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My my, such anger and indignation!!! :D

But you seem to speak from both sides of your mouth because Amazon's Kindle Fire which you tout "witht its tons of conents" [sic] only has 8GB of storage.

Jobs was the spiritual leader at Apple, but he wasn't the only guy present at the start of the iOS revolution. Apple has one of the finest management teams in the world. The 16/32/64 storage models will sell just fine. The only storm that will be present is the one futher blowing Android tabs closer to the margins' ultimate edge (Samsung admits sales are poor).

The reality is the man and woman on the street don't clutter up their devices with apps they never use or songs or movies they never listen to or watch. Some apps will expand in size b/c of Retina, sure, but we've been here before with the iPhone 4. It's not that significant if you manage your iOS device and developers code efficiently.

Sure 128GB would be great for the 64GB price but obviously Apple couldn't swing that deal w/ suppliers and isn't going add another model (too many already) or jack up the price to the point a iPad costs as much as an Air.

You seem to have a knack at missing other people's points and replying to straw men.

The kindle has 8gb but it's, a. Way cheaper, b. has more integrated content from amazon, and also positions itself as mostly a reader. It's not the convergent post pc device that the iPad is with all the roles and requirements the ipad has to fulfill. My point was that there is competition and they better be careful. I mentioned amazon as competition from the low end and from another very powerful content provider as opposed to google+samsungs competition. How all that seems to have gone over head I don't know, could be the kool aid.

I don't care what delusions you have about fine management teams that constantly eschew errors, but for me apple is a hobby not a religious, hence when logic and common sense, as well as other people's informed ideas here conveince me that they have erred I am willing to accept that they can err...

You convenentially omitted responding argument to argument on specific capacity requirements from average users, but of course you are best friends with the man and woman in the street so we should take your word for it... Until though you reply point by point on specific capacity needs you are not helping yourself seem like you are in the right. The reality is that the man and woman in the street DO clutter up their devices with apps that's why the app store is so successful, and that's why iPhones as well are so successful because I have yet to meet someone who's told me I don't much care for apps, everyone I ve met asks me and tells me I got this or that great app what do you have.

Your iPhone 4 example with retina is again seriously misguided, but that's what happens if you take the apologists hat and defy logic: First of all iPad apps are by definition heavier and more demanding in storage than the iPhone, because iPhone is a smart phone and iPad is a much more capable tablet. Secondly retina on the iPhone meant double resolution but on a 3.5" inch device, not an 9.7", because the latter will have much higher bitmaps to take care off, so no it's not like the iPhone. Thirdly what the heck has efficient coding to do with anything? Can you efficiently code a larger bitmap away?

To come to your last "point", it's a matter of opinion if apple was or wasn't able to get the right prices from suppliers. Surely if they wanted to maintain their margins and not take an infinitesimally small hit compared to their volume of sales then there was not much of a chance to begin with. But in any case no one would have blamed them really if they kept the pricing constant for the first few models with an entry one of 32gb and jacked up the high end a bit.


All in all it's just ludicrous that you ve ended up arguing with me the self evident. That a 16gb model is just a bad joke in terms of capacity, . It was a joke even a year ago. The air from 4 years ago had close to quadruple the storage and the iPad now has much more app content and, arguably, usages than that air ever had. 16gbs of storage won't fit more than 40-50 retina apps, a game or two, 5-6 music albums, 2-3 audiobooks, a few pictures and home made clips, one movie (and not an hd one) (but the man and woman in the street I guess won't be using their cameras...) and it will be close to capacity. I am sure then that the man and woman in the street will be very happy that their device in principle can do so many things but in practise they 'll have to keep swapping content in and out to do anything. We are in 2012 and 16gbs seemed to be too low even for an iPod a few years ago, apple are simply audacious to sell the entry level iPad in this day and age with this capacity.

The iPad seems to be a superb device and I can't wait to buy one but in terms of storage apple has crippled it, and they are their own worst enemies with this.

But sure because apple have the finest management team they can do no wrong and we should abide contrary to all logic and usage requirements.

If indeed the entry model is 16gb I won't of course be suggesting it to anyone, and it will be the iPad 3s biggest downfall, mark my words. There will of course be many people rationalising their 16gb purchase but in time we 'll get to the point of people admitting yeah it's great but with the limited storage I can't use it to do ****.
 
Right, because Apple has been struggling this past decade at filling its coffers because it couldn't meet the need of the avg. consumer's interests and desires. Meanwhile, plenty of other enterprises flounder trying to copy and one-up ever product Apple introduces.

I like your laughing avatar, and I hope you maintain your humour in the future cause you are going to need it. Apple has lost it's leader under whose vision and wisdom they managed to put forth what the consumer needs as opposed to pandering to their immediate needs. Jobs vision was hard earned though, and exemplary, that's why people accepted his tight control... now that the drones run the show, if they 've taken up your high horse do no wrong attitude, instead of realising they should adjust to people's requirements, they are in very, very serious trouble.

Ps. Apologies, for consecutive post, thought it would just stick itself underneath.
 
