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Can't create free software that's actually good enough to compel people to voluntarily upgrade to? Solution: Break the version they stayed with.

A big F U right from Apple's own mouth. When was the last time that Apple so directly disrespected its customers?
I'm struggling to recall their service ever being so poor. Just offer the fix you created to iOS 6!

How is Apple being disrespectful to customers?
 
I know a girl who is still on iOS 5 (iPhone 4) because her friend jailbroke it for her and she's never bothered to update it.

Wonder if iOS 5 is having issues too.
 
If your devices can't be upgraded to iOS 7, chances are it doesn't support FaceTime anyway because there's no front facing cam, or at least this is true for the 3GS. So Apple is pretty much just telling you to update to iOS 7.

On one hand, people should just upgrade. On the other hand, Apple actually killed a functionality that your phone originally came with and you paid for. There could be a class action lawsuit here.

This would be thrown out of a court. Apple didn't kill a functionality that the phone originally came with. They are offering customers a free software upgrade to fix the issue. That's like saying people can sue Microsoft because the latest version of Windows has a security flaw or BSOD issue. It's technology. Update it.

Yeah, yeah, people don't like iOS7 for whatever reason. Get over it or buy a new Android/Windows8 device, because this design language seems like it is here to stay.
 
I loved iOS 7 as soon as I saw it, so always found it difficult to empathize with those who hate it. I now find the previous icons almost painful to behold. When they pop up in TV shows, they make the whole show feel outdated. That old FaceTime icon for example is monstrous.
 
I loved iOS 7 as soon as I saw it, so always found it difficult to empathize with those who hate it. I now find the previous icons almost painful to behold. When they pop up in TV shows, they make the whole show feel outdated. That old FaceTime icon for example is monstrous.

This is highly irrelevant to anything ._.
 
Never had a use for FaceTime so this doesn't affect me. The lack of a courtesy notification from Apple does surprise me though. A simple notice to customers stating FT would no longer be available for iOS6 users starting on xx/xx/2014 would have gone a long way towards preemptively addressing customer concerns.

An old saying comes to mind, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
 
When has apple is dropping support of a feature that has no problem working on an OS? The disrespect comes from "if you like iOS 6, you're screwed"

iOS 6 is not a product. iOS itsself is a product, and has been updated. How is an update disrespectful?
 
Or as I said, people who don't like the changes. Don't break something that is feasibly fixable and force people to update to features that you don't like.

Nobody broke anything. A certificate had an expiry date. All certificates do. Those affected have insisted on using devices with old, expired certificates.

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. The solution is FREE to anyone that wants it. It may not be the solution that you're after, but that's why you have a choice not to upgrade and accept the consequences. Apple owes you nothing.

Actually, I might add that my 5s battery life sucks after the last update, so yeah, there are reasons to not update.

You might want to check things like Background App Refresh, and if Bluetooth is enabled unnecessarily. Also, any apps that you leave running will have an impact, regardless of whether you are actively using them or not.

It is *extremely* easy to manage these issues on your phone. You just need to do it.

1) Turn off wireless radios that you don't need. "Swipe Up-Tap", that's it.

2) Quit apps that you're not using. "Double-click, Swipe Up", that's it.
 
Thats the thing, there arent bugs. Why does a service that worked for the past 6 months just suddenly not work anymore? Apple is forcing people. If facetime didnt work on ANY device running iOS6, then it would be reasonable.

There's an expiration date on certificates. Just like the milk you buy, it expires.
 
iOS 6 is not a product. iOS itsself is a product, and has been updated. How is an update disrespectful?

The disrespect comes from the forcing of an upgrade to keep an existing feature. Such an example would be AT&T dropping support for phone calls on a flip phone, if you want to make a phone call come get a free smartphone, it leaves flip phone users without option if they want to keep their flip phone.

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There's an expiration date on certificates. Just like the milk you buy, it expires.

By this logic, why was facetime on iOS4 and 5 still working long into the release of iOS6 and 7, there is no realistic reason to abandon support/renew a certificate. ESPECIALLY only for users who CAN upgrade their device. So devices that cant upgrade can still use the certificate? Explain because Im not sure how it works
 
I would upgrade to iOS 7, the problem however is that iOS 7 uses pixel dithering which hurts my eyes. iOS 6 does not use dithering, at least not in native apps. I hope there will be a solution for affected users.

