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Just to set up home sharing in iTunes I've had to authorize and log in to my Apple account.

Which is not what Apple is doing. An Apple ID is free ... why people share their ID is beyond me. One ID = all your devices connected to that one ID and synced with iCloud.
 
We still haven't seen the software features to come with iPhone 5. I'm hoping for something from the Nuance deal.

I agree. But that might be coming in 5.x, or maybe even iOS 6?

on topic: I think people need to realize that Apple indeed copied/used the notification system from Android. It was the best notification system and was very necessary. I've said so before, Apple was playing major catch up and now i believe they have finally caught up. Before iOS 5, i gave the floor to Android, but after today i can proudly say that, iOS > Any other mobile OS atm.

The next few things that need to be fixed would be more voice control AI, and a change in the springboard UI. After that i believe iOS will become like Snow Leopard, where all the big updates have passed and the rest will be convenience fixes and a few upgrades like Lion. (i'm very satisfied with both iOS 5 and Lion, and will be purchasing them both. Don't take offense)

Here's hoping for a nice hardware upgrade for the iPhone 5 as well.
 
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Just to set up home sharing in iTunes I've had to authorize and log in to my Apple account.

Which is not what Apple is doing. An Apple ID is free ... why people share their ID is beyond me. One ID = all your devices connected to that one ID and synced with iCloud.

Whaich is what I already have with my GMail account. I don't account share with anyone, if my wife and I want the same applications from Apple, we both buy a copy. Developer support is a must in my home.

I'm still lost on this not needing to sign in repeatedly. Can you explain how iCloud synchronizes across devices/computers without signing in on multiple devices? How does it know who I am? Its an intriguing feature.
 
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Whaich is what I already have with my GMail account. I don't account share with anyone, if my wife and I want the same applications from Apple, we both buy a copy. Developer support is a must in my home.

I'm still lost on this not needing to sign in repeatedly. Can you explain how iCloud synchronizes across devices/computers without signing in on multiple devices? How does it know who I am? Its an intriguing feature.

To be able to download any apps you log in with your Apple ID ... same with iTunes, Gamecenter - all revolve on one ID. When you set-up your iPhone, currently, you connect it to your Mac and it asks for your ID - before you even use your iPhone. After that, nothing more is ever needed - on any app that might utilize iCloud.

When you get a new iOS device. You set it up with your Apple ID - has all your informations, name, etc.
 
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Whaich is what I already have with my GMail account. I don't account share with anyone, if my wife and I want the same applications from Apple, we both buy a copy. Developer support is a must in my home.

I'm still lost on this not needing to sign in repeatedly. Can you explain how iCloud synchronizes across devices/computers without signing in on multiple devices? How does it know who I am? Its an intriguing feature.

To be able to download any apps you log in with your Apple ID ... same with iTunes, Gamecenter - all revolve on one ID. When you set-up your iPhone, currently, you connect it to your Mac and it asks for your ID - before you even use your iPhone. After that, nothing more is ever needed - on any app that might utilize iCloud.

When you get a new iOS device. You set it up with your Apple ID - has all your informations, name, etc.

Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation Gen.
 
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Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation Gen.

You're welcome.
Now you do the same thing with Google on your multiple devices. Oh wait, you'll have to log in to the separate Googleapps using a browser.
That's my point.
 
Let me know when Google starts to use iCloud (or something like it) to sync your entire computer/mobile world without having the user set anything up or sign-up anywhere, true in-app syncing, for free ... and provide your entire music library for streaming for only $25 a year.

uh, where have you been the last month? I'm currently setup with Google Music Beta, its free, and I can upload more than 20,000 songs, and btw, it can stream music to any Android device or any PC/Mac. You got that right. iCloud doesn't allow streaming.
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i use Google Docs, which can import any major document file format to the cloud. seamlessly syncs with my PC / MBP / DroidX. You can also take a picture of a document and have Google Docs scan it for your (OCR technology) and put it in word format.

i use Google Picasa to upload my photos to the cloud at the tap of a button, seamlessly integrated into Android OS.

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Google's been doing this for years. It seems like iOS users are finally realizing that its been available on Android OS for this long. Theres a reason why Android OS remains popular. Its a productivity powerhouse.
 
You're welcome.
Now you do the same thing with Google on your multiple devices. Oh wait, you'll have to log in to the separate Googleapps using a browser.
That's my point.

I don't use my browser at all to sync to Google's cloud. Why are you spreading misinformation? Theres no logging in at all. Its all synced to your gmail account. Please, if you're going to bash Google, at least do your homework and come prepared.
 
