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I was so happy to hear I've was going to take over. Hopefully he'll kill that stupid linen texture. It's time for a big change (home screens are really boring) and that's a great place to start.

I like the linen texture. It looks nice. Can't imagine why it would be offensive to anyone. The stitched leather of Find My Friends, or the faux casino look of Game Center..now THOSE are hideous.
 
Very, very disappointed at Apple.

I am just thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro with a retina display, for a high price tag. Or was thinking.

Once again, Apple is showing that iOS devices, these iToys, are more important than the real computers.

Nearly US$ 140 billion dollars in cash. Why Apple can't just hire new engineers to work on iOS 7? Why does it have to pull engineers from OS X 10.9? Isn't there enough money? Or perhaps enough engineers? I just can't figure out what the problem is.

People may complain about Microsoft and Windows 8, but at least Microsoft is putting a lot of effort in developing the new Windows Blue. But Apple couldn't care less about the Mac and OS X.
 
I'm soooooo excited for this. I really can't wait. Whether it's a major overhaul or not... If the feel of the OS is just as good as the feel of the hardware, it will be absolutely amazing.

Are you suggesting that the current feel of the OS is not up to standard?

In Mac OS X, the "feeling" of Safari to me is much better than Chrome, Firefox and Opera. I'm not sure what exactly gives it that unique feeling, but to me it just feels "right". The responsiveness of buttons, the appearance of control elements. I just prefer Safari over other browsers in that respect. So I understand that feeling is important in an OS, but back to your comment, are you waiting for an OS that feels right/better?
 
That is awesome.

"I'd like my device to be inherently insecure and vulnerable to attacks from the outside world, just so I can download and run free **** I don't want to pay for!".

That totally just made my day.

-SC

Hey look, another jailbreaking is doomed post.

Is your iPhone jailbroken? If not, you have no idea what you're missing out on.
It's way more than just piracy.
 
It doesn't make sense to me for a new iPad and/or iPhone to be released before an iOS 7 announcement. Why would there be two new iPads, including the 4th-gen, released in the same OS version number? Makes no sense knowing how Apple operates. If iOS 7 is running behind, that means no early announcement can come, so it would be pushed back to a WWDC unveiling, allowing Apple to announce some features and get a beta out in June while they fine-tune it and get it ready for a fall release. Again, releasing a new iPad 5 and an iPhone 5S, all-new products, on iOS 6 is ridiculous. For me, it sounds like new products won't be coming until the fall once again.
 
Hiring people = bozo explosion. One of the most underrated, un-talked about aspects of this company is keeping the bozo explosion from happening.

Better to have a small group of people that deliver, than to have a large group of bozos take over a proud company.
 
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Just bored of reading about how *insert user* is thinking/planning to switch to another platform in every new post/thread about iOS/iPhone. Just do it already and get it over with. #NoOffence.

i really don't care to be honest, i just felt like responding. usually i don't respond to wise@$$ snips like that but i felt compelled to. i'm no offended, no worries.

and FYI - this isn't twitter so no hashtag is needed
 
Very, very disappointed at Apple.

I am just thinking of buying a new MacBook Pro with a retina display, for a high price tag. Or was thinking.

Once again, Apple is showing that iOS devices, these iToys, are more important than the real computers.

Nearly US$ 140 billion dollars in cash. Why Apple can't just hire new engineers to work on iOS 7? Why does it have to pull engineers from OS X 10.9? Isn't there enough money? Or perhaps enough engineers? I just can't figure out what the problem is.

People may complain about Microsoft and Windows 8, but at least Microsoft is putting a lot of effort in developing the new Windows Blue. But Apple couldn't care less about the Mac and OS X.

Good software engineers are at a premium nowadays. Even at Microsoft.

Everybody wants an MBA instead.
 
If you're really having to pull engineerings from another project, isn't it time to hire some more engineers?
 
Let's jailbreak it.

Yes, let's. Get to work, evad3rs! I want a jailbreak within one month of iOS 7 release!

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I like the linen texture. It looks nice. Can't imagine why it would be offensive to anyone. The stitched leather of Find My Friends, or the faux casino look of Game Center..now THOSE are hideous.

