iOS5 = catchup from Android OS

[aohus]

That's the thing.

You have to get one that 'fits your needs.'

How about crappy looking apps? With a bigger selection comes more fragmentation. Google itself has finally admitted to it. You ever wonder why some apps look like a hackjob on an Android phone?

Its not 'you have to' get one that fits your needs, its more like 'you have choices' that fit your needs. Do you know how many users in here complain about wanting to get a bigger screen on their iPhone? Lots. But you're at the whim of Apple's updates, which come sparingly.

I had no idea that choice was a bad thing. After all, 'choice' is literally an American capitalistic idea. Give consumers choice. Users will pick based on what they like.

The 'crappy looking apps' is an outdated argument for Android. Maybe a year ago? Maturation of 'blue chip' apps on Android have aesthetically improved dramatically. Additionally, theres also tons of 'crappy looking apps' in Apple's App Store as well.

 

[Jimmy James]

Yep nothing major at all!!...im due to upgrade all my 27 iphone4's in a couple of weeks,sorry apple nothing there to keep me,a few of my employees are using Android phones as their own personal phones as well as there company iphones,so i'll be having a word to find the best android model i think...very very underwhelmed,that was a load of overhyped rubbish im afraid!

Your employees will continue to buy their own Android phones because you purchased the wrong one, or because a much better model will be released 3 months later. They're obviously very particular if getting a free iPhone and plan isn't enough.

 

[aohus]

So?

Do you actually see a performance gain by over clocking? I doubt it.

Are you being serious? Yes. I see a huge, unequivocal increase in speed after overclocking. Its just like overclocking your desktop computer. You notice a huge difference.

I can tweak to my hearts content.

Jailbreaking is similar to rooting...

Um, even with a jailbroken iPhone you cannot undervolt your phone or underclock/overclock it neither. Its the negative to a proprietary locked down Operating System compared to Google's linux based open source software.

 

[kapolani]

Its not 'you have to' get one that fits your needs, its more like 'you have choices' that fit your needs. Do you know how many users in here complain about wanting to get a bigger screen on their iPhone? Lots. But you're at the whim of Apple's updates, which come sparingly.

When the updates do come you can upgrade immediately. Not so with Android. Often times you have to wait a year or more.

I had no idea that choice was a bad thing. After all, 'choice' is literally an American capitalistic idea. Give consumers choice. Users will pick based on what they like.

Never said it's a bad thing. The problem is with more choices you have more support issues. Have you tried coding a simple app for Android? I have. Having to test with the emulator to see how the app will display on different builds can become tedious.

As a developer why would I want to deal with supporting legacy builds, often times 2 ~ 3 builds old?

The 'crappy looking apps' is an outdated argument for Android. Maybe a year ago? Maturation of 'blue chip' apps on Android have aesthetically improved dramatically. Additionally, theres also tons of 'crappy looking apps' in the App Store as well.

Facebook.

 

[kapolani]

Are you being serious? Yes. I see a huge, unequivocal increase in speed after overclocking. Its just like overclocking your desktop computer. You notice a huge difference.

I can see an increase when speeding up the UI.

Have you actually run some type of bench mark test?

What do you have to overclock for? Is your base phone so slow that overclocking is needed?

Um, even with a jailbroken iPhone you cannot undervolt your phone or underclock/overclock it neither. Its the negative to a proprietary locked down Operating System compared to Google's linux based open source software.

I didn't say you can overclock with jailbreaking.

I just said they are similar. To do some of these extra things to an Android phone people will root it. Do you disagree?

 

[OnTheZone]

i'm running stock rooted gingerbread overclocked at 1.2ghz, and undervolted. so i get faster speeds using less battery life.

i'm also running sysctl scripts that made a dramatic improvement in battery life.

It sounds complex, but all of these configuration changes were done on DroidX Overclock App with relative ease.
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You said the only custom change you got is extended battery. With all those setting i would call BS on heavy usage unless you running only one led which helps your battery life a lot. What do you consider heavy usage?

My phone is rooted with no bloatware and under volted stock speeds. I would probably get 5 hours on heavy battery usage with a 1230 mAH battery.

You should be blaming your carriers 4G network along with its radio kernels for the bad battery life. Disabling 4G would drastically improve your battery life.

My "4G" carrier is HSPA+ not LTE, so its no different than 3G network. I looked up the battery usage GSM vs CDMA and GSM is supposted to get better battery life than CDMA, so what would that have to do with anything?

 

[ChazUK]

Facebook.

I had this discussion with someone else on another forum.