Am I the only Android user here who thinks iOS is so much more elegant? Sure they copied our notification system, but they copied it nice. The animations are so much more fluid and looks much better. iCloud is just seamless and on Android I have to deal with all these folders and file systems.

Just my 2c.

This is spot on. "ease of use", "integrated", "polished", no "system integration", "battery optimized". All this out of the box (in my opinion). That's Apple's game, has been for a very long time. When are people gonna realize this difference between Apple and everyone else? Apple is a very conservative company when it comes to sacrificing on any of these concepts and many others.

If you like to tinker go Android, if Apple's ecosystem doesn't satisfy your needs go Android, there's no problem in doing so

don't get wrapped up in trying to declare one better than the other, there are pros and cons to each, weigh each of them out holistically and decide for yourself. Ultimately the competition means we, the consumers, come out ahead or better than if there wasn't a choice.
 
You're welcome.
Now you do the same thing with Google on your multiple devices. Oh wait, you'll have to log in to the separate Googleapps using a browser.
That's my point.

Okay, I've just tested this and it isn't the case for me.

I cleared all of my Google cookies/settings in Chrome, logged in at google.com then searched for Picasa web albums and after clicking the picasa link in Google, it took me straight to my pictures.

I then did a separate search for Google Docs which took me straight to my Docs account without signing in.

I didn't have to log in to separate Google apps at all, hence the confusion. Perhaps you are mistaken?
 

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To be honest I think that Apple did not do much this year. I say this because I expected them to come up with an Innovation that no one else had/had access to. I just feel disappointed that nothing new was brought to the table all they did add is stuff that every one else had in some way or another. This is coming from someone who can be called an google fanboy. ( i figure my self more of a Tech fanboy) I think apple could have done better.
 
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One, turning more services over time is a pain and very inconvenient.
Google Music is in beta - do you know how many people are currently allowed to use it for free?

Which applications by Google can you sync all at ones without having to use their web-applications?
Google services and iCloud are completely different. iCloud is applications specific and requires no effort, activation, or set-up by the user. Googleapps, require you to log-in to web-based applications. Completely different ball game.

I can use my Mac (or Windows), turn it off and switch to any iOS device and all of my work is the same - and I didn't have to log in to any sites since all of my data is being pushed through iCloud to all my devices. True application-specific integration trumps web-based applications that require a browser.

If you have ever signed up for any of the services over the years you would learned it is not that hard to turn them on. For example when I set up Google voice firs time it assumed the account I was going to uses was the gmail account I was log in and just requested my password and boom turned on and link to that account. Docs, calendar, reader, and books I know for a fact are automatically activated with a gmail account. Voice and Picasa have to be added but again that assume it will be the gmail account you are currently logged in with.

As for my phone it is set up a gmail account (just like an Apple ID for that device needs to be set up/link to it) and then when I add things like Picasa all it ask first time I turn it on is what account from the phone (my case my gmail account) and then hit next and boom done. Just first time it is turn on. This in theory would allow me to have multiple gmail accounts on my phone and have them for different things.

As for Google music safe to say that it will be free for the next 3-4 years and will always be cheaper than what Apple offers and safe to say over time will work on all devices.

I wonder if Apple is ever going to offer a service like Google voice. I keep waiting for Apple to add a automatic transcrib your voice mails for free. I know I sure as hell will never pay AT&T to do that for me when I have google doing it for free.

You're welcome.
Now you do the same thing with Google on your multiple devices. Oh wait, you'll have to log in to the separate Googleapps using a browser.
That's my point.

ummm no you don't. Once you are logged in to Gmail all your google service linked to that account are logged in. That simple.
 
Oh I thought catch up was a mis-spelling of the next version of the android OS after ice cream sandwich. IE Android Ketchup.
 
um, don't feel threatened sir. my Droid X with a custom kernel can do 24+ hours of battery life no problems. If i want more, I can easily switch to an extended battery. Swappable batteries. Gotta love Android for that.

I find it odd that some Apple enthusiasts do not believe that Android OS can get 24+ hours of battery life with moderate-heavy usage.

Droid X with light usage.
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Droid X with heavy usage I easily get about 30 hours on extended battery.

Feel threatened? i couldn't care less either way. But you're bending real world truth. That screenshot means nothing because "...custom kernel...extended battery" That and "phone idle" "cell standby"? of course you'll last two days. The thing that sucks juice the most (the 4.3" screen) only made up 14% of usage i.e. your screen was mostly off. Yah...heavy use indeed.

Also the average user isn't gonna root their phone so they will never get close to that battery life.

