iOS 8 Adoption Rate Hits 72% As Android Lollipop Distribution Reaches 1.6%

[CEmajr]

Most Android users who want lollipop will just have to buy a new phone. It's pathetic how Android updates are so disorganized in their distribution.

 

[Max(IT)]

Very hard to believe iOS 8 is at that kind of adoption. Such a horrible OS.

Best iOS ever....

 

[Max(IT)]

It is a very odd behavior really....go over to forums where you don't have an interest or outright dislike the product, but have not purchased it, then spend your time and energy posting there day after day. If you go over to Android forums (or WP forums), for the most part you just don't see it the other way, cause, who'd want to waste their time like that?

Course there could be some AstroTurf-ing going on (paid posting sponsored by competitors...wouldn't be surprised to see Samsung on that kind of choice path), that might explain a good chunk of what we see here.

Most of them just put a couple of Apple's product in the signature to pretend to be more credible....

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Neither;

Android doesn't roll out it's updates the same way that Apple does. When Apple is ready, the update goes out universally to all supported platforms.

This is not how the Android model works.

When Android releases their new version, google follows the following strategy
First, this is for Nexus devices only. this does not apply to any device that is not a "google play edition" device or a nexus.

Google does a staged rollout. they'll randomly select 1% of the population of a given device to receive the update within the first few days. then if there are relatively few issues, they will gradually increase the numbers that receive it, so that over a course of weeks, the new update is rolled out.
http://www.androidauthority.com/how-android-updates-roll-out-force-clear-gcf-318744/

secondly, this does not apply to any Android device that uses a customized version of Android. So basically, any sony, Samsung, HTC, ... well, Any device thats not a nexus basically. These devices all will only get their updates from their manufacturer rolls out the new update. This often is slower than Google. First the manufacturer must get the final code for the new version, Then they must redo, port, or update their own customizations to the new version. and then it can be rolled out to their customers.

SO, google's slow rollout of 5.0 doesn't prove anything you claim it does. Other than this is a slow staged rollout and the 3rd party android device makers are ridiculously slow at getting their updates out

Even on my "officially Google's" nexus, it took more than a month to have lollipop installed....

The slow rollout is just because Google doesn't care about what version of Android you do have installed, as long as you are using Google's services and give them access to your data.

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No, I have a Nexus myself to develop on....but if you watch the comments you'll see some of the same names just consistently pouring hatred on Apple and its products here and at some point you just have to wonder why they spend their time here - as its not something you see over on the droid\WP forums (for the most part) - however astroturfing (which Samsung, for example, has done in the past) would explain some of it quite well.

It takes just a little search to know who they are

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...and I happen to think that this is one of Google's strengths... at least from a customer's perspective. Because there is a spread of Android versions out there, developers must carefully consider whether or not they really need to develop to the latest version of Android.

I have a stack of Android handsets at different versions of Android, and it is very interesting to see just how much of the newer software the older models can utilize and how well they run.

In contrast, my iPhones have become slower with each update of iOS. And often times the update is "required" because some of the apps that I use have required the latest version of iOS.

With iOS, I'm pushed into a corner to the point where I have to buy a new device (because of reduced performance or app incompatibility). With Android, I can continue using the device at a particular level of performance until I decide otherwise. A bit ironic considering that the iPhone hardware is better made for longevity.

Disclaimer: this is my experience only. I'm sure that there are others with the exact opposite experience.

Wow
What a straw man
Now fragmentation is a strength

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I'm not sure that encouraging people to remain on old devices without the latest security updates is a good or unimportant thing.

Correct.
That's just another demonstration of how Google doesn't care about what version is running on your device as long as you are using their services....
Google isn't a software company.
Google isn't an hardware company.
Google's core business is your data.
Period.

How "I'm using jelly bean but I have the last Chrome and Gmail installed on a crappy kernel and an ancient hardware" could be a positive thing, is something beyond my comprehension.

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I dont care what anyone says. There is no comparison between IOS and Android's OS install base.
You cannot compare an OS (IOS) that a company makes for a handful of its devices Vs Android's OS which pretty much any device manufacture out there or a manufacturer that will pop up tomorrow, can use and customize it for its devices...
Its just not a real comparison..As others have stated. What are the stats for Nexus line of devices?

Commercially wise, Nexus devices are trivial .... 0.5% of the installed base?

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I wonder why Google never announces, during each new OS presentation, " Don't worry if you can't get it, this new version isn't really that relevant because of Support Libraries!"