I totally agree. Linen is beautiful.
 
Too late for me Apple. I'm jumping ship for the Galaxy S4.
So what's keeping holding you back? Got to love how people who no longer believe in Apple stick around the user sites proclaiming they are going elsewhere. I guess if we can hear you saying bye, you ain't gone.
 
I think this is fantastic news (if true) and i'm truly excited about what Apple comes up with here. I was going to jump ship to a Windows phone (Nokia) but i have changed my mind. I'm more than happy to wait for a UI refresh.
I'm gonna stick it out with my iPhone 4 now!
 
Good software engineers are at a premium nowadays. Even at Microsoft.

Everybody wants an MBA instead.

and we all know what happens when you staff your tech company full of MBA's....... HP...cough cough... LOL
 
I don't care. Just don't change the overall restrained nature of the OS. Yes, thats right, I wan't it to RESTRICTED. To keep everything efficient and intuitive. I'm not a 12 year old school kid that has the time to tinker around with the OS only to have an unreliable system when I need it most. I don't want to be paranoid about what 3rd party packages are being installed and accessing the hordes of highly confidential data on my phone.

Of course, posting this on most places on the internet would mean that I would be labelled technologically inept. Too bad im working towards a Comp Sci masters at a top 1% uni (what would I know about tech?). I think it would be a shock if some of these kids came here and realised that most of the people here that live and breathe code mostly use macs and iphones.

Were supposed to be impressed?:rolleyes:
 
Now THIS is a rumor! Jony Ive, we're ready for you to revolutionize software like you have done UNIVERSALLY in hardware design.
 
Meh I don't take anything seriously from a faboi such as Gruber. He's boring.

In fact he's implying that Apple is seriously mismanaged if Apple has to 'pull' engineers from OS X to iOS to finish something (as if throwing more engineers has ever helped solve a problem before - Apple did once do so in the past, but only in light of their surprise success of iOS... the success and importance of iOS is not an unknown factor at Apple today.. though in the imaginations of Gruber it is still 1997) :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly. I used to really like Gruber and listened to his podcast all the time but now I have just come to realize he's kind of an idiot who makes extremely obvious comments and predictions. He's just well known in the Mac world so everyone takes everything he says as the holy word. The same goes for Dalrymple.
 
BILLIONS of dollars and they can't hire more people?

It's been mentioned before, this isn't the answer. New hires take a long, LONG time to train and acclimate to your 'system' and to understand the vision and direction you're looking to move in. That said, some of the jail breaking community (the minds behind the j-breaks), the folks that dig for and find the exploits, some of the Cydia developers and programmers...I think this would be a brilliant move by Apple. Kills two birds...or maybe a half dozen with a single move. The j-break community is crippled as is the development crews that provide Cydia with the compelling apps that folks still feel the need to jailbreak. BUT, this also benefits those of us that don't jailbreak...and in my opinion, brings a fresh, young and brilliant new addition to the team responsible for iOS and iPhone development. They could probably add a lot of excellent ideas to the hardware division as well...some extremely talented design engineers are young, ambitious...and for a shot at working for Apple, a relative 'bargain' when it comes to pay and benefits


I don't care all that much about iOS, but I really really hope this means they release a proper version of OS X. The Lion's have been a major letdown, worse than Windows IMO.

Completely disagree. Mountain Lion is the best OS I've ever had the pleasure of using. Snow Leopard was exceptional...ML takes it to a new level. Absolutely NO comparison to the debacle called Windows 8. Windows 7 was excellent...WTH were they thinking with '8'?

Having been around several projects at software companies when they fall behind you almost always see people get shuffled off of less important projects. Engineers definitely help.

