys2]

The idea that Apple purposely puts code in new software updates aimed at making older devices slower is simply ludicrous.

Look, I won't argue with you - I just don't have the time and have already done a thousand times on this board. Let me just state that the iOS6 runtime simply doesn't have as many new features compared to iOS5 as, say, iOS5 compared to iOS4. Still, the speed of the 3GS "mysteriously" decreased with the switch to iOS6. Surely "because" of the new features of iOS6, oh yes.

In fact, the opposite is true. Apple goes to great lengths to ensure that the newer software runs acceptably on as many devices as possible and has a track record of being by far the number 1 mobile manufacturer for supporting older devices.

Actually, MANY 3GS users were (would have been) more than happy if they could stay with iOS5 without being forced to upgrade. Which, again, rendered their previously perfectly working, speedy phone pretty slow. The same stands for the iPhone 3G and its absolutely useless iOS4 upgrade.

In many respects, Apple's forced upgrades are more of a disadvantage for the end users as those render these expensive phones pretty much useless. Surely not because Apple wants these people to purchase new models, oh yes...

 

[applesith]

I wish I had never upgraded my iPhone 4s. I get about 2/3rds the battery life under iOS7. YES - Everything is turned off, multiple complete wipes both restore and totally pristine. I can understand people avoiding it like the plague.

But you sound like one with your nose up in the air - Since it doesn't effect me, it's not a problem - Right?

Yup, my phone works fine with iOS7 including battery life.

 

[nocturnum]

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[/COLOR]Just out of curiosity...what's wrong with the wallpapers color etc that you couldn't fix yourself manually?[/QUOTE]


I wasn't referring to wallpapers themselves, just the specific place in the menus that should incorporate the saturation settings for iOS (icons, apps ..).

 

[melendezest]

I find it incredibly amusing that by merely being a company, there are people who act as if any action it takes should be seen as sinister and calculated, and should be resisted.

Sorry, there is no sinister plot here. Security certificates expire after a while. They're designed to... it's part of what keeps them secure. And unfortunately, installing new certificates requires installing new software.

So you have two choices: install the new software, or don't use FaceTime.

iOS devices are infrastructure-dependent; they need a cloud supporting them for all the features to work. MOST smartphones and tablets are this way. And those clouds require up-to-date software. The more out of date the OS is, the more problems you'll end up having with apps not working and features going away. IF you''re the type who would rather let your software stagnate, then these devices are not for you.



And you lost the argument the moment you started quoting badly written 1990s SciFi.

Security certificates can be renewed. Period. That Apple doesn't want to put in the work to do this is the controversial issue at hand.

And in regards to my quote, truth is truth regardless of its source. As expected, the apologists rush in to "protect the system".

So, still amused.

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IMHO that quote is more applicable to the people who don't want to upgrade...

Hahaha, interesting reversal.

Touche', my friend.

But the system I refer to is Apple's policies, and how folks rush in to justify and defend them no matter what, without empathy to other's experience...

 

[Lionel Messi]

Tim cook at WWDC: "We've had an 100% adoption rate of iOS 7"

waw mani lykes

 

[B4U]

Class action lawsuit in 3, 2, 1...

(Count me in when that happens)

On the other hand, those who think they have authority to tell me what to do and they can make decisions for me are welcomed to move to any dictatorship country.
I believe in freedom and choices are in the USA where this time Apple had screwed up.