I'm still waiting for Lollipop on my (cellular) Nexus 7! Unbelievable a Nexus device should take this long.

They are going to defend Google nevertheless....

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No...carriers being dicks, and Google allowing a system where carriers can be dicks, is one of the reasons Android sucks.

.... not only carriers, since the nexus models are receiving Android very slowly.

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Been using iOS 8 on iPhone 6 from the day one, and also on iPad air. Know lot of friends who also have done. Zero issue with iOS 8. Makes me wonder if people have gotten into habit of just moaning for anything that is the latest for absolutely no reason!!!

Now before you say it, I am aware that peoples experience on electronic devices does differ but still........!

Agree. I yet have to see a significant bug on iOS 8....
I found some, but nothing more than a slightly annoyance

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Tunnel vision and blinders.

Some have open minds and consider the positives aspects of the various options available.

Others have blind devotion and devote all their energy to bashing any product which they choose not to like.

Your insistence on irrelevant bashing has nothing to do with the original topic and serves only to intentionally distract from the original topic.

Since you apparently believe you know everything, why don't you get a job in Apples marketing team, and funnel your drive to promote the iPhone in a more productive direction.

Good luck. You'll need it.

Most likely, Apple would realize that your hostility would do more to switch people to Android. So, guess that leaves you stuck here relentlessly beating a pointless topic and puffing your chest while the rest of the world continues to see your ranting for the attention seeking that it is.

But, Android thanks you. It's your personality type that drives Apple owners to become frustrated with the Apple community and move back to Android and Windows devices.

You and others who continue making posts like yours are a marketing force to be reckoned with. One which Apple would like to quash, as it sends tons of people to Apple's competitors.

Oh, by the way, if they haven't already thanked you, welcome to the Android and Windows marketing team. Without people like you, Apple would be tougher competition. They thank you for your help turning people off and away from Apple products.

Apple users frustrated??? Oh lol

 

[Keirasplace]

That has been my experience but I know that others have had much more positive experiences. I too would love to be able to downgrade to an older version of iOS. But then my iOS devices would perform well for an even longer period of time... not something that Apple wants to encourage.

Some look at the lack of opportunities to upgrade Android on a particular device as a deficit. In my experience, it is a positive... a significant positive.

My Android devices perform just as well on the last day of their active life as they did on the first day. (the only noticeable difference is a shorter battery life which is true for all devices)

Should I need or want to refresh my system, it'll be refreshed to the version of Android I currently had running. With my iOS devices, a refresh forces me to upgrade to the latest version of iOS supported on that device. THAT is a significant difference.

I prefer iOS over Android, but my investment is better preserved on Android.

If you don't mind no security on old devices, well, yeah I suppose ;-). These days, IOS has no forced upgrade, just a restricted downgrade. Considering that downgrading on Android is not a picnic for most users; I'd say its kind of a wash for most on that count. So, you could do the same with IOS.

I got 3GS with 6.1.6 and I think its fine. I prefer spending money on sports equipment than a new phone; good quality sport equipment is as expensive as phones and just as addictive ;-).

 

[Max(IT)]

Wow, and you prove my point. Attention seek much?

As for the small list, good for you. But consider me unimpressed. I'll not bother detailing a 40+ history of technical experience and device / component design, manufacturing, programming, marketing, and yes ownership as well. I have other things to do that are more important than spending hours writing a list of things you probably wouldn't understand anyway. And it's not on topic anyay. But it would probably surprise you to find out that after Steve returned to Apple, Apple called me directly and had numerous lengthy conversations to get information they needed and wasn't documented anywhere else. It was my years and experience in the industry that led them to contact me for what they needed to know. If you want to puff your chest in that area, start a thread to discuss every device you've ever owned, worked with, designed, patented, programmed, or written a programming language for. You'll probably realize quickly that many of us will be unimpressed, and detail more credentials.

As for debates of security... Again one could debate that all day long. But the reality is Apple's been the one actually compromised in the wild. And it's not like it was a small issue. Again, more concerned about what actually affects my data than theoretical possibilities of what may never happen.

You know what??? Think about your iPhone 3 for a more recent example since you're still using it. Oh, it's an Apple, so who cares about whether it's been patched to include all the latest security holes that have been discovered. While you rag on older Android phones, I don't hear you calling for Apple to patch your iPhone 3.

And in this case, Apple Is both the OS producer and the phone manufacturer. They could insure that every phone got updates regardless of age. But they choose not to.

