iPad 3 to be Same Price and Same 16GB/32GB/64GB Sizes as iPad 2

[blow45]

Not only did I read your post, but I went back and read many of your other posts on other topics. They are so remarkably consistency. Not only are they consistently argumentative, but also filled with troll bait. And not only did I allow myself to respond to someone with nothing better to do than gin up arguments.

I, like an idiot, picked to respond to one of the best.

I congratulate you on your commitment to your craft. And I have some good news, I have changed my opinion to match yours. On everything.

Enjoy the rest of your trolling. Slow Clap.

First of all welcome to the forums, I can't say I am honoured you went to the trouble of reading my post history, feels like I m being stalked, but something incited you I am sure, maybe my being argumentative. Thanks for changing your opinion to match mine, sarcasm noted but not appreciated. Maybe if you d read my posts attentively enough you 'd understand that I am not here to conveince anyone but I do appreciate a good counter argument. If you have one on the topic at hand let's hear it. Unlike some posters I am not posting here for religious or apologist reasons, but it's very convenient that you would try to offend me by calling me troll because you disagree with my opinions.

Of course to put forth your own arguments on why you 'd think 16gbs is ample space for the last generation of the iPad would be beside the point since you are on a mission to uncover apple's hidden enemies here.

 

[taxiapple]

!6 GB is enough
What could one possibly want on a table to need more space than that?

How about photos, maybe some videos, especially if you are a professional photographer.
Why be limited to some music...I'd like to have my complete library available.

I could easily fill a 256GB tablet.

And the cloud is not a viable option at least for me.

 

[Shanpdx]

Any more blurry cam pictures?

what happens with the iPod touch?

also, I want to see much cheaper unlocked iPhone 4 8GB and let us see.

 

[blow45]

I haven't seen anyone make the sensible argument and state that the flash memory sizes are picked for battery life or the NAND manufacturers don't have any. The current iPhone 4S uses 16 GB 24 nm MLC Flash Memory (made by Toshiba and/or Sandisk.) Look at Toshiba's website:
THGVX1G7D2GLA08 is in the iPhone4S 16GB.
TH58NVG7D2FLA89 is in the iPad2 is 16GB.

Likewise the RAM is built into the CPU, for all we know the A5X is simply a ram doubled A5.

Remember that photo of a PCB with the A5X? It shows Hynix chips. The Hynix part decoder only lists parts going up to 128Gbit (16GB) (Of which the chip looks like it shows DGB which is 128GB SLC, Quad die, small block, if that even makes sense) Hynix uses technology from Anobit, which Apple bought.

If you scan over news articles, in the last 3 years we've only gone from 64Gbit to 128Gbit chips... like in the last three months. All these news articles only came out after the iPhone 4S, so IMO Apple won't double the storage until the next product generation (eg iPhone 5.)

Very well researched post, and informative. Having said that if apple are interested in moving faster than the competition with a retina display but at the same time cannot ensure adequate storage for the intended purpose of their device (at least what myself and others consider adequate by today's standards) at the prices they are aiming at (because this doesn't seem to be an availability issue but a price/component issue) and are thus seriously compromising a product (or crippling it as is the case with the 16gb model) why should the consumer care? Maybe if they were not so busy trying to sue Samsung to tablet oblivion they could have gotten chips (I am speculating of course and I could be dead wrong) from them.

All in all their current strategy seems to be provide something quicker than the competition but cripple the product just enough as to make people have to buy the next generation as well. Why should the customer enjoy playing this game with their hard earned cash. I am sure the iPhone is going to get the upgraded storage, as I am sure most of their customers are going to suffer with storage issues in this gen. iPad what with the retina display and the increasing capabilities and demands for storage from apps, movies and games.

And why do they think they can pull this off just because of the rampant fanboism associated with their products that's going to run black to white to legitimise most anything?

I have been in the market for an iPad 3 with a retina display, but it's a device I d like to keep for at least a couple of years. But even at 64gbs storage like others mentioned I find it extremely restricting for any extended future usage. Apple are trying to choke the competition with an early release of a retina display, yet don't want to take a hit to their margins and also provide decent storage for it and the customer who's paying their money to them is ending up footing the bill...

