iOS5 = catchup from Android OS

[ChazUK]

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Can we please stop this ridiculous discussion regarding who copied who? If you must insist on this argument, then you're all wrong: virtually every major element of every UI we use now arose from Xerox.

Besides, there are only so many ways one can efficiently perform an information processing task using a UI. They will all converge at some point.

In the mean time I am glad that Apple has added new features.

In that case, do those same rules apply to Samsung & Touchwiz?

 

[Compile 'em all]

So what?
The iPhone wasn't first, but it's the most usable. I don't even bother with Android copy/paste as the process of text selection lies somewhere along the pain spectrum between having your teeth pulled and being kicked in the groin.

LOL

So yeah, you can criticize Apple for not being first with some of these features, but at least they'll get them right.

/thread

 

[Tres]

Hi guys,

I've been reading this thread with some interest, and I think I've found the perfect solution. After giving it some thought, I think the best thing would be for Android users to switch to a Windows Mobile 6.5 handset:

Hope this helps

 

[ChazUK]

Hi guys,

I've been reading this thread with some interest, and I think I've found the perfect solution. After giving it some thought, I think the best thing would be for Android users to switch to a Windows Mobile 6.5 handset:

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Hope this helps

None of that applies to my Nexus S. Suxx to be me!

 

[Tres]

None of that applies to my Nexus S. Suxx to be me!

Except it runs a linux so yeah I guess it does.

 

[ChazUK]

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None of that applies to my Nexus S. Suxx to be me!

Except it runs a linux so yeah I guess it does.

You just made a grown man well up with joy. Now I don't feel so left out.

Thank you!

 

[maflynn]

And all those are web-applications that require you to log-in on each device.
iCloud syncs everything automatically without you having to sign-in or use any web-applications. Everything is done in the background and through the specific applications.

You mean with iOS you don't have to log in to your iCloud, there will be no authentication

 

[darkcurse]

So, how exactly does this negatively affect you as an end user? iOS 5 has "new and shiny things" wow, sucks to be me/them.

 

[wovel]

Feel threatened? i couldn't care less either way. But you're bending real world truth. That screenshot means nothing because "...custom kernel...extended battery" That and "phone idle" "cell standby"? of course you'll last two days. The thing that sucks juice the most (the 4.3" screen) only made up 14% of usage i.e. your screen was mostly off. Yah...heavy use indeed.

Also the average user isn't gonna root their phone so they will never get close to that battery life.



Funny, i thought it was because it was available on every carrier at every price point. But hey, what do i know.

You don't need the screen, it has no apps. My moto v880 had a 7 day battery

 

[Rodimus Prime]

If you read the thread you would find out i said "No Device" (smartphone device) in general can reach 24+ with serious usage. light/moderate use-yes, heavy use-no. I didn't say Android exclusively can't get to 24+ whilst others can. 34% voice call isn't that impressive and is in fact just about right for most competent smart phones phones out there if you have good signal.

Oh I will give you I only know of a handful of smart phones out there that can pull an entire day with very heavy use and even then that is really pushing limits and iffy at best. I am not talking 24 hours here but just wake until sleep and that list does not include the iPhone. The iPhone heavy usage is with in what I call normal and I know and have killed and iPhone battery in about 3 -4 hours.
Some phones on that list of day with heavy usage are blackberry 9700 and Samsung Infuse. 9700 has the blqckberry power management with a huge battery and the infuse comes from reports I have read from multiple bloggers who have said they were shocked making it thru each day at Google IO on a single battery. A group who all said that events like that they are used to having to swap batteries or phones throughout the day.
I have an Atrix and when I was at the hospital with my dad one day I went out and bought an extra charger because I wiped the phone out in the morning but running it pretty much nonstop all morning tends to do any phone in

 

[aohus]

Feel threatened? i couldn't care less either way. But you're bending real world truth. That screenshot means nothing because "...custom kernel...extended battery" That and "phone idle" "cell standby"? of course you'll last two days. The thing that sucks juice the most (the 4.3" screen) only made up 14% of usage i.e. your screen was mostly off. Yah...heavy use indeed.