Theres a reason why Android OS remains popular. Its a productivity powerhouse.

Funny, i thought it was because it was available on every carrier at every price point. But hey, what do i know.
 
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Feel threatened? i couldn't care less either way. You're just bending real world truth. That screenshot means nothing because "...custom kernel...extended battery" That and "phone idle" "cell standby"? of course you'll last two days. The thing that sucks juice the most (the 4.3" screen) only made up 14% of usage i.e. your screen was mostly off. Yah...heavy use indeed.

Also the average user isn't gonna root their phone so they will never get close to that battery life.

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I am pulling 24 hour+ off my Android phone with normal usage. now yes by the time I go to bed the battery is often times at 30% but going 8 hours on idle screen off is not really that much battery power. the screen is the biggest drainer.

Do you feel so threaten that you have to bash android phone not believing that can make a day. For a cell phone as long as it goes from when I get up to when I go to bed on a single charge of little heavier than normal usage I have always been happy. This has been the way I have been since well I got my first phone. charge it at night use it during the day.

BTW you passed over his voice call at 34%. So 34% on voice calls is pretty good all things considering. That is a fair amount of time on the phone.
 
I have an iPhone and will probably never use a droid phone so why should i care what features those phones have?

iOS 5 is a big step on iOS 4 and i'm happy as larry.
 
I am pulling 24 hour+ off my Android phone with normal usage. now yes by the time I go to bed the battery is often times at 30% but going 8 hours on idle screen off is not really that much battery power. the screen is the biggest drainer.

Do you feel so threaten that you have to bash android phone not believing that can make a day. For a cell phone as long as it goes from when I get up to when I go to bed on a single charge of little heavier than normal usage I have always been happy. This has been the way I have been since well I got my first phone. charge it at night use it during the day.

BTW you passed over his voice call at 34%. So 34% on voice calls is pretty good all things considering. That is a fair amount of time on the phone.

If you read the thread you would find out i said "No Device" (smartphone device) in general can reach 24+ with serious usage. light/moderate use-yes, heavy use-no. I didn't say Android exclusively can't get to 24+ whilst others can. 34% voice call isn't that impressive and is in fact just about right for most competent smart phones phones out there if you have good signal.
 
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One, turning more services over time is a pain and very inconvenient.
Google Music is in beta - do you know how many people are currently allowed to use it for free?

Which applications by Google can you sync all at ones without having to use their web-applications?
Google services and iCloud are completely different. iCloud is applications specific and requires no effort, activation, or set-up by the user. Googleapps, require you to log-in to web-based applications. Completely different ball game.

I can use my Mac (or Windows), turn it off and switch to any iOS device and all of my work is the same - and I didn't have to log in to any sites since all of my data is being pushed through iCloud to all my devices. True application-specific integration trumps web-based applications that require a browser.

Google Music? I have it a bunch of my friends have it. Google like a bunch of D**ks sent out a couple thousand invites half way through Apple's Keynote.

Sign up to be a beta tester you'll get an invite in two weeks. Its really cool. I like it so far. It works perfectly with my phone and it even stream on my Throttled 3g. (I spend the summer helping my mother at her home so I have to tether to get online. Unlimited internet goes fast when you tether lol)
 
Ya'll need to get off that "Apple copied Android" train and vice versa. How old are you kids really?

I've seen this notification system back in the early 2000's with BB, Windows Mobile (touch and non touch), and much more.

Who the hell cares if Apple decided to use the same format...
 
Only things keeping me from getting an Android phone is -

Security issues always popping up
Poor battery life
Paid apps on iTunes (granted, I could just pirate them again on Android, but wouldn't be right)
 
Only things keeping me from getting an Android phone is -

Security issues always popping up
Poor battery life
Paid apps on iTunes (granted, I could just pirate them again on Android, but wouldn't be right)

1. Android has had no more security issues than iOS.
2. True. But then I can just pop in a spare one. Try doing that with your phone.
3. A real problem, but this cost is insignificant if Android is good for you.
 
Can we please stop this ridiculous discussion regarding who copied who? If you must insist on this argument, then you're all wrong: virtually every major element of every UI we use now arose from Xerox.

Besides, there are only so many ways one can efficiently perform an information processing task using a UI. They will all converge at some point.

In the mean time I am glad that Apple has added new features. :D
 
1. Android has had no more security issues than iOS.

You actually typed that with a straight face?

Do a little reading. Many, many, Android apps have security holes. Almost every week I'm reading something about new vulnerabilities being found. The Android Market has a lax vetting process.
 
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