Spread the word so Apple get aware of this problem.
 
Thats the thing, there arent bugs. Why does a service that worked for the past 6 months just suddenly not work anymore? Apple is forcing people. If facetime didnt work on ANY device running iOS6, then it would be reasonable.
I knew adding bugs would be a bad idea ha, nonetheless still vulnerable to security risks.

I understand you like iOS 6, but honestly I just feel like people are being far too stubborn. Apples job is to keep their software updated and they're doing just that. It's YOUR choice to not update to iOS 7. Sure they could roll out a new iOS 6 update, but why would they?? iOS 7 is their latest version, they're not gonna back track. If you want continued service, then you have to update.. if you want to stick with old thats fine, but you can't expect them to keep it supported.. seriously, are you gonna just stick with iOS 6 forever? do you have high hopes they're gonna go back to it... because they're not going to.

Honestly, have you given iOS 7 a try?? Not just used someones phone briefly, but actually tried it out for a few weeks (more importantly, 7.1). Besides how it looks, its not vastly different then what you're used to.
 
6 is still supported as long as you're on the latest point release
if you kept it at original release to jail break then it's your problem and apple has no duty to support you

Voice of reason....just update to 6.1.6 and you will be fine or go to 7
 
Because you need to move on with your lives. Eventually iOS 6 will be virtually non-existent and you will have to get used to it at some point unless you want to switch to Android...

Even if they dont want to, but they'd get better respect from their companies ._.
 
I have upgraded. I like iOS 7. I just appreciate that many people don't. I feel people have a right to buy a device and use the very same firmware it came with without loss of features. I also expect updates for older OSs to continue to fix bugs and improve security. Unfortunately Apple do nothing but ditch their previous software and then remove services to make it hard do achieve tasks that you could do when you first bought the device.

Whereas I wouldn't expect Apple to support services for iOS 6 forever, the removal of them is far far too premature. Even more premature than the removal of the iTunes Store in iTunes 9.

If I recall, 6.1.6 came out the last week of February this year, so barely two months ago. I would say that those expected updates you mention have in fact continued. It was released only for those devices that were not capable of upgrading to iOS 7. There are only two devices that are capable of running iOS 6 but not iOS 7 (correct me if I'm wrong, please), and that would be the 3GS and the 4th gen Touch. The 4th gen Touch (again, correct me if I'm wrong) is the only one of these two devices with a front camera, right? All other devices that were supported in 6 will find their continued support in 7. The fact that the 3GS got a software update in February of 2014 is actually pretty damn good if you ask me.

So really, there are no devices that are not capable of fixing this issue, because Apple has a software update to support FaceTime on ALL DEVICES CAPABLE OF RUNNING THE APP.
 
I'm on an iPad 2 and it runs fine. Just update to 7.1 and it'll run better

The iPad 2 is on the older, low-resolution panel. It will always perform better than the iPad 3 when it comes to animations/transitions because it's pushing fewer pixels. The poor performance of the iPad 3 hardware was addressed, what, 8 months later when they released the lightning cable version with better processors.
 
Nobody broke anything. A certificate had an expiry date. All certificates do. Those affected have insisted on using devices with old, expired certificates.

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. The solution is FREE to anyone that wants it. It may not be the solution that you're after, but that's why you have a choice not to upgrade and accept the consequences. Apple owes you nothing.



You might want to check things like Background App Refresh, and if Bluetooth is enabled unnecessarily. Also, any apps that you leave running will have an impact, regardless of whether you are actively using them or not.

It is *extremely* easy to manage these issues on your phone. You just need to do it.

1) Turn off wireless radios that you don't need. "Swipe Up-Tap", that's it.

2) Quit apps that you're not using. "Double-click, Swipe Up", that's it.


Yes, the solution to my battery doesn't last as long after updating is: Change the way I use my phone!

This is exactly the kind of arrogance my earlier post was addressing. Quit being apologists. Apple ****s up and we should take them to task for it, it will improve their products. As long as people just roll on over, they see no reason to listen to customers.

I have iOS7, outside the battery life and the contact pictures, I don't have complaints, but ****, don't express an opinion that you're not happy with something around here.

This is a typical exchange:

No iTunes extras on appleTV3? Well, just buy a new one when they announce it has that functionality, they have no need to add a link to like a whole other stream to your account! The problem is you have high expectations!
 
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