If they cannot release something adequate all around just now they might as well wait a month or two, but that might mean Samsung catching up with them with their rumoured 11.6 retina display... Too bad, as a consumer I don't care if they catch up with them or not, I care that when they come out with a product I am buying something that's adequate for my future usage needs and scenarios and not a step forward in terms of display but a horrible anachronistic stagnation in terms of storage. And apple, and no rational person can claim, that what was barely enough for another portable of theirs 4 years ago, the air with 64 gbs of storage, 4 years onwards 1/4 of that storage is their entry level space for another portable device the iPad which maxes out to almost the same storage capacity as a machine that's already 4 years old...

After my disappointment with the way os x is developing I was relying on the iPad to renew my confidence in apple and enjoy a great device. I am still going o make do with a 64gb iPad and I am sure I am going to thoroughly enjoy the retina display but it's sour fruit with the storage, and after more than 10 years of chosing apple, I am very much ready to go for an alternative product as soon as the competition offers it.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

There could be a number of reasons. Since the iPad 3 will allegedly be a bit thicker, and considering Apple's obsession with thinness, that indicates to me that they struggled with fitting all the components in. 128GB is physically larger, takes up more room. Also, if the LTE rumor is true, battery could be an issue. 128GB consumes more battery. And, Apple likes to keep prices the same. 128GB might have been too expensive to keep the prices level. Plus, Apple is trying to pimp iCloud. Maybe they don't want devices with too much storage.

Lots of good points against 128. I'll just offer that I- for one- would be willing to pay MORE than standard prices for that as a fourth- maybe BTO- option. With BTO, they could keep the same 3 price points and make it optional for buyers to pay up for the double.

iCloud is not the answer while AT&T, Verizon, etc are the toll masters between us and it... especially when one thinks through the likely bigger stuff we'll want to store on a "retina" iPad. You can't download one 1080p movie from iCloud to iPad3 over 3G/4G without bumping into the monthly cap... ONE movie. Those kinds of files will need to be synched at home before you go. And if you are going to go for a while, you may want to sync a bunch of movies, which is one typical instance where big(ger) storage would really be handy.

Similarly, if we assume it gets the iPhones4s 1080p video camera, all that 1080p video we shoot will need somewhere to go too. So if we load up even 64GB with movies to watch while getting to/from where we're going, where's that video we may want to shoot while we're there going to go? Uploading it to iCloud has the same problem of having to pay the wireless broadband tollmasters.

Real scenarios like these can start making even 64GB seem small. Of course another option would be to build in a SD card port and then those of us wanting big storage could just add whatever we want. But that won't happen either.

 

[charlituna]

Despite what the rumor makers might have you believe, Apple's pattern is pretty easily predicted. On price they always do one of the following three:

1. Add features, hold price.
2. No new features, reduce price.
3. Add new features, reduce price.

There have been more outliers where they have raised the price. It is rare but it does happen

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So those of us who actually have day jobs are out of luck trying to get one on launch day, huh?

Don't feel bad. Unless they do some kind of reservation, no walkins etc half the folks it line won't get one either

 

[blow45]

@rafterman

Good point about pimping iCloud, which makes it even more irritating since they already tried to pimp lion via the iCloud pulling the unacceptable stunt of disabling iCloud for snow leopard which was perfectly capable of it. A few months onwards and lion has been the buggiest to date os x release after .2, it hasn't even come close to sl adoption, people are downgrading from it and still there's no news as to iCloud support for sl. These kind of practises can alienate and piss even some of their biggest fans off. A bit of a guiding hand to the consumer for tech progress is warranted (ditching optical drives etc.) but bullying (upgrade to lion or you are not getting iCloud, get used to iCloud and enrolled into iTunes match cause we won't be paying up for more storage on the iPad) the customer into what they want should be unacceptable. Apparently the next bullying is update to the next iPhone cause none of your current iOS devices will have enough storage...

 

[charlituna]

Well iPad 1 retailed for £429, iPad 2 retailed ad £399. So there's a price drop right there but then they raised the price of IOS apps in the UK but cut them in Australia.