I'm on stock Gingerbread on my DroidX and easily get 30 hours of battery life with heavy usage, with the only custom change I made is hot swapping with an extended battery. Something an iPhone cannot do. You should probably read the caption I wrote for that screenshot. That screenshot was from light usage. I even mentioned it. You didn't 'get' me there budster.

Also the average user isn't gonna root their phone so they will never get close to that battery life.

Oh? Even on stock DroidX running Gingerbread the user will easily last a full day on stock battery. Were there battery issues upon first release of DroidX? Yeah. But Google's OTA updates throughout the months have drastically improved the look and feel, and usability of DroidX, and its a year old, and updates will continue for years as long as TI OMAP (DroidX processor) is supported by Google.

Funny, i thought it was because it was available on every carrier at every price point. But hey, what do i know.

Right. and if the battery life were that horrible folks would return their Android phones in a heartbeat. Looks like its not happening in a mass scale. Additionally, theres so much choice with Android. Don't like one Android phone? No probs, I'll just get a different Android phone that fits my needs without having to switch carriers.

 

[daneoni]

Oh I will give you I only know of a handful of smart phones out there that can pull an entire day with very heavy use and even then that is really pushing limits and iffy at best. I am not talking 24 hours here but just wake until sleep and that list does not include the iPhone. The iPhone heavy usage is with in what I call normal and I know and have killed and iPhone battery in about 3 -4 hours.
Some phones on that list of day with heavy usage are blackberry 9700 and Samsung Infuse. 9700 has the blqckberry power management with a huge battery and the infuse comes from reports I have read from multiple bloggers who have said they were shocked making it thru each day at Google IO on a single battery. A group who all said that events like that they are used to having to swap batteries or phones throughout the day.
I have an Atrix and when I was at the hospital with my dad one day I went out and bought an extra charger because I wiped the phone out in the morning but running it pretty much nonstop all morning tends to do any phone in

-BlackBerry power management is legendary but lets not forget it is usually powering a small screen and the UI isn't exactly graphics intensive. Everything is messaging.
-Infuse packs a larger than average battery.
-I dunno what you're doing with your iPhone but with my moderate to high usage throughout a day (heavy usage is heavy usage there is no special type for any device), I usually end up getting 17-18hrs on a good day before the phone is about to die...sometimes a little bit more. This has only been beaten by a blackberry. The rest are about the same and usually crap out after 13-16hrs.

I'm on stock Gingerbread on my DroidX and easily get 30 hours of battery life with heavy usage, with the only custom change I made is hot swapping with an extended battery. Something an iPhone cannot do. You should probably read the caption I wrote for that screenshot. That screenshot was from light usage. I even mentioned it. You didn't 'get' me there budster.

If we are talking extended batteries then technically iPhone has this. Also maybe i missed it but the original implied statement was "i get 24+ hrs on my Evo with heavy usage". No mention of with extended battery...

With a good kernel, I am getting 24+ battery life on my EVO with heavy use. Just nerds a stable ROM installed to bring out the best of Android, and that is what I love about Android, the endless customization, and different ROM's to play around with.

But its cool that iOS has finally caught up to Android of 2009.

...a misleading statement.

Oh? Even on stock DroidX running Gingerbread the user will easily last a full day on stock battery. Were there battery issues upon first release of DroidX? Yeah. But Google's OTA updates throughout the months have drastically improved the look and feel, and usability of DroidX, and its a year old, and updates will continue for years as long as TI OMAP (DroidX processor) is supported by Google.

I wasn't debating that. Any current decent smart phone will get you a day worth of usage but not 24 hrs of heavy usage. Your point?

