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Lol. I can't imagine what some of these people do to screw up their devices so thoroughly. I never have these absurd problems. Never.

Not necessarily. See my topic here

Guys with fresh DFU restore of iOS 8 are suffering from crash and reboot problems too.
 
Yep! Some people think the harder they flail their arms around, the more likely it is that Apple will notice their complaints. After all, their complaints are the most important ones, because they've owned *x* amount of Apple products over *x* years, and they're going to switch to Android if their problems aren't fixed immediately.

...and that's enough MacRumors for me today.

Or they just want attention. Unfortunately, hyperbole and calling out people with experiences to the contrary as liars are easy ways to get it.
 
Suspect? iOS 8 is unusable, there is so much not working and so many bugs it's mind boggling + it will kill battery like crazy and make every iPhone (doesn't matter which one SLOWER).

This is by far the worst iOS release ever. And that's a nice way to put it.

That's strange. I'm trying to figure out how this unusable ios is responding to your message. Oh wait... That's because despite being unusable, it's doing everything I ask it to do with exceptional ease and agility.

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Yep! Some people think the harder they flail their arms around, the more likely it is that Apple will notice their complaints. After all, their complaints are the most important ones, because they've owned *x* amount of Apple products over *x* years, and they're going to switch to Android if their problems aren't fixed immediately.

...and that's enough MacRumors for me today.

Yep... Noisy people keep buying the junk they complain about. Switch to windows and android. Then you can go clog their forums with complaints.

If it's junk, walk with your money. If you keep buying it, you're just encouraging them and praising them.

Enjoy the android experience. Oh, by the way, I do have an android phone too. You know the best thing about it, all its bugs are there for good. Only way I can get an update is to either hack it or buy a new one. Now that's product support for you.

Enjoy the android while you reminisce about how inconvenient it was to get updates.

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Or they just want attention. Unfortunately, hyperbole and calling out people with experiences to the contrary as liars are easy ways to get it.

How true. You're not having problems???? Well sir, then you are a liar and must work for apple.
 
I don't think it's "unusable", but this is the only iOS upgrade I've ever used that has bugs. They're not major, but there's many and they're annoying. Like how things keep changing in Settings. I rename my iPhone to "kas's iPhone 6+". I go back there a few hours later, it just says "iPhone". I click off showing location indicator in the task bar. It's still up there. Stuff changing by itself. It's like my iPhone's haunted!

Not being able to highlight stuff while writing my posts has got to be the worst bug of them all.
 
It would be nice if Apple took a few billion and hired some proper software engineers and overhauled iOS because Jony Ive has made a mess of things. You would think iOS 7 was borderline bad with some poor design choices and iOS 8 is just piling on. I refuse to update any of my iPad's that are running on iOS 7.

Too bad Forstall isn't allowed back. He probably hung the picture of Nelson saying:

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First, iOS 7 and iOS 8 is an enormous improvement over what iOS 6 was. Getting rid of the skeumorphism was a great leap forward. It's subjective, but I personally think ios 7 is the best looking mobile operating system out there, I think Jony Ive did an absolutely amazing job with it. Scott Forstall was a petty tyrant, claiming credit for other people's work and blaming others for his own mistakes, he had to go and Apple made the right choice.

You can say how nice it would be for Apple to hire engineers and just throw a billion dollars at the problem, but it really shows how little you know about software development. In the software world, throwing money at a problem usually only makes it worse. Apple has limited engineering resources, not because of s lack of money, but because of a simple lack of good software engineers out there who are willing and able to work at Apple. We're not talking about engineers who can make an app, I'm talking about engineers who can write assembly microcode to control the minute operations of a processor, the true genius engineers at are ridiculously hard to come by.

Apple will fix things. As far as problems go, these are all relatively minor and I have not had any issues whatsoever with iOS 8 except for some minor annoyances with Swiftkey (and that's not Apple's fault to begin with).
 