Google makes the updates available. But they are not in control of the phone's manufacturers. In most cases it's not Google or Android preventing the update, it's usually either the phone manufacturer or in many cases the cell phone service that is blocking / preventing the update.

Google gets around this as much as possible by providing the core function updates without requiring a full os update. And, the current updated apps run on prior versions as well. So that patches a lot of potential holes without requiring individual manufacturers and cellular service providers to allow us to update the base os version.

Now, when Apple continues to support a phone as old as my Android phone, then perhaps you'll be able to revisit this topic legitimately. But, as it is, my Android still gets more updates and runs more current apps than your iPhone 3. Pretty sad considering Apple has control of ios and iPhone production and distribution entirely.

But you do make a valid point... Android is the dominant player in the market. Welcome back to the topic.

Android the dominant player.... Lol.... Even better

 

[mhunter207]

And welcome to the forums Keira #2.

Again, totally unconcerned with "technical" possibilities. More concerned with has been widely known and humiliatingly publicly broadcast on the news exploits that have actually affected tons of real people in very humiliating and publicly damaging ways.

By your argument I can safely click through all those websites that display fake iOS apps on my iPhone or put me in endless loops that you can't get out of without closing safari. Likewise I can safely click my way through the Pop up adds that are in most iOS apps and cause me to be endlessly cycled through screens to purchase things from the App Store with no way out except exiting everything. Amazing how many times I open an iOS app and have some weird screen come up that I can't close, and next thing I know I'm being pushed towards buying something that also won't get off my screen without exiting everything.

Glad to know that there isn't any adware or malware or data mining on iOS. I can safely click through everything that comes up and just send the bills to you.

Now, for a little reality check... There are websites that will detect the device you're on (desktop or mobile) and direct you to sites which seek to gain either your information or your credit card. Frequently these are mischievous randomly displayed banner adds that trigger such events.

Likewise, there are apps and programs on every device and computer platform that are mischievous. And yes, I have encountered many in ios. Often that's how they pay for their free apps, by sending you everywhere and locking you into purchase pages that you can't just tap away from.

Are there bad apps on android? Sure. Are there bad apps or deceptive apps on iOS? Sure.

It comes down to no matter what you use, you'll need to exercise a little intelligence.

And, given the choice, if my carrier re activated the spectrum for my old Android, I'd probably put it back in use as my primary phone.

Maybe from a technical perspective, we could analyze the code and find bugs. But if I have to look for them, then obviously they're not affecting me as much as the bugs that jump out and crash or destabilize iOS apps daily for me.

Likewise I don't remember hearing anything about Android 2.x phones being breached / exploited on the nightly news.

I don't care about technically there. I care about actually affects me.

eh i dont really ever encounter those issues your over glorifying and over exaggerating. my argument still stands correct, iOS 8 is tons more secure then Android 2.x and is more secure then 4.4 Kitkat. and lol @ you not hearing any 2.x bugs.... you must be quite young then, gingerbread and beyond was bug riddled and the apps from the Play Store were also really wonky and glitchy aswell, absolutely no where near the level of polish iOS App store has had for a long time now.

and im not sure what apps you are downloading but i have over 400 3rd party applications installled on my Plus and not one of them exhibits that behavior in "locking my screen". maybe you should lay off the porn sites man because that doesnt happen to me and many others.

and i dont get the "send the bills to you" statement, apps and other things dont just take your money unless your mindlessly stupidly tapping away at your screen without looking at what your doing.

and there is countless more reports on Android malware and people's android devices being hacked with bankware, spyware, malware, viruses, adware and more, hell 5 million android users in the U.S have some form of malware on their device and they dont even know it. Android is more open source then iOS and so it is obvious that it is not as secure.

there has been countless exploits and glitches shown and used in action on millions of Android devices over the years, can not say the same for iOS devices at all. there is a reason why you hear reports of hundreds of thousands of users across the globe have infected Android devices and millions also elsewhere having malware on their device leeching information and data off their device to who knows where.

also my argument still stands correct, iOS 8 is far far far more secure then Android 2.x, in every single utter way, Android 2.x has absolutely no advantage in any area at all in terms of security of the device and your information/data onboard

Play services updates does not cover everything in updates to your device, you dont get Project Butter, Project Volta, Project Svelte, SELinux, and Webview Updates over Play services (unless you have 5.0 now that Google has unloaded Webview in Lollipop to Play Services updates) and so much more under the hood changes to security, performance, and everything else.