Right. and if the battery life were that horrible folks would return their Android phones in a heartbeat. Looks like its not happening in a mass scale. Additionally, theres so much choice with Android. Don't like one Android phone? No probs, I'll just get a different Android phone that fits my needs without having to switch carriers.

...which is awesome. So what are we arguing about here? I didn't say battery life was horrible on Android (standard day-use affair), i was simply debating the 24+ claim. Android is popular because of choice not because its the most productive OS (thats your subjective opinion)...which is what i said in the first place. Doesn't mean i hate choice...i'm all for choice.

 

[OnTheZone]

I had an iphone 3g, 3gs, and 4 but i sold my iphone 4 for a inspire 4g and was that a mistake. Android is buggy and a battery killer with poor hardware quality, ios maybe behind on feature but in the end, it just works!! The only feature my inspire has over the ios is widgets and to be honest, i have grown to hate them because all they do is sit in your memory or run in the background which hurts your battery life. The apps on android arent supported by every phone like netflix i still cant get. Btw my adobe flash still doesnt show video only audio, thanks adobe for wasting my battery on ads.

 

[marksman]

And all those are web-applications that require you to log-in on each device.
iCloud syncs everything automatically without you having to sign-in or use any web-applications. Everything is done in the background and through the specific applications.



One, turning more services over time is a pain and very inconvenient.
Google Music is in beta - do you know how many people are currently allowed to use it for free?

Which applications by Google can you sync all at ones without having to use their web-applications?
Google services and iCloud are completely different. iCloud is applications specific and requires no effort, activation, or set-up by the user. Googleapps, require you to log-in to web-based applications. Completely different ball game.

I can use my Mac (or Windows), turn it off and switch to any iOS device and all of my work is the same - and I didn't have to log in to any sites since all of my data is being pushed through iCloud to all my devices. True application-specific integration trumps web-based applications that require a browser.

I agree that Google's web based solution is way more clunkier and way less seemless than Apple's and I don't know if that is going to change any time soon as Google is really in love with a web-based world.

I do like that some people still think carrying around an extra battery and never using their phone to get normal battery life is an acceptable solution like it is 2004 or something.

Here is a little hint.. I have my iPhone 4, I use it all the time and I have never had to worry about the battery a single time.

I don't think about it. I don't have to do anything special to my phone, I don't need a hot-swappable car battery, I don't need to "tweak" my software. Nothing, nada, zilch. Don't give it a second thought, ever, and it always has juice.

The fact that people with android phones have to think about their battery life and plan their battery life is evidence enough they are significantly behind the curve when it comes to battery life.

 

[OnTheZone]

I'm on stock Gingerbread on my DroidX and easily get 30 hours of battery life with heavy usage, with the only custom change I made is hot swapping with an extended battery. Something an iPhone cannot do. You should probably read the caption I wrote for that screenshot. That screenshot was from light usage. I even mentioned it. You didn't 'get' me there budster.

With a 30 hour battery life comes a brick of a phone, i have people at my work that make phone calls all day on there evo with extended battery and stock that barely makes it 12 hours. Your probally only running one led out of 3 for the screen. Are you running cm7? Thats the only way to be able to pull that time.

 

[maclaptop]

Apple is eager to catch up to Android.

Unable to innovate as effectively as Google, Apple Copies Android.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/229611/ios_5_5_blatant_android_ripoffs.html

 

[OnTheZone]

I agree that Google's web based solution is way more clunkier and way less seemless than Apple's and I don't know if that is going to change any time soon as Google is really in love with a web-based world.

I do like that some people still think carrying around an extra battery and never using their phone to get normal battery life is an acceptable solution like it is 2004 or something.

Here is a little hint.. I have my iPhone 4, I use it all the time and I have never had to worry about the battery a single time.

I don't think about it. I don't have to do anything special to my phone, I don't need a hot-swappable car battery, I don't need to "tweak" my software. Nothing, nada, zilch. Don't give it a second thought, ever, and it always has juice.