That's strange. I'm trying to figure out how this unusable ios is responding to your message. Oh wait... That's because despite being unusable, it's doing everything I ask it to do with exceptional ease and agility.

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Yep... Noisy people keep buying the junk they complain about. Switch to windows and android. Then you can go clog their forums with complaints.

If it's junk, walk with your money. If you keep buying it, you're just encouraging them and praising them.

Enjoy the android experience. Oh, by the way, I do have an android phone too. You know the best thing about it, all its bugs are there for good. Only way I can get an update is to either hack it or buy a new one. Now that's product support for you.

Enjoy the android while you reminisce about how inconvenient it was to get updates.

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How true. You're not having problems???? Well sir, then you are a liar and must work for apple.

People who say they are not having any issues just must not be using their phones enough to find these issues. I'll admit, I've been in mine nonstop and I'm finding problems. Again, I've never experienced one issue with a x.0 update.
 
It's a fiasco. No way around it. It's not just the bugs, it's the fact that 4 of the major touted features (ICloud Photo Library, Health App, Family Sharing and Apple Pay)were pulled, not available or not working correctly. Then the countless bugs and poor performance on many devices and it's clear this thing is weeks away from being ready. It's essentially just another beta phase.

Total fiasco.

Never buy at launch. It takes weeks and sometimes months to get it right ------he says as he uses the dictation feature on his new iPhone 6
I've seen little bit of the laggy stuff you guys are talking about but nothing nearly as bad is it references above.
 
I don't think it's a disaster, but my first impressions is that the benefits of ios8 are still largely not felt yet.

With the previous iOS updates, the benefits were obvious because they were baked into the OS. Multitasking, notifications, a revamped UI. With ios8, the signature features (extensions, widgets) is largely dependent on support from 3rd party developers, so it can be a while before you find that selection which best suits your needs.

I am currently playing around with a bunch of widgets and haven't found any to be particularly useful yet. Pcalc looks fun but it's $10 to add a calculator widget to my iPad's notification shade. :(
 
It's a fiasco. No way around it. It's not just the bugs, it's the fact that 4 of the major touted features (ICloud Photo Library, Health App, Family Sharing and Apple Pay)were pulled, not available or not working correctly. Then the countless bugs and poor performance on many devices and it's clear this thing is weeks away from being ready. It's essentially just another beta phase.

Total fiasco.


Nah, ****'s better than ever.
 
iOS 8 is a disaster

I don't think it's a disaster, but my first impressions is that the benefits of ios8 are still largely not felt yet.
Exactly! As is always the case with any X.0 release. 7.0, 6.0, 5.0 we're all disasters until the X.0.x release... Common stuff, gang.. Take a deep breath.
 
I just went back to 7.1.2 from 8.0, and there's a reason for that. I, and many others, are aware of that not all software works perfectly on release. This isn't the case with iOS 8. It is completely under par with what you should expect.

Let's begin with the keyboard. I had problems with this lag, I'm not sure if many others had the same problem. If I wanted to search something in Safari, write a note, or sometimes messages, it would freeze completely for 2-7 seconds. Typed a couple of characters, and it froze. This happened especially when I used backspace. I managed to fix it though. Disabling iCloud Drive seemed to fix it, but this should NOT be necessary.

Secondly, I experienced several crashes when changing settings in the settings app. This happened not just once (I went back and forth from 7.1.2 to 8.0 a little), and exactly the same happened. If you wonder what specifically I was changing, it was the location settings. This was without having any other apps installed, as this usually is one of the first things I do when I set up my phone.

Also, the network speed. Now this was kind of awful, because this was not temporarily like the other two. I noticed this immediately after installing, because I, like many others, install a bunch of apps pretty fast. After installing, which took a looong time, the performance was insanely bad. Just sending a picture on Snapchat took ages. It took up to 10 seconds at worst to send a photo to ONE person. If you've used it, you know the quality is really low, and it shouldn't take more than <1 second after you press send. This performance was very apparent in Safari as well. Pages were loading painfully slow, and when paired with the awful keyboard, it was a total disaster.