Point is, in the US the prices stay the same but in the rest of the world they fluctuate. $499 can mean a very different price in Euros, Sterling, AUD

and that is the issue. Apple doesn't reprise daily cause if the various issues. Once a quarter or so they look at the dollar to whatever and reprice accordingly

 

[Tigger11]

There could be a number of reasons. Since the iPad 3 will allegedly be a bit thicker, and considering Apple's obsession with thinness, that indicates to me that they struggled with fitting all the components in. 128GB is physically larger, takes up more room. Also, if the LTE rumor is true, battery could be an issue. 128GB consumes more battery. And, Apple likes to keep prices the same. 128GB might have been too expensive to keep the prices level. Plus, Apple is trying to pimp iCloud. Maybe they don't want devices with too much storage.

They didnt have any trouble fitting components in, its thicker because of the retina display. The iPad (like the iPod touch), uses two parts for its storage, it takes no more space for a 32 GB, 64 GB or even a 128 GB (using two of the chips used in the 1 flash chip 64 GB iPhone), and the power draw for the parts are the same so its not a power issue.

 

[Tigger11]

Also, what I'd like is a 128 gb iPhone so I could get rid of my iPod and that's not going to happen until the iPad has that much space.

Actually it wont happen until the iPad get 256 GB, because the iPhone uses 1 flash chip and the iPad (and iPod Touch) uses 2. Thats why with Apple currently buying 64 GB chips for the iPhone 4S, its fairly interesting that they haven't decided to ship a 128 GB iPad using two of those chips.

 

[macintoshi]

Asus transormer*prime

If the ipad has no card sloth no bluetooth transfer to any device not only apple devices and the ability to install a free flash player and not those unreal virtual ones in the appstore, then ASUS*TRANSFORMER*PRIME*HAVE*MY*MONEY

 

[Tigger11]

I haven't seen anyone make the sensible argument and state that the flash memory sizes are picked for battery life or the NAND manufacturers don't have any.

If you scan over news articles, in the last 3 years we've only gone from 64Gbit to 128Gbit chips... like in the last three months. All these news articles only came out after the iPhone 4S, so IMO Apple won't double the storage until the next product generation (eg iPhone 5.)

You seem to be a little confused. The Ipad and Ipod Touch use two chips for their flash. The iPhone uses a single chip for its flash. Thats why the iPhone trailed the iPod Touch (and Ipad) in space until the introduction of the 4S last fall when the 64 GB iPhone 4S was announced and put out for sale. It is trivial for them to put two of those chips in the Ipad in place of two 32 GB chips and get a 128 GB iPad, now they may not do it, but technically the parts are available, apple is currently buying the parts and apple definitely has the know how to do it.
-Tig

 

[Fandongo]

OCZ has a 1TB SSD coming... granted it's 2.5"

I'm tired of Apple screwing people on the ever-cost-dissolving flash memory.
My 5 year old ipod touch has 16GB, and they sold 32... 5 years ago!!

People who argue that nobody needs more deserve to be publicly tea-bagged.
Streaming/icloud is great, as long as you have reliable wi-fi.

As tech advances so does storage and streaming REQUIREMENTS.
Blu-ray = 1080p = 50GB
iPad 3 = 1.5Kp = One movie is more than the biggest iPad 3 can hold.

Imagine how awful streaming retina content will be... Oh, and good luck paying for it now that unlimited plans have vanished.

If they want to stick with limited memory, add an SD slot.

I can't help but feel that it's all part of the "be the tyrannical moderator of all consumable content" mission statement.

 

[shadowkhas]

As tech advances so does storage and streaming REQUIREMENTS.
Blu-ray = 1080p = 50GB
iPad 3 = 1.5Kp = One movie is more than the biggest iPad 3 can hold.

Please tell me you're joking.

You know what compression is, right?

 

[peterlobl]

I like your laughing avatar, and I hope you maintain your humour in the future cause you are going to need it. Apple has lost it's leader under whose vision and wisdom they managed to put forth what the consumer needs as opposed to pandering to their immediate needs. Jobs vision was hard earned though, and exemplary, that's why people accepted his tight control... now that the drones run the show, if they 've taken up your high horse do no wrong attitude, instead of realising they should adjust to people's requirements, they are in very, very serious trouble.