The fact that people with android phones have to think about their battery life and plan their battery life is evidence enough they are significantly behind the curve when it comes to battery life.

I 100% agree, i miss that feeling of not worring about my battery life. My inspire 4g has 60% battery life by the end of the day and thats with 2 batteries but with my iphone 4 i would of had 70% by the end of the day.

 

[OnTheZone]

Apple is eager to catch up to Android.

Unable to innovate as effectively as Google, Apple Copies Android.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/229611/ios_5_5_blatant_android_ripoffs.html

They copied android because of a stupid pull down menu? Thats just dumb, whats next?! The tabs are a copy off of windows internet explorer? That was a bunch of stupid reasons on that link.

 

[aohus]

With a 30 hour battery life comes a brick of a phone, i have people at my work that make phone calls all day on there evo with extended battery and stock that barely makes it 12 hours. Your probally only running one led out of 3 for the screen. Are you running cm7? Thats the only way to be able to pull that time.

i'm running stock rooted gingerbread overclocked at 1.2ghz, and undervolted. so i get faster speeds using less battery life.

i'm also running sysctl scripts that made a dramatic improvement in battery life.

It sounds complex, but all of these configuration changes were done on DroidX Overclock App with relative ease.

I 100% agree, i miss that feeling of not worring about my battery life. My inspire 4g has 60% battery life by the end of the day and thats with 2 batteries but with my iphone 4 i would of had 70% by the end of the day.

You should be blaming your carriers 4G network along with its radio kernels for the bad battery life. Disabling 4G would drastically improve your battery life.

 

[kapolani]

i'm running stock rooted gingerbread overclocked at 1.2ghz, and undervolted. so i get faster speeds using less battery life.

So you have to do all this to make your phone work?

How interesting.

 

[kalex]

Except it runs a linux so yeah I guess it does.

And what do u think IOS runs? Magic mushrooms?

You're welcome.
Now you do the same thing with Google on your multiple devices. Oh wait, you'll have to log in to the separate Googleapps using a browser.
That's my point.

If you don't know what you are talking about then keep it quite, no point of spreading false info.

 

[kapolani]

Right. and if the battery life were that horrible folks would return their Android phones in a heartbeat. Looks like its not happening in a mass scale. Additionally, theres so much choice with Android. Don't like one Android phone? No probs, I'll just get a different Android phone that fits my needs without having to switch carriers.

That's the thing.

You have to get one that 'fits your needs.'

How about crappy looking apps? With a bigger selection comes more fragmentation. Google itself has finally admitted to it. You ever wonder why some apps look like a hackjob on an Android phone?

 

[aohus]

So you have to do all this to make your phone work?

How interesting.

nope! works fine on stock gingerbread too. fortunately as an android user i have the choice to modify CPU voltages and overclock/undervolt since Android is open source.

I love that Google gives the user the choice to tweak. There is no need to modify anything on Gingerbread. I find Gingerbread update to be the most stable, refined build of Android OS. I'm really looking forward to Ice Cream sandwich coming out in Q4 when it fuses Honeycomb + Gingerbread together.

 

[kapolani]

If you don't know what you are talking about then keep it quite, no point of spreading false info.

How do your Android phones deal with 2-step verification?

I'm curious...

 

[kapolani]

nope! works fine on stock gingerbread too. fortunately as an android user i have the choice to modify CPU voltages and overclock/undervolt since Android is open source.

So?

Do you actually see a performance gain by over clocking? I doubt it.

I love that Google gives the user the choice to tweak. There is no need to modify anything on Gingerbread. I find Gingerbread update to be the most stable, refined build of Android OS. I'm really looking forward to Ice Cream sandwich coming out in Q4 when it fuses Honeycomb + Gingerbread together.

I can tweak to my hearts content.

Jailbreaking is similar to rooting...

How long until you'll be able to update?