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If this is the "millionth time" that Apple has killed its users' battery life, then why update to a X.0 iOS version when you know it already happened 999,999 previous times?

Because I live in hope that it won't happen again?

I upgrade to see what bugs are there before I get friends and family to upgrade. And also because I love new features.
 
Wife's ipad2 is all messed up since the ios8 upgrade. I am looking into how I change it back to ios7.

According to a lot of people on here you're just a drama Queen, I know you're not of course, because I had problems with my iPad Air, especially battery drain and the whole system being generally much slower and jerky.

I get sick of people coming on here and rubbishing people with genuine complaints and sticking up for a trillion dollar company instead of helping those with real problems.

Apple can look after themselves, let them spend some money to get things right.

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Because I live in hope that it won't happen again?

I upgrade to see what bugs are there before I get friends and family to upgrade. And also because I love new features.

Hopefully you'll live to very very old age, because I think it's going to take a very long time.

People always rubbish Microsoft about these things and yet they've got hundreds of thousands of combinations of computers to code for, while Apple has just a handful.

I used Microsoft products for years and years and had less troubles with them than Apple products in just the last 3 years. With all the money Apple has this is intolerable, we can't all be holding it wrong.

I've also had less problems with Android, hard to believe, but very true.
 
Guys, just stop complaining and downgrade again. That's the only way to send a message to Apple to fix this mess, when they can't proclaim higher adoption numbers than iOS 7. The fact that they have still not closed the downgrade window yet makes me think that they are not that confident into iOS 8 either.

Been back on iOS 7.1.2 on my iPhone 5 for about 8 hours now, and I don't regret it. Battery life and performance is great compared to iOS 8. Learned my lesson, no more upgrading to a x.0 release.
 
I turned on family sharing before I saw all the warnings on here. Now I can't download any updates or new apps. I've gone through everything except a full restore. (Reset all settings, held down power + home, signed in and out of the app store etc etc). I can push apps from itunes but even that is a little buggy. Just hoping for 8.0.1 soon.
 
I used Microsoft products for years and years and had less troubles with them than Apple products in just the last 3 years. With all the money Apple has this is intolerable, we can't all be holding it wrong.

I've also had less problems with Android, hard to believe, but very true.

And I've used MS products for more than two decades, and they've consistently given me far more grief than Apple ever has. Just last month, MS' patch Tuesday update farked my work laptop. It wasn't until they pushed a mandatory update last week that this issue got fixed. And that's far from the first time that a simple maintenance update has broken applications or created stability issues.

http://www.zdnet.com/what-went-wrong-with-microsofts-august-updates-7000033089/

And we're even not talking about major OS updates here, which brings their own set of stability and performance issues. Nothing in my many iOS and OS X upgrades and maintenance updates even comes close to the misery that MS has inflicted.
 
Well, I just realized something: I had not upgraded to iOS at the initial release date before, due to a jailbreak I was rocking at that time. This applies to iOS 6 as well as iOS 7, where I had only upgraded after a jailbreak had become available. That's why I don't remember having the same issues before as I had with iOS 8, where I upgraded on day 1 since I am jailbreak free now.

So that's the way to go guys: Only upgrade once a jailbreak is available, that will give Apple enough time to fix the issues. :)
 
Thanks, but I am actually a guy. The name comes from the a certain dragon boss in the Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal computer game. :p

Sorry about that, good sir. I saw somebody else refer to you as Abigail and I let that slip into my post. :cool:
 
And we're even not talking about major OS updates here, which brings its own set of stability and performance issues. Nothing in my many iOS and OS X upgrades and maintenance updates even comes close to the misery that MS has inflicted.

True, but to give some credit to MS, they have deal with a much larger variety of systems, hardware as well as software. Plenty more room for something to go wrong. Looking at the iOS devices, there is only like maybe 15 different devices that support iOS 8, so more thorough testing can be expected.
 
True, but to give some credit to MS, they have deal with a much larger variety of systems, hardware as well as software. Plenty more room for something to go wrong. Looking at the iOS devices, there is only like maybe 15 different devices that support iOS 8, so more thorough testing can be expected.

But, regardless of the reasons, I'm simply indicating that the issues I've encountered with my Mac and iOS devices pale in comparison to what MS has forced me to deal with over the years. The botched August patches were just another in a long line of stability and performance issues that they've created for me over the years.
 
True, but to give some credit to MS, they have deal with a much larger variety of systems, hardware as well as software. Plenty more room for something to go wrong. Looking at the iOS devices, there is only like maybe 15 different devices that support iOS 8, so more thorough testing can be expected.

It may look like that to the average individual. But it's not. Become a licensed OEM for Microsoft and find out.

Microsoft publishes a windows hardware compatibility list. That list is the hardware and components that they write for. And that's it. Guess what, it's not a long list of parts.

Now, that doesn't mean that all machines and parts in those machines are built based on that list. But windows only supports what is on that list. Anything else, and it's up to that hardware company to develop the software to enable that device or component to play nice with windows.

What Microsoft actually supports and writes for is a small list which would shrink the industry to a portion of its size if people followed it. Hence all the drivers and installation cd's that come with the things you buy or add on.

Yes, windows does come preloaded with some drivers. Guess what, those come from device and component manufacturers who want Microsoft to include them.