Ps. Apologies, for consecutive post, thought it would just stick itself underneath.

your posts do skew rather negatively... all to a fault..
lots of anger at not having a 128GB iPad, and even more for Apple releasing a 16GB version.. all the while mentioning how much you'd really like to buy one if only... finished with a dollop of "I'm going to go then buy Samsung 'cause I don't care about branding.."

I do not suspect you are a troll, it sounds more like a p.r. rep from a competitor.

 

[damir00]

Please tell me you're joking.

You know what compression is, right?

BluRay already is highly compressed.

 

[jaytv111]

The way I see it, the iPod touch and iPad are always supposed to be 2x the storage of the iPhone.

iPod touch 1/2 -> 32 GB
iPhone 2G/3G ->16 GB

Then the iPhone 3GS/4->32 GB
iPod touch 3/4->64 GB

iPhone 4S->64 GB
No proper 5th gen iPod touch yet.

BUT, the iPad has never seen an iPhone capacity boost yet. So,

iPhone 3GS/4->32 GB
iPad 1/2-> 64 GB

So now, we should be at this:

iPhone 4S->64 GB
iPad 3->128 GB
iPod touch 5->128 GB

 

[TripHop]

128GB iPad 3 Still Likely - Could Be A Month After Launch

Actually it wont happen until the iPad get 256 GB, because the iPhone uses 1 flash chip and the iPad (and iPod Touch) uses 2. Thats why with Apple currently buying 64 GB chips for the iPhone 4S, its fairly interesting that they haven't decided to ship a 128 GB iPad using two of those chips.

We don't know that at all. I still believe they will offer a 128GB iPad 3. Why should we believe any of the rumors that say otherwise?

The iPhone 4S goes to 64GB. It follows the iPad 3 will go to 128GB. Only reason it might not would be a shortage of 64GB chips. So if Tim doesn't offer it Wednesday, the reason will be shortage of 64GB chips not any price reason.

They already found out 15-25% of the people will pay $100 more for a 64GB iPhone. So they must know some of us - perhaps 10% will pay ANYTHING for a 128GB iPad. I would gladly pay $1099 even $1199 for a 128GB iPad 3. So I believe a much higher price is not an issue for a significant part of the iPad 3 buyers. And I am not a wealthy person at all. Perhaps they'll be shipped a month after pre-orders start so they can gauge how many to make on the line based on pre-order demand. I just think nobody knows what Tim will offer Wednesday and there's no point in believing any rumors that say there won't be a 128GB option.

 

[GoHack]

Apple knows how it's bread is buttered... They will prob release the 128GB in the 4-5 versions, why should they spend more on space? Just because we want it. They're a business

Then the same goes w/my buying, or not buying it as a consumer.

I own the iPad1, and while Apple provided a thinner, and slightly faster iPad2, it was enough to justify my upgrading, and the same goes w/the iPad3 as well, if it doesn't provide enough of a incentive.

While the graphics and a quad core processor, which are still rumors, are nice, but they will take a while to be ultilized, but having that extra storage, or even having a 64 gb, w/an SD slot, is the main thing that I would like to see, and which could be immediately used. Of course more system memory is needed as well. I would imagine the display alone will need more system memory, just to be utilized, 1 gb+, vs. the present 512 mb.

I guess we'll have wait and see next week, at what we will be getting this year, and hope for the best.


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[MacAttacka]

Then the same goes w/my buying, or not buying it as a consumer.

I own the iPad1, and while Apple provided a thinner, and slightly faster iPad2, it was enough to justify my upgrading, and the same goes w/the iPad3 as well, if it doesn't provide enough of a incentive.

While the graphics and a quad core processor, which are still rumors, are nice, but they will take a while to be ultilized, but having that extra storage, or even having a 64 gb, w/an SD slot, is the main thing that I would like to see, and which could be immediately used. Of course more system memory is needed as well. I would imagine the display alone will need more system memory, just to be utilized, 1 gb+, vs. the present 512 mb.