This was just some of the problems I found after using the OS for a couple of hours. It should not be like this. Small bugs I can understand, but when core apps and functionality is so insanely bad, there's something very, very wrong.

Imo Apple has become more and more sloppy after iOS 6 was released, when Forstall was fired. Sure, Maps was a disaster, and Forstall had it coming when he acted like he did. But this was not a problem with the OS itself, just one app, with a problem on the server side. iOS itself was fine. And even if Forstall was acting like a dick, he was a damn good engineer.

And by the way, it doesn't matter if it's 1 person or 100 million who find problems, when the majority is finding the same ones.

Edit: I also agree that some are blowing this out of proportion, but this is still way under par.


Time for Cook to get Forstall back whatever it takes.
 
The heart of the issue is that people only notice the bugs that affect them. They selfishly assume that every release must be as good or bad for everyone else as it was for them.

iOS 8 really is no different than any other x.0 iOS release. For the majority of people, it's just fine. For a lot of people, it could use a bit of work. For a few people, it's plain awful.

Spoken like a true fanboy who selfishly assumes that the majority has no problems. Why don't you take your own advice and bug off?
 
Spoken like a true fanboy who selfishly assumes that the majority has no problems. Why don't you take your own advice and bug off?

I don't think anyone here is saying they have zero issues, just that the outcry here seems very disproportionate to the severity of the problems.

Are there bugs? Sure. Do they render your phone inoperable? I doubt so. So just relax, vent some steam here if you need to, then move on. Rather than keep harping on it over and over again.
 
Spoken like a true fanboy who selfishly assumes that the majority has no problems. Why don't you take your own advice and bug off?


It's not selfish to assume the majority has no problems, it's just logical. People are far more motivated to post threads about problems than they are to simply say they think something is good. Take the Apple Support Forums for example- why on earth would people waste time to post a thread about how everything is working for them? It's a place where people go for help with problems, yet some people take the content of those forums as proof that the majority of people have problems with *insert Apple device here*.

Even at MacRumors, people create accounts just to complain about a certain problem or ask for honest advice about a hardware or software issue they're facing. It similarly skews the perception that certain bugs affect far more people than they actually do. For example, who is more likely to post in a thread about screen defects- people who have a screen defect or people who don't?

My point is, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Even taking my own posting habits into account, I rarely create threads here unless I have a problem with an Apple product. In reality, those problems are the exception to the rule for me.

Lastly, why would you tell an Apple fanboy to leave a site that exists for the purpose of providing coverage of and discussion for Apple products? I'm far less out of place here than the people who enjoy poking sticks in the eyes of those who dare enjoy their "outdated" and "crippled" devices.
 
YOU GUYS. IM A SINGLE PERSON HAVING A COUPLE OF ERRORS USING NEW SOFTWARE. THEREFORE IT'S A DISASTER. IMMA BUY A GALAXY.

Like yo. Software has bugs, especially when you unleash it to millions at once who then find and report problems. It's not a disaster.

Too bad he's not the only ones with the issues. iOS 8 is horrid and littered with bugs. It's practically unusable and very much feels like better software. Stop using the straw man fallacy too. Literally everything you said in caps does not represent how the OP feels.
I bet if he had the option to downgrade to iOS 7, he would do so.
 
iOS sucks on my iPad air, this new update shows so many bugs and is very laggy. There is also a keyboard bug when you use the dolphin browser, the space bar is on top of the smiley face sometimes. Safari is slower than my other browsers now and the bookmarks option sucks. My iPad Air crashed for the first time yesterday too....:(
 
This.


If you find a product with such a huge market that launches and is perfect on Day 1, please let me know.