But, many main boards on the market wouldn't work at all in windows without first installing some patch from its manufacturer.

New computers come with windows installed and all the patches from the manufacturer installed as well.

Try installing windows from a retail package of windows and running it on a new machine without installing any patches or drivers and see how far you get. Go for it. Better hope everything inside that machine came from Microsoft's hardware compatibility list.
 
It would be nice if Apple took a few billion and hired some proper software engineers and overhauled iOS because Jony Ive has made a mess of things. You would think iOS 7 was borderline bad with some poor design choices and iOS 8 is just piling on. I refuse to update any of my iPad's that are running on iOS 7.

Too bad Forstall isn't allowed back. He probably hung the picture of Nelson saying:

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Forstal was genius an now iknow why steive jops was depending on him

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Scott forstal must come back

How many of us misses stability and dedign that was detailed very carefully in IOS 6 the music player , faster animation , etc
Ohhhhh my god please help us
 
Guys, just stop complaining and downgrade again. That's the only way to send a message to Apple to fix this mess, when they can't proclaim higher adoption numbers than iOS 7. The fact that they have still not closed the downgrade window yet makes me think that they are not that confident into iOS 8 either.

I too downgraded back to 7.1.2

Its surprisingly smooth compared to 8
 
Wife's ipad2 is all messed up since the ios8 upgrade. I am looking into how I change it back to ios7.

My iPad2 also became stuttery and jerky after I did an OTA update to iOS8...

I thought it will settle down after a couple of days, but it didn't. Yesterday I wiped my iPad2 clean, and set up a fresh install. It took me a long time to download all my apps one by one, but it was worth it. My experience on the iPad2 is much smoother now...

Wonder if you fresh install on your wife's iPad2, it may help.....
 
But, regardless of the reasons, I'm simply indicating that the issues I've encountered with my Mac and iOS devices pale in comparison to what MS has forced me to deal with over the years. The botched August patches were just another in a long line of stability and performance issues that they've created for me over the years.

You must be the unluckiest guy on the planet, even those August patches weren't that bad. I've had dozens and dozens of Windows computers going back to Windows 3.1 and I've never had any real major dramas and only 2 major virus attacks.

Microsoft never forced you to do anything you could have used Linux or OSX if you really wanted problems and much less ability to do things.
 
You must be the unluckiest guy on the planet, even those August patches weren't that bad. I've had dozens and dozens of Windows computers going back to Windows 3.1 and I've never had any real major dramas and only 2 major virus attacks.

Microsoft never forced you to do anything you could have used Linux or OSX if you really wanted problems and much less ability to do things.

Yeah, let's drag Linux in here. Knew we were forgetting someone. Welcome forgotten stepchild.
 
Apple have kept downgrade to 7.1.2 window open says a lot about Apple's confidence in their own software that is iOS 8 :mad:

I urge everyone to downgrade.
 
Apple have kept downgrade to 7.1.2 window open says a lot about Apple's confidence in their own software that is iOS 8 :mad:

I urge everyone to downgrade.

Or, perhaps it means that they listened to their customers the last time, and are kindly presenting a choice between moving forward and getting left behind as some prefer.
 
Apple have kept downgrade to 7.1.2 window open says a lot about Apple's confidence in their own software that is iOS 8 :mad:

I urge everyone to downgrade.
The fact that they do that for some time with a lot of major releases says what then?
 
Yeah, let's drag Linux in here. Knew we were forgetting someone. Welcome forgotten stepchild.

Actually I was on Linux for two years after a malicious ad let a virus walk right through the latest version of Firefox on a fully updated Windows XP box and EAT MY HARD DRIVE. I don't remember the name of the virus but after two days of trying to get rid of it I finally said duck it, low level formatted with an Ubuntu CD and was so happy to be rid of Microsoft after being stuck on it for 8 years. Then of course Ubuntu blew it with Unity so I just bit the bullet and went to OS X.

Ubuntu had been well on their way to being the desktop of choice around the world until a certain CEO's ego got in the way.
 
It may look like that to the average individual. But it's not. Become a licensed OEM for Microsoft and find out.

Microsoft publishes a windows hardware compatibility list. That list is the hardware and components that they write for. And that's it. Guess what, it's not a long list of parts.

Now, that doesn't mean that all machines and parts in those machines are built based on that list. But windows only supports what is on that list. Anything else, and it's up to that hardware company to develop the software to enable that device or component to play nice with windows.

What Microsoft actually supports and writes for is a small list which would shrink the industry to a portion of its size if people followed it. Hence all the drivers and installation cd's that come with the things you buy or add on.

Yes, windows does come preloaded with some drivers. Guess what, those come from device and component manufacturers who want Microsoft to include them.

But, many main boards on the market wouldn't work at all in windows without first installing some patch from its manufacturer.

New computers come with windows installed and all the patches from the manufacturer installed as well.

Try installing windows from a retail package of windows and running it on a new machine without installing any patches or drivers and see how far you get. Go for it. Better hope everything inside that machine came from Microsoft's hardware compatibility list.

Oh and motherboards and video cards, sound cards and NICs etc all come with their own drivers, so it's a piece of cake setting up a new Windows computer. All you need is the ability to read.
 
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