Can you explain to me what is crappy looking about the below screenshots compared to their iOS counterparts? (Apologies for the epic screenshot list, the bbcode is from another forum I frequent)

 

[kapolani]

I had this discussion with someone else on another forum.

Can you explain to me what is crappy looking about the below screenshots compared to their iOS counterparts? (Apologies for the epic screenshot list, the bbcode is from another forum I frequent)


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What phone do you have?

It doesn't look like that on my friend's phone. It looks like a kid developed it using VB.

 

[ChazUK]

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I had this discussion with someone else on another forum.

Can you explain to me what is crappy looking about the below screenshots compared to their iOS counterparts? (Apologies for the epic screenshot list, the bbcode is from another forum I frequent)


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What phone do you have?

It doesn't look like that on my friend's phone. It looks like a kid developed it using VB.

I'm running both a Nexus S and a ZTE Blade.

The Facebook app was atrocious but has improved immensely on Android.

 

[OnTheZone]

What phone do you have?

It doesn't look like that on my friend's phone. It looks like a kid developed it using VB.

Thats the way it looks on my inspire 4g too. They have come a long way since my nexus one. What phone does your friend have?

 

[aohus]

When the updates do come you can upgrade immediately. Not so with Android. Often times you have to wait a year or more.

Thats just completely false. I find it odd that you make such bold statements with such confidence when they're clearly false.

I have received more than 4 OTA updates from my Android device, all within less than a year, and these OTA updates are huge enhancements. Not piece-meal updates that iOS gives out. Additionally, Google will be taking more control over OTA updates across all carriers and android devices in the very near future.

Never said it's a bad thing. The problem is with more choices you have more support issues. Have you tried coding a simple app for Android? I have. Having to test with the emulator to see how the app will display on different builds can become tedious.

As a developer why would I want to deal with supporting legacy builds, often times 2 ~ 3 builds old?

I'm surprised that you develop for Android yet you know so little about how Android OS works based on your previous comments. SDK Toolkits for Android is improving at a phenomenal rate. Ice Cream sandwich come later this year will resolve those issues. Yes, its an issue, and Googles working on it religiously. Its what happens when you play nice with everyone in the mobile industry.

I can see an increase when speeding up the UI.

Have you actually run some type of bench mark test?

What do you have to overclock for? Is your base phone so slow that overclocking is needed?

Yeah, the standard bearer of Android OS benchmarks is Quadrant. I can give you a before and after screenshot if needed, but even benchmarks aren't even all that accurate in terms of real world usage. Applying an overclock and using the device speeds up everything. From games, to apps, to videos, to webpage rendering. Is my 1ghz single core TI OMAP processor fast enough? yeah. but theres always room for improvement

its like, yeah, my Bimmer 335i is fast enough, but I'll get that Vishnu Procede chip installed to give me that extra 125+ HP, except that its only .99 cents.

Facebook.

You're basing your entire judgment of 3rd party apps from a single application? Interesting. I don't even use facebook. Additionally, like the other poster said, Facebook for Android has improved dramatically, and its a Facebook issue, not Google issue. Blame the app developer.

 

[kenypowa]

What phone do you have?

It doesn't look like that on my friend's phone. It looks like a kid developed it using VB.

Most likely it's a third party facebook app. I have both iPhone 4 and Nexus One and the Facebook app are pretty much identical.

 

[kalex]

How do your Android phones deal with 2-step verification?

I'm curious...

2 options. one is u disable it or second option which is what I use is to generate one time password that you use to login to your google account from the phone. all the google apps work based of your account. every app doesn't require separate login. You can also have multiple google accounts on the phone and switch to them on the fly. If your phone is ever lost or stolen you login to the google account page and revoke that password.

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

Well, honestly... most of the revolutionary stuff is already in there.

And that's exactly my point. Neither Andoid or iOS are pushing out revolutionary stuff right now but the TS feels the need to blast Apple. iOS 5 is a soiled upgrade.

 

[Tarzanman]

So?
Do you actually see a performance gain by over clocking? I doubt it.
I can tweak to my hearts content.
Jailbreaking is similar to rooting...
How long until you'll be able to update?

Jailbreaking is less useful than rooting. Jailbreaking lets you add Cydia and a few other choice apps and modifications.

Rooting allows you to replace the entire operating system on the phone. Each popular android phone has at least 2 or 3 different flavors of ROMs available to them. They let you do things like change your radio firmware, alter the file system of the phone or get rid of carrier-installed applications.

If anything, Jailbreak is like having a single ROM that slightly modifies iOS because Apple does not willingly publish their code.