also just remember over 99% of mobile malware targets Android, under 1% for iOS. by nature it is quite hard to develop malware for iOS and get it on people's devices due to the nature of the OS itself and the reliance on Apple.

over 1 billion Android devices are at a huge risk with a terrible exploit in Webview, and i know alot of people who use the stock AOSP browser on their phone because they dont know better, by nature Android data mines so much more then iOS as well, this is plainly obvious. you also dont have granular control over app permissions on Android like you do on iOS, a flashlight application on Android should not have be able to collect and access my photos and videos, my social media accounts ,phone logs, phone calls, my email, my phone statistics, access to my microphone and camera whenever it wants without my consent, etc etc. on iOS you have extreme fine control over every aspect of what a app can do.

you say you dont hear about Android devices being compromised? do you live under a rock or do you not follow the tech industry at all? because every single week there is something new about Android devices getting attacked with malware/ some form of exploit being used, and more.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/04/android-malware-apps-deleted/

http://www.slashgear.com/android-malware-found-on-google-play-with-millions-of-downloads-03367321/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-malware-mines-bitcoin-litecoin-dogecoin,news-18528.html

http://bgr.com/2014/06/26/google-on-android-malware-and-security/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2691...rgets-android-especially-mobile-payments.html

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...der-the-bus-refuses-to-patch-os-vulnerability

http://www.scmagazine.com/lookout-releases-2014-mobile-threat-report/article/392814/

how about the really bad exploit in Samsung Knox that took them a while to patch?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428736,00.asp

honestly there is countless more articles i can post that all say different things and different stories on Android but this is just the tip of the ice berg.

http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano...e-warn-of-new-virus-hitting-smart-phones.ashx

^ is a really bad one too. you just dont see this on iOS really ever, so much for your "40 years of experience of this stuff" maybe its time to brush up and catch up on modern day information now

 

[sracer]

If you don't mind no security on old devices, well, yeah I suppose ;-). These days, IOS has no forced upgrade, just a restricted downgrade.

No forced upgrade? What if my iPhone 4 running iOS 6 needs to be restored? Will I be able to do that or will I be forced to upgrade to iOS 7?

 

[mi7chy]

iOS isn't immune to malware.

http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pawn-storm-update-ios-espionage-app-found/

 

[Keirasplace]

No forced upgrade? What if my iPhone 4 running iOS 6 needs to be restored? Will I be able to do that or will I be forced to upgrade to iOS 7?

The Iphone 4(and all previous Iphones) and original Ipad, have the ability to be downgraded, it is not for total neophytes, but if you follow instructions, you can do it). The Ipad 2 also has a tighter exploits, Redsn0w, that enables downgrade.

Read up here.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/102928/downgrading-to-a-previous-ios-version/114076#114076

As of the 4S isn't possible as Apple signs all installs and I don't think there is non hardware based workaround as of Feb 2014 (didn't look if there was any after that, probably not). So, downgraded, not possible for 4S and up.

 

[HKZ/MST3K]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and MacRumors is a place where so many people come to get help with bugs and glitches- it's bound to make everything look worse than it actually is.

I agree to a certain extent, but the bugs that are present in iOS are not something that MR readers can help each other fix, it's in the OS. Apple really better make 8.2 better or I'm going to be very unhappy. I've had two 6 Plus(es?) and done a clean install on my current one twice and I still get a bug where the touchscreen completely ignores my input until I lock and unlock it. Only after doing that does it respond again. Not responding to touch input 5-6 times a day on a device that has no other inputs is a pretty serious problem that for whatever reason just started showing up in iOS 8. Don't even get me started on iOS 8 on my iPad 3. The fact that Apple refuses to allow me to downgrade boils my blood and has made me vow to never buy another iPad because it has basically tuned into a completely useless $600 device for anything other than youtube and using iBooks. Something I'm very unhappy with.

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Considering that downgrading on Android is not a picnic for most users; I'd say its kind of a wash for most on that count. So, you could do the same with IOS.

There's no worse option than no option. There's no considering anything, the steadfast refusal on iOS is not a wash at all, it's a definite check in the "bad" column.

 

[sracer]

The Iphone 4(and all previous Iphones) and original Ipad, have the ability to be downgraded, it is not for total neophytes, but if you follow instructions, you can do it). The Ipad 2 also has a tighter exploits, Redsn0w, that enables downgrade.