I guess we'll have wait and see next week, at what we will be getting this year, and hope for the best.


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I agree with this too. A lot of sexy features might have limited use but an increased capacity helps everyone immediately. I already fill my 64GB unit with apps, photos and comics. I dont even watch movies on it but come on, where's Moore's law when it comes to capacity. I could care less about the back camera or LTE.

 

[zarusoba]

iPen is due to ship to backers soon (looks like there have been some delays); will be available for sale later. Jaja is due to ship to backers next month. All the details are at the links provided.

Are these available for sale yet? How much? In the uk? Cheers

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My favourite of the "dumb" styluses is the Nomad Compose, but TBH I'm not interested in trying any more sticks.

I think it's absurd that I should have to pair a cutting edge, $500+ tablet with a $20 stick. That's why I'll refrain from buying iPad until I have an active, pressure sensitive stylus in my hand.

I have looked into Stylus's for awhile now and what I find to work best is my homemade one but iFaraday is taking that concept and is polishing it and going to sell it as the iFaraday Cobra. I suggest taking a look at the video on http://www.ifaraday.com/

All the others with plastic discs, springs and attachments just make them difficult to use while you can take a anti-static bag and make one that works better than any of those in a minute. It wont look as pretty but will be miles ahead.

 

[Thesau]

Flash size

I wonder how they concluded that on the discovered logic board, there is 16 Gb of flash memory.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/19/photo-of-ipad-3-logic-board-with-a5x-system-on-a-chip/

If you google the manufacturer (Hynix) and serial no (h2dtdg8ud1myr), you will find this PDF: http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j...sg=AFQjCNEaYBt8HSmsdQVdowlFuubtw8XYCw&cad=rja

Find the serial no, and you will see that the chip actually has 128Gb. The only thing that's not clear to me, is whether that means this logic board has 2x128=256Gb, or that both chips together have 128Gb.

Good news for people hoping for more than 64Gb I would say...

 

[LostSoul80]

I am going to need not one, but a committee of shrinks to help me figure out what the heck you are on about as you are hardly making any sense whatsoever...you claimed that 16gbs space was ample for music, movies and apps and people explained to you that based on storage requirements it's not, and now you claim no one needs movies, music and apps(games) because a tablet is not a means of entertainment? I really do need a committee of shrinks to handle you.

I've never said "ample for music, movies and apps".
People haven't explained to me that's not true either.
I've also never claimed that "a tablet is not a means of entertainment".

Given your inability to understand written statements and to formulate what can even hardly be called argumentation, I recommend a visit to a good shrink.

 

[borgqueenx]

I wonder how they concluded that on the discovered logic board, there is 16 Gb of flash memory.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/19/photo-of-ipad-3-logic-board-with-a5x-system-on-a-chip/

If you google the manufacturer (Hynix) and serial no (h2dtdg8ud1myr), you will find this PDF: http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j...sg=AFQjCNEaYBt8HSmsdQVdowlFuubtw8XYCw&cad=rja

Find the serial no, and you will see that the chip actually has 128Gb. The only thing that's not clear to me, is whether that means this logic board has 2x128=256Gb, or that both chips together have 128Gb.

Good news for people hoping for more than 64Gb I would say...

great find, although a counter argument....search google for hynix h2dtdg8ud1myr and you'l find a ipad 2 teardown.

But indeed. searching your PDF and the serial only gives h2dtdg8ud1myr as 128gb.
But again, Mr. X from 9to5mac who has never been wrong, says it will remain at 64gb max.

EDIT: indeed, its only one serial that gives 128gb. Wich leads to the conclusion that the leaked logic board has a total of 256gb on board. I will not believe that the ipad 3 will get 256gb. cant be true.

 

[jackc]

So they must know some of us - perhaps 10% will pay ANYTHING for a 128GB iPad. I would gladly pay $1099 even $1199 for a 128GB iPad 3. So I believe a much higher price is not an issue for a significant part of the iPad 3 buyers.

Not sure about that, more storage is better but most people (even a significant minority) are not going to be that insensitive to price.