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128gb would be preferred, but I'm sure I'll survive with 64gb. I don't care if it's 3 or 4g. I'm just getting a prepaid hotspot & going that route. :)
 
This is ridiculous, no one NEEDS 128 GB on an iPad, it may be nice, or desirable, but never, ever, in this dy and age, necessary.

I also got a 32 gb iPad, and have never once needed more than 16gb

Great; another guy who thinks that because HE doesn't need it that nobody else needs it either....
 
It all depends on what you use a tablet for.

16 GB is enough for some music, selected movies and apps. I could argue anyone who uses more than that can't manage its space.

What could one possibly want on a table to need more space than that?
 
It all depends on what you use a tablet for.

16 GB is enough for some music, selected movies and apps. I could argue anyone who uses more than that can't manage its space.

What could one possibly want on a table to need more space than that?
It's actually only about 13-14GB, and considering movies range from 1.5-2GB at 720p, and large games range from 1GB-2GB, you can't fit very many of either on at any one time. Movies you can decide what you want to watch in the near future well enough, but games not so much. Plus, 1080p video will chew up about 200MB a minute.
 
It all depends on what you use a tablet for.

16 GB is enough for some music, selected movies and apps. I could argue anyone who uses more than that can't manage its space.

What could one possibly want on a table to need more space than that?

By selected movies you must mean no more than 4, by music you must mean no more than 4 albums, and by apps you must mean no more than 4 games (1gb each about for decent ones) and 4 apps. Yeah probably you could argue anyone needing more can't manage their space. :rolleyes:

What could one possibly want a tablet to need more space than that? Surely this is the best veiled irony I have ever read,cause taking it litterally just blows my mind away...unbelievable...

I am conveinced by now to downgrade my air to 32gb (would have opted for 16gb but there's os x too) cause what would I possibly need 96gbs more on a device with much less available apps, that doesn't double up as a reader, doesnt triple up as a camera and video recorder, doesn't quadruple up as a gps, and can't be used to show and read comfortably manuals, PDF, reference material, and that doesn't even have a touch screen? I mostly do excels, docs and browsing on the air, what do I need the rest of the storage for? The air is seriously overspecked in terms of storage...
 
By selected movies you must mean no more than 4, by music you must mean no more than 4 albums, and by apps you must mean no more than 4 games (1gb each about for decent ones) and 4 apps. Yeah probably you could argue anyone needing more can't manage their space. :rolleyes:

What could one possibly want a tablet to need more space than that? Surely this is the best veiled irony I have ever read,cause taking it litterally just blows my mind away...unbelievable...

That's the kind of reply I'd expect from a high school student.


No one needs a luxury item such as a tablet if used as a means of entertainment (games, music, movies).
If you think you need all those games, music and movies (or think you need more of them), you should better visit a shrink.
 
Apple knows exactly how much stuff people load onto their iPads. If they aren't increasing capacity, it's because they know there simply isn't a compelling user-driven need to do so.
 
Apple knows exactly how much stuff people load onto their iPads. If they aren't increasing capacity, it's because they know there simply isn't a compelling user-driven need to do so.

I imagine it's entirely a marketing thing. By all accounts, this is going to be a substantial update to the iPad and after 2012 iPad updates will be iterative in nature. 128 year after retina, fjust like 64 in iPhone year after retina.
 
No one needs a luxury item such as a tablet if used as a means of entertainment (games, music, movies).
If you think you need all those games, music and movies (or think you need more of them), you should better visit a shrink.
Let's not play the need game -- it never ends. It's up to an individual to decide what they do and don't need, and if they need a slate for entertainment then so be it.
 
Really tired of Apple's lack of capacity updates, they've gone from capacity leader to behind the crowd.

At least there is expandability with many of the competitors.

I probably wouldn't need beyond 64 gb capacity but more would be nice.
 
I like your laughing avatar, and I hope you maintain your humour in the future cause you are going to need it. Apple has lost it's leader under whose vision and wisdom they managed to put forth what the consumer needs as opposed to pandering to their immediate needs. Jobs vision was hard earned though, and exemplary, that's why people accepted his tight control... now that the drones run the show, if they 've taken up your high horse do no wrong attitude, instead of realising they should adjust to people's requirements, they are in very, very serious trouble.

Ps. Apologies, for consecutive post, thought it would just stick itself underneath.

You list a lot of reasons that you don't want an iPad in your other post, and I have some great news for you. I checked and you don't have to buy one, the law that Apple fans have been pushing to make everyone buy there products hasn't passed yet. So Congrats.

I am also glad to see that we (People who like apple products enough to post on boards like this) will have another asinine argument against apple to read put forth by you (People who hate apple enough to troll on boards like this.) So we can add to the list:

(Whatever spec about whatever product) proves that Apple is effed without Steve.
 
That's the kind of reply I'd expect from a high school student.