Read up here.
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/102928/downgrading-to-a-previous-ios-version/114076#114076

As of the 4S isn't possible as Apple signs all installs and I don't think there is non hardware based workaround as of Feb 2014 (didn't look if there was any after that, probably not). So, downgraded, not possible for 4S and up.

Ok, that's using a jailbreak hack.

You said, "These days, IOS has no forced upgrade, just a restricted downgrade."
Without resorting to that hack, the iPhone 4 running iOS 6 WILL be forced to upgrade to 7 on a refresh.

 

[roadbloc]

Wow
What a straw man
Now fragmentation is a strength

It is. Maybe not from a developer's point of view, but from the customer... absolutely. I have never understood the negative attitude Apple fans on this website appear to have against fragmentation.

 

[thekeyring]

some phones have no ability to upgrade, just like with the iPhone once Apple deem it too old. At least Google continue to support and update their older software for them with older or less powerful hardware.

People who are unable to run iOS 7/8 - iPhone 4 and earlier - have not bought a new phone in 4/5 years. They might generate some revenue in apps and content purchases, but as it's 3% of the install base, it can't be high.

Why would Apple give things away to these users just because? Remember, these devices have not lost features they had on day 1.

Google generates revenue from usage, so it makes sense for them to support everyone and update apps running on old Android versions.

 

[apolloa]

If you don't mind no security on old devices, well, yeah I suppose ;-). These days, IOS has no forced upgrade, just a restricted downgrade. Considering that downgrading on Android is not a picnic for most users; I'd say its kind of a wash for most on that count. So, you could do the same with IOS.

I got 3GS with 6.1.6 and I think its fine. I prefer spending money on sports equipment than a new phone; good quality sport equipment is as expensive as phones and just as addictive ;-).

Users with older devices will update to iOS8 because they don't know any better, then realise it kills the performance of their device, and then see they cannot downgrade.
It is almost forcing you to buy a new iOS device because iOS8 has made your once fine working device slow and buggy.

 

[SolarShane]

IOS has no forced upgrade.

If you call Apple telling its users "upgrade for your FaceTime or else" not being a forced upgrade, then you're definitely blind.

 

[Keirasplace]

Users with older devices will update to iOS8 because they don't know any better, then realise it kills the performance of their device, and then see they cannot downgrade.
It is almost forcing you to buy a new iOS device because iOS8 has made your once fine working device slow and buggy.

Seeing as I have a 3GS running on 6.1.6, and my girlfriend has a 4S on 8.1.2, I absolutely disagree. There are many people who complain, but those devices are still very usable.

For most Android users upgrading is not even an option, let alone an easy one. So, of course, downgrading is not even an option to them... You need to upgrade to be able to downgrade. Not that it's that easy to do for most of them anyway even if they had upgraded.

As for that mythical dumb blind Apple users (tm)... Even my grandma doesn't upgrade blindly and she's 90 (she received a 5c last year, she had a 3GS before that); I could maybe get your point before IOS 7 when getting rid of the upgrade on the phone was a pain, but not now.

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People who are unable to run iOS 7/8 - iPhone 4 and earlier - have not bought a new phone in 4/5 years. They might generate some revenue in apps and content purchases, but as it's 3% of the install base, it can't be high.

Why would Apple give things away to these users just because? Remember, these devices have not lost features they had on day 1.

Google generates revenue from usage, so it makes sense for them to support everyone and update apps running on old Android versions.

It would be logical... But reality is that they don't really. Doing on the nexus doesn't really count.

 

[flyinmac]

eh i dont really ever encounter those issues your over glorifying and over exaggerating. my argument still stands correct, iOS 8 is tons more secure then Android 2.x and is more secure then 4.4 Kitkat. and lol @ you not hearing any 2.x bugs.... you must be quite young then, gingerbread and beyond was bug riddled and the apps from the Play Store were also really wonky and glitchy aswell, absolutely no where near the level of polish iOS App store has had for a long time now.

and im not sure what apps you are downloading but i have over 400 3rd party applications installled on my Plus and not one of them exhibits that behavior in "locking my screen". maybe you should lay off the porn sites man because that doesnt happen to me and many others.

and i dont get the "send the bills to you" statement, apps and other things dont just take your money unless your mindlessly stupidly tapping away at your screen without looking at what your doing.

and there is countless more reports on Android malware and people's android devices being hacked with bankware, spyware, malware, viruses, adware and more, hell 5 million android users in the U.S have some form of malware on their device and they dont even know it. Android is more open source then iOS and so it is obvious that it is not as secure.