Maybe on the coding end...software and programming engineering. However, again...I don't think this is necessarily the case until the smallish crew of actual story board designers have done their job. At some point you've got to rely on a small team with excellent chemistry to pull of the 'design' of the OS itself. Too many cheifs, nothing gets accomplished. A democracy does not make a good product. That, again IMO is why Jonny Ive has been so successful in his hardware designs over the years. His team must be truly incredible with an awesome, almost family like chemistry. For every iPhone, iPad, iPod, et al that we see...there are dozens, if not hundreds of prototypes that didn't make the cut. It's got to take a ton of resolve to continue showing up to your job if YOUR design is routinely turned 'down' as the winner. Of course, different facets of each prototype is probably taken into consideration...Apple, regardless of your feelings on each device is a perennial champion of industrial design. They truly make functional 'art' IMO

I, for one, don't care either way both the linen etc. so long as no one is so obsessed with it that buggy crap gets released again

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...I think you are as I feel the same. Regardless of how 'stale' folks feel iOS has become, it's truly and absolutely as fluent, efficient and 'bug free' as any mobile OS in history. I'm 42 and I've been through almost a decade of Blackberry (mandated) corporate ownership. I enjoy both Android and iOS (currently own an iPhone 5 and Galaxy Note) and in between I bought into the Treo, Windows mobile and other wannabe smart phones. I've owned each iPhone iteration...and while the 'face' of the OS looks similar, it's guts have changed enormously. I still remember how happy I was with the original iPhone. 2g speeds and all. No apps. No cut n paste. No subsidized cost...but still, it was exactly like having a small PC in my pocket. From the App Store to cut n paste, 2g to LTE, the camera's maturation and iCloud. Exchange support and I said it earlier...the App Store. The iOS development community. The incredible selection of iOS apps that work, work well and are designed for each device appropriately. When it comes to our actual computers...the OS is a big deal, but most of us are using software not baked into the OS. It's third party. The OS is a foundation, a 'launch pad' if you will...that we rely on for stability so we can USE software reliably and efficiently without concern for data loss or instability. That, to me, is the number one 'pro' that iOS seems to continuously be overlooked because some don't like skeumorphism, the same row of icons (or now folders), or the traditional color theme and inability to customize your home screen. Many of the issues, in fact any issue I've ever had with my Android devices over the years have been due to apps that don't play well with either the specific phone or tablet manufacturer I'm using, the screen size/resolution or system 'apps' that F with the low level OS programming itself. Vetted apps that are ubiquitous across most systems; Evernote, Flipboard, even the Google offerings tend to be great. However, the third party support so prevalent in the iOS development sector isn't nearly as proficient on the Android platform. Blame it on fragmentation, the carriers, screen size and/or resolution....doesn't matter. To me, with the endless customizability of Android comes challenges...whether it be UI lag, piss poor battery life, random shut down or slow downs....just different problems that I never EVER run into on iOS. Part of me really hopes Apple isn't listening to the MR (super fans) with plans to ground up reprogram iOS. It doesn't need a total makeover like so many here suggest. Continued refinement, maybe opening up the sandbox a bit...so we can choose our default browser...system integration of quick settings and cross application compatibility...maybe a file 'vault'. Not necessarily an overly confusing file system, but a place any app can store their info and its accessible by other apps to dick with. I actually like some of the skeumorphic design choices, I was sad to see the reel to reels go away on Podcasts....these were 'cool' designs that are completely absent from baked in Android (stock) apps...and something that set Apple apart.

Well Mac OSX suffered when they pulled the team off it last time. It's every OTHER OS that seems to get the love. Seems like the first releases are half baked. Snow Leopard was much better than Leopard and same goes for Mountain Lion over Lion. I just wonder, since the next release is 10.9 - where do we go for the next release? 11.0? or maybe a 10.9.5 ??

Isn't that to be expected? OS'es tend to mature over time? My thoughts on the next major revision from OSX---OSXi :)

Why did you wait until now? The only new feature, the air hover thing, is the same thing as a Note except even less precise since you only use your finger.

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There isn't that much skeuomorohism in iOS except for Game Centre and the linen. The other apps like Find my Friends are optional.

I hope they don't change things like the Notes app or the general appearance of Reminders since it gives each app a distinct feel when working woth them. I even wish they would make some parts, like Calendar, more skeuomorphic to make it more fun to use. Right now it looks like a mock interface using X Code's template buttons.

I agree. Totally!
 
Most likely this will be another dark gray on light gray crappy looking interface.

On another note, Rene Ritchie, the guy says the most obvious things and now he's all over the place.

It's all about getting page hits for guys like himself.
 
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