No one needs a luxury item such as a tablet if used as a means of entertainment (games, music, movies).
If you think you need all those games, music and movies (or think you need more of them), you should better visit a shrink.
I am going to need not one, but a committee of shrinks to help me figure out what the heck you are on about as you are hardly making any sense whatsoever...you claimed that 16gbs space was ample for music, movies and apps and people explained to you that based on storage requirements it's not, and now you claim no one needs movies, music and apps(games) because a tablet is not a means of entertainment? I really do need a committee of shrinks to handle you.

You list a lot of reasons that you don't want an iPad in your other post, and I have some great news for you. I checked and you don't have to buy one, the law that Apple fans have been pushing to make everyone buy there products hasn't passed yet. So Congrats.

I am also glad to see that we (People who like apple products enough to post on boards like this) will have another asinine argument against apple to read put forth by you (People who hate apple enough to troll on boards like this.) So we can add to the list:

(Whatever spec about whatever product) proves that Apple is effed without Steve.
I am buying an iPad 3 and I would be very happy if the rumours are false and I can get a 128gb one, cause I love it. I listed reasons why such low storage as 16gbs is unacceptable, not why I don't want an iPad. Do you actually read what I am writting? What apple hatred? Are some of up you ever going to discuss someone's arguments on a specific issue or are you just content to speak with whatever projected image you might have of trolls and apple haters? iCaramba indeed....
 
I'll get the WiFi 64 gig, but I was hoping for a WiFi 128 gig.

me too. i really don't understand why they can't even offer the 128. well lets hope they do but this rumor seems pretty solid from other sources. i need a 256 but 128 was a step in the right direction. capacity is the reason i still use a iPod classic daily and i've had to weed out from my media to use it!

people who are against it don't mind picking and choosing. i like you want to take it all with me so i have endless choice
 
me too. i really don't understand why they can't even offer the 128.

There could be a number of reasons. Since the iPad 3 will allegedly be a bit thicker, and considering Apple's obsession with thinness, that indicates to me that they struggled with fitting all the components in. 128GB is physically larger, takes up more room. Also, if the LTE rumor is true, battery could be an issue. 128GB consumes more battery. And, Apple likes to keep prices the same. 128GB might have been too expensive to keep the prices level. Plus, Apple is trying to pimp iCloud. Maybe they don't want devices with too much storage.
 
I am going to need not one, but a committee of shrinks to help me figure out what the heck you are on about as you are hardly making any sense whatsoever...you claimed that 16gbs space was ample for music, movies and apps and people explained to you that based on storage requirements it's not, and now you claim no one needs movies, music and apps(games) because a tablet is not a means of entertainment? I really do need a committee of shrinks to handle you.


I am buying an iPad 3 and I would be very happy if the rumours are false and I can get a 128gb one, cause I love it. I listed reasons why such low storage as 16gbs is unacceptable, not why I don't want an iPad. Do you actually read what I am writting? What apple hatred? Are some of up you ever going to discuss someone's arguments on a specific issue or are you just content to speak with whatever projected image you might have of trolls and apple haters? iCaramba indeed....

Not only did I read your post, but I went back and read many of your other posts on other topics. They are so remarkably consistency. Not only are they consistently argumentative, but also filled with troll bait. And not only did I allow myself to respond to someone with nothing better to do than gin up arguments.

I, like an idiot, picked to respond to one of the best.

I congratulate you on your commitment to your craft. And I have some good news, I have changed my opinion to match yours. On everything.

Enjoy the rest of your trolling. Slow Clap.
 
Applecare+?

It would be great if they would offer something like Applecare+ for the iphone, which will cover accidental damage, water damage, etc. This is an important consideration given the nature of mobile devices.
 
me too. i really don't understand why they can't even offer the 128. well lets hope they do but this rumor seems pretty solid from other sources. i need a 256 but 128 was a step in the right direction. capacity is the reason i still use a iPod classic daily and i've had to weed out from my media to use it!

people who are against it don't mind picking and choosing. i like you want to take it all with me so i have endless choice

I haven't seen anyone make the sensible argument and state that the flash memory sizes are picked for battery life or the NAND manufacturers don't have any. The current iPhone 4S uses 16 GB 24 nm MLC Flash Memory (made by Toshiba and/or Sandisk.) Look at Toshiba's website:
THGVX1G7D2GLA08 is in the iPhone4S 16GB.
TH58NVG7D2FLA89 is in the iPad2 is 16GB.

Likewise the RAM is built into the CPU, for all we know the A5X is simply a ram doubled A5.

Remember that photo of a PCB with the A5X? It shows Hynix chips. The Hynix part decoder only lists parts going up to 128Gbit (16GB) (Of which the chip looks like it shows DGB which is 128GB SLC, Quad die, small block, if that even makes sense) Hynix uses technology from Anobit, which Apple bought.

If you scan over news articles, in the last 3 years we've only gone from 64Gbit to 128Gbit chips... like in the last three months. All these news articles only came out after the iPhone 4S, so IMO Apple won't double the storage until the next product generation (eg iPhone 5.)
 
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It would be great if they would offer something like Applecare+ for the iphone, which will cover accidental damage, water damage, etc. This is an important consideration given the nature of mobile devices.
As of recently, they do. Will cost you whatever they charge + $49 per incident, with up to two incidents.
 
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