there has been countless exploits and glitches shown and used in action on millions of Android devices over the years, can not say the same for iOS devices at all. there is a reason why you hear reports of hundreds of thousands of users across the globe have infected Android devices and millions also elsewhere having malware on their device leeching information and data off their device to who knows where.

also my argument still stands correct, iOS 8 is far far far more secure then Android 2.x, in every single utter way, Android 2.x has absolutely no advantage in any area at all in terms of security of the device and your information/data onboard

Play services updates does not cover everything in updates to your device, you dont get Project Butter, Project Volta, Project Svelte, SELinux, and Webview Updates over Play services (unless you have 5.0 now that Google has unloaded Webview in Lollipop to Play Services updates) and so much more under the hood changes to security, performance, and everything else.

also just remember over 99% of mobile malware targets Android, under 1% for iOS. by nature it is quite hard to develop malware for iOS and get it on people's devices due to the nature of the OS itself and the reliance on Apple.

over 1 billion Android devices are at a huge risk with a terrible exploit in Webview, and i know alot of people who use the stock AOSP browser on their phone because they dont know better, by nature Android data mines so much more then iOS as well, this is plainly obvious. you also dont have granular control over app permissions on Android like you do on iOS, a flashlight application on Android should not have be able to collect and access my photos and videos, my social media accounts ,phone logs, phone calls, my email, my phone statistics, access to my microphone and camera whenever it wants without my consent, etc etc. on iOS you have extreme fine control over every aspect of what a app can do.

you say you dont hear about Android devices being compromised? do you live under a rock or do you not follow the tech industry at all? because every single week there is something new about Android devices getting attacked with malware/ some form of exploit being used, and more.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/04/android-malware-apps-deleted/

http://www.slashgear.com/android-malware-found-on-google-play-with-millions-of-downloads-03367321/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/android-malware-mines-bitcoin-litecoin-dogecoin,news-18528.html

http://bgr.com/2014/06/26/google-on-android-malware-and-security/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2691...rgets-android-especially-mobile-payments.html

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...der-the-bus-refuses-to-patch-os-vulnerability

http://www.scmagazine.com/lookout-releases-2014-mobile-threat-report/article/392814/

how about the really bad exploit in Samsung Knox that took them a while to patch?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428736,00.asp

honestly there is countless more articles i can post that all say different things and different stories on Android but this is just the tip of the ice berg.

http://dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebano...e-warn-of-new-virus-hitting-smart-phones.ashx

^ is a really bad one too. you just dont see this on iOS really ever, so much for your "40 years of experience of this stuff" maybe its time to brush up and catch up on modern day information now

Blinders and tunnel vision

Don't visit porn sites. Sorry. All you need to do is run typical apps, like schedulers, or even some of the small games to see the behavior I mentioned.

As for your list of links to read. Amusingly, the first 2 describe behavior commonly found in iOS apps. So nothing unique to android.

And the third one is also hardly unique to Android. It also got into the Apple App Store without detection and activated on iPhones. See the link below:
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=811

I could spend my day posting links to counter every biased statement you make about Apple being more secure than Android. But I have more important things to do.

For every thing you post a link for bashing Android, a link showing the same thing on ios can also be posted.

It's simply not worth the time investment to post link after link. The one link above counters the first 3 in your list. Honestly I didn't bother investing more time after that. It wasn't worth the additional 30 seconds to read them because your first 3 samples were so easily shot down.

Ios is no more secure than Android. And Apples App Store has been compromised as well. And yes there has been adware, malware, and Trojan, apps in the Apple App Store.

 

[Keirasplace]

I agree to a certain extent, but the bugs that are present in iOS are not something that MR readers can help each other fix, it's in the OS. Apple really better make 8.2 better or I'm going to be very unhappy. I've had two 6 Plus(es?) and done a clean install on my current one twice and I still get a bug where the touchscreen completely ignores my input until I lock and unlock it. Only after doing that does it respond again. Not responding to touch input 5-6 times a day on a device that has no other inputs is a pretty serious problem that for whatever reason just started showing up in iOS 8. Don't even get me started on iOS 8 on my iPad 3. The fact that Apple refuses to allow me to downgrade boils my blood and has made me vow to never buy another iPad because it has basically tuned into a completely useless $600 device for anything other than youtube and using iBooks. Something I'm very unhappy with.