I am not knocking Jailbreaking, just pointing out that it is more limited than rooting.

 

[sk1wbw]

Nothing revolutionary in iOS5. Not even evolutionary. This is all the same rehashed stuff that their competitors offered for 1+ years.

Just my take, but i feel iOS5 is completely underwhelming

Well, I'll deal without the trojans on the Android store.

 

[aohus]

Well, I'll deal without the trojans on the Android store.

ok, i'll stick with an alarm clock that works, and a phone thats not made of all glass. durability fail if i ever seen one. at least with the 'trojans' that you're talking about, thats something what we would call, PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). Its an end user issue.

 

[iphone1105]

ok, i'll stick with an alarm clock that works, and a phone thats not made of all glass. durability fail if i ever seen one. at least with the 'trojans' that you're talking about, thats something what we would call, PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). Its an end user issue.

Not to pick a fight or get involved, but my wifey has dropped her all glass iP4 at least 10 times, on all sorts of hard materials and its in great shape. Also, I've never had an alarm clock issue, never once failed...fwiw

 

[aohus]

Not to pick a fight or get involved, but my wifey has dropped her all glass iP4 at least 10 times, on all sorts of hard materials and its in great shape. Also, I've never had an alarm clock issue, never once failed...fwiw

iOS has/had issues with Daylight savings time and Alarm Clocks conflicting. This issue occurred at least twice, and was even on the frontpage of CNN and MSNBC as there are many iPhone users globally.

As for the iP4, the accident rate is much higher than its predecessor, the iPhone 3GS. I never had a problem iPhone 3GS, had tons of issues with iP4 with its attenuation and durability issues.

 

[FranksWildYears]

So what?

I own an Android phone and an iPhone. From my experience, Apple takes their time catching up with features but Google takes their time catching up with polish and usability. On paper, feature-for-feature, Android looks like it blows iOS away but in practice, it's far less definitive. Take copy and paste as an example. The iPhone wasn't first, but it's the most usable. I don't even bother with Android copy/paste as the process of text selection lies somewhere along the pain spectrum between having your teeth pulled and being kicked in the groin.

So yeah, you can criticize Apple for not being first with some of these features, but at least they'll get them right.

That's exactly it for me. I have an iPad and a HTC Desire (previous iPhone owner) and while there's an array of additional options on Android, I find that I do a heck of a lot less with that phone than I did my iPhone, because it's not nearly as intuitive or pleasurable to operate. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but it's an incontrovertible fact that even the supposedly polished Android overlays are incredibly rough around the edges in comparison to iOS.

It's also too fragmented. There's no good reason - it's literally impossible for anyone to come up with a good reason - why a phone that's a year old still hasn't received the update to the latest version of the OS. So many good ideas, but the whole Android eco-system needs to be reigned in and tightened up, there's no question about that.

 

[harry20larry]

*yawn*
Same s?!?, different thread

 

[brayhite]

Google was the first to fragment OSs across, at this time, probably close to 100 different devices.

Google was the first to allow makers of phones control when the latest OS updates can be applied to their hardware.

Google was the first to allow the everyday consumer, not devs, get buggy, near-beta versions of their OSs.

Google was the first to get Flash.. and render it nearly useless on a mobile device.

Let's hope if Apple decides to copy any of these, they do them right too

I'm in no way saying Apple is original and completely innovative with iOS 5. But to sit here and say Apple is just copying the competitors is ridiculous. They have a tendency of waiting until everything is nearly perfect before releasing it. This can result in delayed releases of features.

So if you ask me, I'd rather have features that "just work" than features that "just work.. some of the time."

 

[Jagardn]

My phone is better than yours!!
No, mine is better than yours!!!
Same **** different day...

 

[Reach9]

My phone is better than yours!!
No, mine is better than yours!!!
Same **** different day...

Agreed.

Rule of thumb is, don't copy something that is patented.

 

[kdarling]

Yep, the Facebook versions are very similar now.

HTC takes it a step further, by optionally automatically integrating Facebook contacts and birthdays into your phone's list and calendar. (Thank goodness! I would've forgotten my daughter-in-law's birthday, otherwise.)

HTC also has a Facebook widget which I just started using because all my kids are on there now, and I can spot what they're doing, and where, with a glance.

And of course, Android lets you easily integrate all sorts of social site target intents as "send to" options everywhere.

Basically, every app I use on iOS is available on Android, and look pretty much the same on both. (With the obvious exception that navigation can be a bit different.... iOS relies on the upper left button, whereas Android has a hardware Back button plus a menu button.)