I helped relaunch seven websites with a team of not even the number of employees in a single Apple Store. We had nowhere near Apple's budget or lead time. The first day, chaos. We tackled things as they came up, but you can not QA anything like that or iPhone operating systems on a scale that will be used the first day. You will look at 1,500 different things while actual users will try to use 15 million.

This is why I often totally understand Apple's decision-making process. They don't launch OS versions with as many features as people want quite often because they probably pick a certain number they think they can refine to a certain amount and then get that as right as they can. That's probably the exact reason Touch ID was used for about two or three things for the first year.

Like it or not, those of us who buy the latest hardware at the outset are kind of beta testers. The key is to not get all crazy and remember that hardware and software will never be perfect. Remember the Apple Maps fiasco? It was BAD, but it also got people pointing out that even Google Maps isn't perfect with an extra five-year head start. Apple Maps is now perfectly fine at what it does. Hell, MobileMe was a train wreck but iCloud works pretty darn well.
 
I know sometimes it is hard to resist, but unless you have brand new hardware that comes with it like the iPhone 6, why set your self up to be a Charlie tester? I used to update willy-nilly until I had a **major** data loss due to a crap OS release. It took me close to 3 months to get a massive library back in order, all because I wanted to see what the new OS was like right when it came out.

If you are like me and don't like seeing productivity on your tools fall through the floor, just wait a revision or two, it seems to always do the trick. Heck I am even skipping the new phone for the first time ever, used to update every two years since the iPhone 3. No more, I have better things to do than become a slave to tech...
 
Lol. I can't imagine what some of these people do to screw up their devices so thoroughly. I never have these absurd problems. Never.

I have noticed a lag here and there and some apps crashing. But some of these apps crashed before, so it's hard to peg that on any single thing.

Family Sharing seems a little undercooked, but the implementation using Apple TV is great. So, I mean, everything seems mostly fine. Hell, I'm using a pre-release GM on my iPhone and using a Yosemite beta on my MBA. It could be on bad hardware, maybe the install went bad, I dunno. But sometimes I think stuff gets blown out of proportion because out of the millions of users out there, five will be on here complaining about the same thing. My dad had this annoying Facebook glitch on his iPad that I could NOT figure out. I couldn't even remove his account using iOS 7 and then re-install it. But it worked after the iOS 8 upgrade. So hey, good news there.

I like people posting issues they find. I'm still annoyed at not getting my phone on launch day and looking at Apple's inventory at every store around here -- THEY ALL HAVE MY PHONE. But stupid AT&T. I'm going to probably hit the local AT&T store and see if they can just give me a damn phone. I'm using the Next financing, so I can't just go to an Apple Store and pick one up -- unfortunately.
 
I don't think anyone here is saying they have zero issues, just that the outcry here seems very disproportionate to the severity of the problems.

Are there bugs? Sure. Do they render your phone inoperable? I doubt so. So just relax, vent some steam here if you need to, then move on. Rather than keep harping on it over and over again.

I seem to have met you on another forum Abigail, one of the greatest Apple lovers of all time, Apple can do no wrong as far as you're concerned.

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iOS sucks on my iPad air, this new update shows so many bugs and is very laggy. There is also a keyboard bug when you use the dolphin browser, the space bar is on top of the smiley face sometimes. Safari is slower than my other browsers now and the bookmarks option sucks. My iPad Air crashed for the first time yesterday too....:(

I've got the Air as well and having similar problems, as well as really bad battery drain, except that I've now fixed that up, but still very laggy, my iPad 2 is faster on IOS 7.
 
I seem to have met you on another forum Abigail, one of the greatest Apple lovers of all time, Apple can do no wrong as far as you're concerned.


Flattery will get you nowhere. ;)

But seriously, I am just asking people to be fair here. I don't think Apple is infallible, and I have called them out on areas which I feel they are falling behind on.

My experience is that ios8 is very useable, and a very functional update. Bit by bit, app updates are trickling in, and with every update, the utility of my iOS devices can only increase.

It's far from the disaster drama kings and queens here are making it out to be.
 
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