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There's no worse option than no option. There's no considering anything, the steadfast refusal on iOS is not a wash at all, it's a definite check in the "bad" column.

For most Android users, I mean not tech nerds, there is no option to upgrade or downgrade. We are talking the average user here. You know, those people that buy the 50-$100 phone in Asia, Africa, latin America and don't even own a computer. Those people Androidites are so happy to include in their headcount when it is convenient. Most of those people are not going to see an upgrade ever and run highly unsecure old versions of Android even when they are bought in 2015.

Apple makes it very easy to upgrade, and if you upgrade when its released, you have a few days to downgrade. These days, you can also refuse the upgrade.

 

[mhunter207]

Blinders and tunnel vision

Don't visit porn sites. Sorry. All you need to do is run typical apps, like schedulers, or even some of the small games to see the behavior I mentioned.

As for your list of links to read. Amusingly, the first 2 describe behavior commonly found in iOS apps. So nothing unique to android.

And the third one is also hardly unique to Android. It also got into the Apple App Store without detection and activated on iPhones. See the link below:
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=811

I could spend my day posting links to counter every biased statement you make about Apple being more secure than Android. But I have more important things to do.

For every thing you post a link for bashing Android, a link showing the same thing on ios can also be posted.

It's simply not worth the time investment to post link after link. The one link above counters the first 3 in your list. Honestly I didn't bother investing more time after that. It wasn't worth the additional 30 seconds to read them because your first 3 samples were so easily shot down.

Ios is no more secure than Android. And Apples App Store has been compromised as well. And yes there has been adware, malware, and Trojan, apps in the Apple App Store.

There has been like 5 malware pieces known to hit the App Store in its entire lifespan, compared to over thousands of apps that have flooded Play Store as malware over the years and has infected over millions of devices already , your post doesnt even work. Play store malware apps is really unique to Android only as not even 10 piexes of malware has gone through the Apple App Store in the 7-8 year span its been out. So very few people have been targeted. Wirelurker was shut down not even a month after it was found and affected very little people compared to the millions alreadyaffected on Android over the years. You really cant even compare the two. I would love for you to send me examples that say the same thing for iOS , dont worry ill be waiting. Show me how iOS devices in the hundreds of thousands that are infected and lock up your device for ransomware/stealing your information like it has already occured on Android easily through out the years. You havent shot nothing down lmao and you stll cant tell me why Android 2.x is somehow more secure then iOS 8 today. I guess you gave up on that argument too lol....so much for the "40 years of experience " though, the internet is a place to lie and where you can get away with it sometimes

so not even 10 pieces of malware to make it past the iOS app store but already in the thousands that malware has made it to the play store and has infected millions of devices already. You cant show me nothing on this topic that involves iOS because this simply just does not happen on iOS on a large scale at all, no infact iOS devices are targeted the least and there is a reason why the reports on iOS malware and things of that nature is far far far less then what is reported on Android. Its common sense aswell

And no there is a huge difference between what i posted in the first two links and what your saying lmao....this adware on Android literally blankets your screen with a full ad no matter where you are, on iOS your talking about a website redirecting you to their app on the App Store or sometimes a full page Safari ad that pops up that you can X out of, with this Android situation its ads literally spamming your screen and you can be in any app/just sitting at the home screen and this will pop up. Thank you for proving to me though that you have no where near 40 years of experience here , you gave it away, you dont even know what the article was or is really about

Its pretty baffling and stunning how you can say "its hardly unique to Android" , there is a very huge difference between thousands of malware/trojan/viruses apps hitting the Play Store over the years and it doing their damages already(and still going on to this day with the very recent adware that has been installed on almost 10 million Android devices, snuck in as a regular app but is really straight adware, Googles scanner didnt pick it up) versus not even 10 apps that were infected that got through the iOS app store over the course of 7-8 years. I would say its quite unique to Android

10 or less apps that are infected to hit the iOS app store>>>>>>>>>>> over thousands of infected applications to hit the Play Store over the years.

Flyinmac takes a big L for this one.

 

[flyinmac]

There has been like 5 malware pieces known to hit the App Store in its entire lifespan, compared to over thousands of apps that have flooded Play Store as malware over the years and has infected over millions of devices already , your post doesnt even work. Play store malware apps is really unique to Android only as not even 10 piexes of malware has gone through the Apple App Store in the 7-8 year span its been out. So very few people have been targeted. Wirelurker was shut down not even a month after it was found and affected very little people compared to the millions alreadyaffected on Android over the years. You really cant even compare the two. I would love for you to send me examples that say the same thing for iOS , dont worry ill be waiting. Show me how iOS devices in the hundreds of thousands that are infected and lock up your device for ransomware/stealing your information like it has already occured on Android easily through out the years. You havent shot nothing down lmao and you stll cant tell me why Android 2.x is somehow more secure then iOS 8 today. I guess you gave up on that argument too lol....so much for the "40 years of experience " though, the internet is a place to lie and where you can get away with it sometimes

so not even 10 pieces of malware to make it past the iOS app store but already in the thousands that malware has made it to the play store and has infected millions of devices already. You cant show me nothing on this topic that involves iOS because this simply just does not happen on iOS on a large scale at all, no infact iOS devices are targeted the least and there is a reason why the reports on iOS malware and things of that nature is far far far less then what is reported on Android. Its common sense aswell

And no there is a huge difference between what i posted in the first two links and what your saying lmao....this adware on Android literally blankets your screen with a full ad no matter where you are, on iOS your talking about a website redirecting you to their app on the App Store or sometimes a full page Safari ad that pops up that you can X out of, with this Android situation its ads literally spamming your screen and you can be in any app/just sitting at the home screen and this will pop up. Thank you for proving to me though that you have no where near 40 years of experience here , you gave it away, you dont even know what the article was or is really about

Its pretty baffling and stunning how you can say "its hardly unique to Android" , there is a very huge difference between thousands of malware/trojan/viruses apps hitting the Play Store over the years and it doing their damages already(and still going on to this day with the very recent adware that has been installed on almost 10 million Android devices, snuck in as a regular app but is really straight adware, Googles scanner didnt pick it up) versus not even 10 apps that were infected that got through the iOS app store over the course of 7-8 years. I would say its quite unique to Android

10 or less apps that are infected to hit the iOS app store>>>>>>>>>>> over thousands of infected applications to hit the Play Store over the years.

Flyinmac takes a big L for this one.

Blinders and tunnel vision. You've made your bias clear.

 

[mKTank]

Blinders and tunnel vision. You've made your bias clear.

I'm sorry, he's pretty much 100% right and you keep repeating the same weird "blinders and tunnel vision" thing as if other people are going to laugh along and agree with you. Android is open source and is simply not nearly as sandboxed. You don't need 5 years of experience to know that that's simply a less secure model, and the statistics have shown it.

 

[Oletros]

I'm sorry, he's pretty much 100% right and you keep repeating the same weird "blinders and tunnel vision" thing as if other people are going to laugh along and agree with you. Android is open source and is simply not nearly as sandboxed. You don't need 5 years of experience to know that that's simply a less secure model, and the statistics have shown it.

People is confusing the ability to sideload and not curating the store with a less secure OS

 

[mKTank]

People is confusing the ability to sideload and not curating the store with a less secure OS

Not curating the store is a pretty big deal... It's the one source of apps on a phone that should be completely trusted. This isn't 2001; I shouldn't have to roll the dice every time I install something from a new developer; Google should be doing its best to filter out harmful apps like Apple does because it shouldn't be my job.

The open source model can only be beneficial for security when the community can submit patches to the exploits, a la Linux distros. You have people with inside knowledge of the software exploiting it but on the other hand you have people with inside knowledge of the software patching it. The Android community seemingly couldn't care less, and even if they did, they aren't able to patch Android. Rather, they have to wait for Google to fix it and then wait for the manufacturer to apply it and then wait for the carriers to test it and then wait for the carriers to roll it out, etc. Pretty easy to see where this becomes an issue. Yeah, Play Services updates are cool and all but they don't patch major OS exploits, which are made easier to find through the fact that the OS code is open to the public.

 

[Oletros]

but they don't patch major OS exploits, which are made easier to find through the fact that the OS code is open to the public.

What exactly don't patch?

And no, you can say what you put want but downloading an app from the play store us not like playing roulette

 

[Elvergun]

iOS isn't immune to malware.

http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pawn-storm-update-ios-espionage-app-found/

Oh my...the Android brigade to the rescue.

"There may be other methods of infection that are used to install this particular malware. One possible scenario is infecting an iPhone after connecting it to a compromised or infected Windows laptop via a USB cable"

Using that article to claim that iOS is not immune to malware is like saying that an iPhone's screen isn't immune to being shattered when it is repeatedly struck with a hammer.